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Re: An English-speaking all-time chart as always

Facetious — Tue, 22 May 2012 07:06:02 GMT

Author: Facetious

Posted: 05/22/2012 11:06

an_outlaw wrote:

Bringing this back in the hope that this user who has posted 10-20 charts over the last few years comes back to explain what they are doing.

I thought they were giving up but then we had this thread and now even more charts by them. Show yourself already!

😕

❓ Care to explain?

Re: An English-speaking all-time chart as always

albummaster — Tue, 22 May 2012 03:40:02 GMT

Author: albummaster

Posted: 05/22/2012 07:40

I've just twigged what you are referring to... 😉

Re: An English-speaking all-time chart as always

Anonymous — Mon, 21 May 2012 11:10:26 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 05/21/2012 15:10

Bringing this back in the hope that this user who has posted 10-20 charts over the last few years comes back to explain what they are doing.

I thought they were giving up but then we had this thread and now even more charts by them. Show yourself already!

Re: An English-speaking all-time chart as always

Error Finn — Tue, 8 May 2012 05:59:25 GMT

Author: Error Finn

Posted: 05/08/2012 09:59

harkan wrote:

Anyone notice this user has made one statement and everyone else is arguing?

Yes. I look forward to the second argument on the subject. 😉

Re: An English-speaking all-time chart as always

videoheadcleaner — Tue, 8 May 2012 05:54:13 GMT

Author: videoheadcleaner

Posted: 05/08/2012 09:54

Karol Spenner wrote:

And boring as usual. How about Edith Piaf, Can, Amalia Rodrigues? Never heard, I suppose...

Anyone notice this user has made one statement and everyone else is arguing?

Re: An English-speaking all-time chart as always

Error Finn — Tue, 8 May 2012 03:53:08 GMT

Author: Error Finn

Posted: 05/08/2012 07:53

Norman Bates wrote:

Well, it's interesting I think.

As far as Regina is concerned, I think bossa nova was introduced in the English-speaking world (mainly the USA) in the 60s, but most notably as a vehicle for American pop singers (I'm thinking about the Sinatra/Jobim LP), or if the singers sang partly in English (Astrud Gilberto). I don't think that Portuguese-only bossa singers were very successful.

I realize I'm basing this on very few examples, it's just a theory, I'm probably completely wrong.

You are not wrong in relation to bossa nova. Bossa Nova was a popular music from around the world shortly before the "beatleboom" happened. Even in Finland, was recorded bossanova. Only a few could do it well ... I heard some claim that composed by Antonio Carlos Jobim songs played on the radio would be the second highest, only Lennon-McCartney above! Who believes .. bossa nova is fairly relaxed, and intuitive. Friendship with jazz popularized them all. The Girl from Ipanema / Garota de Ipanema is famous in both languages, fortunately.

Re: An English-speaking all-time chart as always

Norman Bates — Sun, 6 May 2012 17:51:29 GMT

Author: Norman Bates

Posted: 05/06/2012 21:51

Hayden wrote:

I like how this guy has only posted once, and has caused a giant argument with a sentence. :lol:

Re: An English-speaking all-time chart as always

Hayden — Sun, 6 May 2012 16:43:31 GMT

Author: Hayden

Posted: 05/06/2012 20:43

I like how this guy has only posted once, and has caused a giant argument with a sentence. 🤣

Re: An English-speaking all-time chart as always

Error Finn — Sun, 6 May 2012 16:32:12 GMT

Author: Error Finn

Posted: 05/06/2012 20:32

gussteivi wrote:

Based on your arguments one can indeed understand that she isn't in, say, the top 200 or even 300, but to go from that to the reality that is that only three charts feature an Amalia Rodrigues album is quite a leap.

Because as you said yourself, she is Portugal's best known singer, and quite "archetypical".

And I'm glad you like her music too :)

On November 27, 2011, Fado was inscribed in the UNESCO Intangible Cultural Heritage Lists
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How about Elis Regina? Regina is widely regarded as the best Brazilian singer of all times by many critics, musicians, and commentators. Did she sing in languages other than its own - the Portuguese language? I like her style of singing so much!

Re: An English-speaking all-time chart as always

alelsupreme — Sun, 6 May 2012 14:54:31 GMT

Author: alelsupreme

Posted: 05/06/2012 18:54

artists pre 50's just aren't that known on here, with obvious exceptions (Robert Johnson, Frank Sinatra)

Re: An English-speaking all-time chart as always

Anonymous — Sun, 6 May 2012 14:33:16 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 05/06/2012 18:33

Did Kate Bush ever sing in anything but English? 😕 I think she did on a b-side once or twice. I suppose that is why she appears on so many charts because the people posting them are ignorant of non-english singers... although maybe it is just because she is one of the greatest singers ever.

