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| Elston wrote: | | Hey, Mike Leigh is a genius. Either All or Nothing or Abagail's Party (apparently Very Drake is good too) |
agree ! i've seen Vera Drake and i highly recommend it, and i really liked his last movie too, Happy-Go-Lucky...
this year, from the few British movies I've seen i think that The Damned United and especially An Education were really worth going to a movie theater to see them. |
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| Withnail & I (1986), Wicker Man (1973) and Warriors (1979) are all great films beginning with the letter W |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 20:42 Post subject: |
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There's been lots of incredibly surprising films that have come out, frankly I don't think Casablanca, Gone With the Wind or The Wizard of Oz are it. I dunno, I just find lists like that depressing. Knowing you have to wade through that much crap just to get to something like Chinatown.
Where's Nashville? Cassavetes? Buffalo '66? How bout some more Orson Welles? These movies, along with more obscure directors (Jon Jost), are more interesting than most of what's on there. I think the list is more about the movies that made a splash with people, rather than movies of incredible depth, originality or just being incredibly moving. That's what I don't like about the list, it's pretty far from my own taste, which means it's bad taste (to me of course). I mean, I think if you like a film like Gummo, or The Mirror, you might think that there's no other movies out there like that. But there are quite a few of them. |
The AFI list is fine, but far from any sort of definitive list of the greatest films. Mainly because it only includes American films, and so many of the greatest films aren't American or in English (why an exception was made for Lawrence of Arabia which is unquestionably a British film we'll never know). The 3 films you mention (Casablanca, Gone With the Wind, and The Wizard of Oz) may not be surprising to you now, but their importance in the bigger picture can't be downplayed, and to call them crap, that's just plain wrong. Wizard of Oz in particular is a ballsy surreal and quite scary film for its time and audience. |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 21:05 Post subject: |
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| I'm not calling them crap, but Gone With the Wind & Wizard of Oz especially (both Victor Fleming films *shudder*) are large productions of relatively uninteresting material. Basically big budget films that aren't really that interesting. I mean, I loved the WoZ as a kid, but I just cannot watch it anymore. I thought Gone With the Wind was terrible (aside from the impressive camera work and beautiful costumes) and I'd say Casablanca was the best of them. I mean, I realize these were landmark films when they came out and that that means something to people. To me it means nothing. I like films that are interesting and/or move me. Those ones don't come close. But granted, I can kind of see why some people would be moved by them. I just prefer movies that actually reflect what life is like, or make you look at life in an interesting way. The Magnificent Ambersons, for example, gives you such an intimate and warm look at a family, while also poking fun at how pathetic they are. WoZ in comparison is colorfully trite fantasy. Gone With the Wind again is mere gloss (give me Lawrence of Arabia over that one anyday). That's my problem with AFI list, the movies are impressive aesthetically yet are pretty empty inside. Spielberg gets 5 spots, but Welles only gets 1? Okay, I'm being pretty negative about it. Let me point out that it's actually a pretty good list. I love Singin' in the Rain', I love Chaplin, I love Billy Wilder & Martin Scorsese. I love the Godfather films. But really, 5 Spielberg and 1 Woody Allen? Not even 1 Cassavetes film. Heh, I somehow turned it back into negative again. See, I'm really just a pretentious twat with a chip on his shoulder. |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 21:08 Post subject: |
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| Boogn1sh wrote: | | why an exception was made for Lawrence of Arabia which is unquestionably a British film we'll never know |
The film was made by Horizon Pictures (British) and Columbia Pictures (American).
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I like this animated films:
Allegro Non Troppo
Yellow Submarine
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| RFNAPLES wrote: | | Boogn1sh wrote: | | why an exception was made for Lawrence of Arabia which is unquestionably a British film we'll never know |
The film was made by Horizon Pictures (British) and Columbia Pictures (American). |
I understand why it was eligible, but c'mon a film about a British officer directed by David Lean (a brit) produced by an Austrian through a British company from a British script, with a British cinematographer and composer, starring the very Irish Peter O'Toole. I understand our desire to claim it, its a fantastic film, but there's almost nothing American about it but some money that was thrown down.
