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| #61 | Posted: 03/08/2012 22:41 | Post subject: |
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| RFNAPLES wrote: | | The original image makes no comparison of the Nazi Party to the Democrat Party but suggests that ObamaCare bridges the GAP. In other words, it recognizes that the two are not the same. |
Bridging the gap suggests a bridge is being built and that progression is being made towards that end, suggesting that Obama will soon become a genocidal dictator of a fascist hellhole.
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| #63 | Posted: 03/09/2012 01:45 | Post subject: |
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Naples - if you post youtube clips and political cartoons that espouse a certain message, you can't backtrack when others challenge you on it. If you post it, and don't agree with it, say so. Otherwise, posting is endorsing. Many of the things you post allege pretty awful things. It's one thing to criticize for what is real. It's another to claim something outrageous or salacious. Don't retreat behind semantics when you get corrected. Stand by your opinions, or stop throwing out offensive postings.  |
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| #65 | Posted: 03/09/2012 04:31 | Post subject: |
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| RFNAPLES wrote: | | Sorry if you wish to read into the image. I view ObamaCare as a bridge towards socialism. Is that clear? |
No problem with that. You can say that all you like.  There's loads of socialists to compare Obama to that didn't start a war or murder millions.
That said, it's a long bridge from where the US is under Obama to proper socialism. To get there, you'd have to pass Canada. Introducing a watered down version of public health insurance is a long way from proper healthcare, and even further from socialism. I could just as easily argue that the Post Office or fire department is a bridge to socialism.
And besides... Since when is socialism horrible? It's not like the Finns and Swedes are drowning in debt and burdened by a freedom-hating oppressive government... Even Canada has less debt per-capita than the USA, and I think we enjoy as much, if not more freedom here (re: Patriot Act). I understand the debt is a huge problem in the USA... there are many ways to make a dent. |
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| #66 | Posted: 03/11/2012 04:06 | Post subject: |
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Sweden isn't socialist. I grew up there and anyone who knows much about the country would happily testify that they have come to the same conclusion. The whole socialism argument used by too large a part of the right-wing voters of the US is nothing but a (hardly noticably) modernized version of McCarthy's old communism argumentation where actions such as questioning lynching of negroes, wearing hair past your collar, or finding enjoyment in a French movie were clearly not just unpatriotic but an open invitation to the Soviet Union.
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| #68 | Posted: 03/12/2012 11:14 | Post subject: |
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"50% of UK Nursing Home Patients Abused By Government Health Care"
Except that quote doesn't actually appear in the article does it?
Besides I thought the debate was about healthcare not adult social care (which I believe is already catered for by medicare?).
Adult social care in the UK is carried out both by the public and private sector depending on whom the local authorites choose to do the work. There have been scandals in both sectors in recent years and with an aging population it is a serious problem but not one exclusive to the public sector.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011...ent-review
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| #69 | Posted: 03/12/2012 19:36 | Post subject: |
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| Least we aren't nearly bankrupted if we need an operation. |
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| #70 | Posted: 03/13/2012 00:38 | Post subject: |
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| HigherThanTheSun wrote: | "50% of UK Nursing Home Patients Abused By Government Health Care"
Except that quote doesn't actually appear in the article does it? |
Not to mention, that status is just kinda... vague. Thanks to ridiculous sensationalism over the years, terms such as "abuse" can now mean everything from "systematic genocide" to "they don't have enough pudding". And how do they even GET these statistics? Is it based off their own observations (from which they could interpet pretty much anything the felt like as abuse) or are they asking patients in such centers - patients who, in any country, are often senile, neglected by their families and generally bitter about being there.
On top of that, what makes you think nursing home patients in the US aren't being "abused"?
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