Yeah, I'll go with the last one. 😄

Re: An English-speaking all-time chart as always

gussteivi — Sun, 6 May 2012 14:15:16 GMT

Author: gussteivi

Posted: 05/06/2012 18:15

Norman Bates wrote:

I can think of these reasons :

- Amalia Rodrigues did not sing in English (not enough, e.g.: Sigur Ros)
- She sang at a time when albums were not the industry canon (not enough, e.g.: Robert Johnson)
- Compilations by non-English speaking old artists did not hit the English-speaking world in a big way (probably not enough, can't think of an example)
- Fado was never introduced into popular American music (unlike bossa nova, for instance)

When you put all these together; it seems to me Rodrigues stands a better chance of being generally unknown than known. By the way, I'm no specialist either. I own one compilation (that I bought in Lisbon, at Amalia Record Store, just saying cause I have particular tenderness for this CD).

Re: An English-speaking all-time chart as always

Norman Bates — Sun, 6 May 2012 13:56:31 GMT

Author: Norman Bates

Posted: 05/06/2012 17:56

gussteivi wrote:

So why is it then that Amalia Rodrigues is completely unknown to pretty much everyone (notice I said "pretty much everybody", not everybody) here?

Re: An English-speaking all-time chart as always

gussteivi — Sun, 6 May 2012 13:53:09 GMT

Author: gussteivi

Posted: 05/06/2012 17:53

purple wrote:

notice how you actually said "pretty much everyone"

🫢
I've never been so ashamed in my life.

Re: An English-speaking all-time chart as always

Anonymous — Sun, 6 May 2012 13:49:12 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 05/06/2012 17:49

gussteivi wrote:

So why is it then that Amalia Rodrigues is completely unknown to pretty much everyone (notice I said "pretty much everybody", not everybody) here?

notice how you actually said "pretty much everyone"

Re: An English-speaking all-time chart as always

gussteivi — Sun, 6 May 2012 13:40:26 GMT

Author: gussteivi

Posted: 05/06/2012 17:40

Norman Bates wrote:

I said "not much", not zero.

Something I've noticed the few times I've tried to have a discussion with you is that you always very quickly leave the actual topic of discussion and go into semantics or technicalities.

You said people don't really want to put compilations on their charts and I provided an example of an extremely popular greatest hits album by an artist who just like Amalia Rodrigues could be considered "world".

True, he is english-speaking, but then we have the Sigur Ros- example mentioned here which disproves the theory that it would be impossible to become a top ranked artist if you don't sing in english.

So why is it then that Amalia Rodrigues is completely unknown to pretty much everyone (notice I said "pretty much everybody", not everybody) here?

My own theory is that if a music artist doesn't feature in either RS 500, Pitchfork or Scaruffi's site, it's like they don't exist, not only to the general english-speaking public, but to almost all the self-proclaimed music-experts on this site.

Btw, I do not claim to be an expert on fado in any way.

Re: An English-speaking all-time chart as always

Mother Nature's Son — Sun, 6 May 2012 09:39:42 GMT

Author: Mother Nature's Son

Posted: 05/06/2012 13:39

kidamnesiac wrote:

it's ok i think i am really just mad that i burned my finger

Just realized you have () at no. 6! No wonder if you did remember them.

Re: An English-speaking all-time chart as always

Norman Bates — Sun, 6 May 2012 09:35:29 GMT

Author: Norman Bates

Posted: 05/06/2012 13:35

gussteivi wrote:

But the "we don't get much compilations in charts around here" argument doesnt really stand up: Bob Marley's "Legend" appears on 131 charts.

I said "not much", not zero.

Re: An English-speaking all-time chart as always

kidamnesiac — Sun, 6 May 2012 09:24:26 GMT

Author: kidamnesiac

Posted: 05/06/2012 13:24

it's ok i think i am really just mad that i burned my finger

Re: An English-speaking all-time chart as always

Mother Nature's Son — Sun, 6 May 2012 09:05:53 GMT

Author: Mother Nature's Son

Posted: 05/06/2012 13:05

kidamnesiac wrote:

i was going to, but i didn't want to fuck up the crapness of the thread.

So I just fucked up the crapness? Doh 🤡 🧱 !