Elston, I gotta admit I'm kind of playing devil's advocate cause I'm usually the pretentious twat saying how much I hate main stream films  I agree that Gone with the Wind is about as boring as it gets. Spielberg is indeed WAY over represented in the list. I was mainly trying to point out that many of the greatest films aren't American or in English. Speaking of Welles how bout the opening to Touch of Evil, about as epic and badass as anything ever filmed... |
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| Boogn1sh wrote: | | Elston, I gotta admit I'm kind of playing devil's advocate cause I'm usually the pretentious twat saying how much I hate main stream films I agree that Gone with the Wind is about as boring as it gets. Spielberg is indeed WAY over represented in the list. I was mainly trying to point out that many of the greatest films aren't American or in English. Speaking of Welles how bout the opening to Touch of Evil, about as epic and badass as anything ever filmed... |
Totally. And how bout F for Fake? It's like...an avant-garde Orson Welles documentary. He is so strange, but always seems to make it work gracefully. As for not all the greatest films being English, that's very true. Many of the 'greatest' films came out of Europe, which makes sense considering how rich their cultural legacy is. But still, on the whole I generally prefer American (or British) films. One big plus is that you can sit back and watch the film without having to read subtitles, two is that, well, that's OUR culture! Those films are easier to relate to even if most of them are junk. But it's true. You find so many of the greatest films from foreign language - Godard, Bunuel, Tarkovsky, Bergman, Tsai Ming-Liang, Kiarostami etc. |
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North By Northwest
Clue (1985)
Donnie Darko
Brick
The Interview (aussie film)
Sin City
Harvey (Jimmy Stewart)
The Truman Show
Young Frankenstein
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Apu Trilogy: Pather Panchali, Aparajito and Apur Sansar
Local Hero, Gregory's Girl and anything else by Bill Forsyth
The Man Who Would Be King
The Right Stuff
The Hustler
One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest
Being there
Dazed and Confused
Heathers
Mean Girls
Salaam Bombay!
Pixote: A Lei do Mais Fraco
Ghost World
Mountains of the Moon
Fitzcarraldo
Harold and Maude
The Pope of Greenwich Village
Mean Streets
Repo Man
The Straight Story
Miller's Crossing
Stranger than Paradise
After Hours
Rushmore
Pecker
Igby Goes Down
The Legend of 1900
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i haven't seen much from your list but i guess if the two movies above are in, it has to be a good one ! the lastest movie of Wes Anderson is really good too (Fantastic Mr. Fox), isn't it ? |
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| Elston wrote: | | Hey, Mike Leigh is a genius. Either All or Nothing or Abagail's Party (apparently Very Drake is good too) |
Indeed, a lot of old british films were very good because they were diverse and original, but now it's the same old crap, costume drama or quaint rom-com starring Hugh Grant, Colin Firth, Judi Dench, Helen Mirren etc. Where are the Wicker man's of our time?
...and don't get me started on Keira Knightly. All very nice to look at, until she smiles, then she reminds me of one of Ridley Scott's aliens when it's about to shoot that toothy cock out of it's mouth- her lips peel back over the toothsome horror of her face, and I half expect her to start hissing like like on of those beasties and the aforementioned shaft to protrude from her skeletal physog!
And no matter what she does,it's impossible to care about her character.
rant over. Carry on. |
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District 9
Children of Men
No Country for Old Men
No Country in District 9 for Children of Old Men - producer Harvos
are a couple of my favorite.... if Harvos was around they'd be in his favorite too |
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| I've always been a big fan of Big Fan |
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The Royal Tenenbaums
True Romance (One of the most intense/funny scenes of all time)
Casablanca
The Godfather I/II
Pulp Fiction
Collateral (cant explain, just a soft spot)
Schindler's List
Wall E
No Country for old Men
American History X
A Clockwork Orange
Full Metal Jacket
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