I think that a lot of people misuse the term misogyny and I would like to see some specific examples of lyrics that people think are misogynistic. The Lamar, Gibbs, and Weezer stuff isn't really, while the Dre and Snoop examples are.
I think that a lot of people misuse the term misogyny and I would like to see some specific examples of lyrics that people think are misogynistic. The Lamar, Gibbs, and Weezer stuff isn't really, while the Dre and Snoop examples are.
When I mentioned weezer I was thinking of crab from the green album. Never heard pinkerton yet.
I think that a lot of people misuse the term misogyny and I would like to see some specific examples of lyrics that people think are misogynistic. The Lamar, Gibbs, and Weezer stuff isn't really, while the Dre and Snoop examples are.
I don't want to get into an argument over what is and isn't misogynistic, as it's something that's at least moderately subjective. But "I like my bitches mixed breeds" or much of "Shame" could be construed as such when taken out of context or if you're being fairly loose with the term. Kendrick is harder because it's more the way Sherane is used as a storytelling device that makes it problematic, although looking back that was a bad example. Weezer I completely agree isn't. _________________ And it's hard to be a human being. And it's harder as anything else.
I don't want to get into an argument over what is and isn't misogynistic, as it's something that's at least moderately subjective. But "I like my bitches mixed breeds" or much of "Shame" could be construed as such when taken out of context or if you're being fairly loose with the term. Kendrick is harder because it's more the way Sherane is used as a storytelling device that makes it problematic, although looking back that was a bad example. Weezer I completely agree isn't.
lol _________________ 2021 in full effect. Come drop me some recs. Y'all know what I like.
Mysogny is prevelant across all genres, and there are a good number of female singers/pop stars who often sing written-by-committee misogynistic songsthat suggest their sexuality is for the taking, just like some male singers(yes, not just hip hop emcees but also ... boys too) are oft to do. It's a far-reaching problem and trying to single out one genre as the root of all evil does no favors. People like to single out hip-hop, has anybody heard some of these country hits? It often suggests, "patriotically" of course, that women are nothing more than walking bras. It's much more of a across-all-spectrums cultural and social problem than a specific music/industry problem.[/url]
Mysogny is prevelant across all genres, and there are a good number of female singers/pop stars who often sing written-by-committee misogynistic songsthat suggest their sexuality is for the taking, just like some male singers(yes, not just hip hop emcees but also ... boys too) are oft to do. It's a far-reaching problem and trying to single out one genre as the root of all evil does no favors. People like to single out hip-hop, has anybody heard some of these country hits? It often suggests, "patriotically" of course, that women are nothing more than walking bras. It's much more of a across-all-spectrums cultural and social problem than a specific music/industry problem.[/url]
Everybody knows this though. And you are the first person to say root of all evil regarding hip hop. The thread has been mainly about music lyrics. Apart from what I or anyone else on here thinks, it appears that the general consensus online and from my peers is that it is more predominant in hip hop lyrics than other genres. If you want to widen the topic, I do think misogyny is an area that is probably getting worse in society and the main worry I have is that this is probably down to the highly misogynist hardcore porn widely available online and the soft core porn used to sell pop music. These I'm sure are more of a threat to shaping young people's attitudes to women.
They can say it's "mostly" in hip-hop, but that's bullshit. It's everywhere across the music spectrum in high frequency. Yes, as Skinny put it, hip-hop lyrics tend to be more direct and forceful, especially about social and cultural issues, so there's less guise to perhaps the misogynistic happenings or even the artist's own intentions in some of the hip-hop songs out there. But that's not saying that when it's frequently hidden in either a female voice or a good-time ol' country-boy anthem that those song's misogyny is any less prevelant- the latter just tend to veil (and perhaps deny and play coy about) it a lot more.
Singling out one scapegoat to try and make an example of the subject and without facts backing it up saying it's the biggest offender does nothing to get to the root of the issue, and for many it's more than a bit culturally and racially offensive to automatically, as many pundits have done in the past, attack hip-hop as the biggest cause of a particular social problem. Now Im not trying to stir up flame bait and fire up a racially-charged discussion here, but I wanna just get it out there that misogyny can be wrapped up in a seemingly harmless package or even, as a lot of producers and industry songwriters are seeming to do these days, have women themselves often sing and promote blatantly misogynistic songs, and it's every bit as bad and every bit as rife in the music (and real, outside) world as when it's spoken through a less-coy, more direct medium.
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