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Re: Opinions of Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

pearljammer13 — Sat, 28 Jul 2012 06:34:11 GMT

Author: pearljammer13

Posted: 07/28/2012 10:34

Hayden wrote:

Meh. Not 100% true. The Velvet Underground are in there, and they never got on any 'charts' or anything. Nor did they get much radioplay.

And, personally, I've never even heard a song by The Platters, LaVern Baker, Jimmy Reed, Sam & Dave, Duene Eddy, Little Willie John, The Rascals, Lloyd Price, Gene Vincent, The Moonglows, Ritchie Valens, Brenda Lee, The Dells, Little Anthony and the Imperials, The Hollies, Darlene Love, The Blue Caps, Donovan, Famous Flames, Small Faces or The Midnighters.

There all in it. 😐

Anyone have an artist I should check out first?

EDIT: OH SHIT. The Pretenders are in it? 🧱 🧱 ](*,)

I've never heard most of these artists either, but I thought I'd point out that if you've listened to Jack White's new album then you actually have heard a song by Little Willie John. I'm Shakin' is a Little Willie John Cover.

Re: Opinions of Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

alelsupreme — Sat, 28 Jul 2012 06:13:10 GMT

Author: alelsupreme

Posted: 07/28/2012 10:13

I like the hall as it is, all forms of music included. Well, apart from avant garde and classical but i can live with that.

Keeping out mingus and coltrane is silly, they'd work fine for the influences section.

Re: Opinions of Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

Bork — Fri, 27 Jul 2012 21:02:24 GMT

Author: Bork

Posted: 07/28/2012 01:02

Hayden wrote:

I love Miles. Just to be clear. 😜 But it should just be rock 🫢 & Soul is ok too I guess.

Elaborate on how fusion is part of rock? :-k

It's a sliding scale I guess, but this is definitely fusion and definitely rock:

Link

I too think Miles is a stretch though.

Re: Opinions of Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

Hayden — Fri, 27 Jul 2012 20:45:49 GMT

Author: Hayden

Posted: 07/28/2012 00:45

Romanelli wrote:

Miles should be in. Fusion is a part of rock (even if not a lot of people listen to it), and Miles Davis was a big part of that. More so than Mingus & Coltrane.

I love Miles. Just to be clear. 😜 But it should just be rock 🫢 & Soul is ok too I guess.

Elaborate on how fusion is part of rock? 🤔

Re: Opinions of Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

musicmanstu — Fri, 27 Jul 2012 20:18:32 GMT

Author: musicmanstu

Posted: 07/28/2012 00:18

The Everly Brothers, Ritchie Valens, Dion and the Belmonts, etc, deserve to be inn They are pioneers. Velvet Underground with Lou Reed are very well known. These are recognizable people.

Re: Opinions of Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

Romanelli — Fri, 27 Jul 2012 18:31:14 GMT

Author: Romanelli

Posted: 07/27/2012 22:31

Hayden wrote:

I'm not blaming them for that 🤣 But, I'm just trying to say that in the entire history of rock music, these are the acts that get chosen.

Considering Miles is in it, shouldn't Mingus & Coltrane? They were of the same stature.

Sorry if I'm going overboard, but this entire thing is a really big pet peeve for me :oops:

If you haven't heard any of the artists you mentioned, you really probably should. What happened in the '50's and 60's was very important in the evolution of the music you listen to today, and it shouldn't be forgotten. Or ignored. I don't agree with a lot of what the R&R HOF does, but ast least they have gotten a lot of the pioneers in.

Miles should be in. Fusion is a part of rock (even if not a lot of people listen to it), and Miles Davis was a big part of that. More so than Mingus & Coltrane.

Re: Opinions of Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

Hayden — Fri, 27 Jul 2012 18:03:12 GMT

Author: Hayden

Posted: 07/27/2012 22:03

Bork wrote:

No offense (well, no big offense) but you can't really blame the HOF that you haven't heard those artists. They're not, for the most part, exactly unknown.

Re: Opinions of Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

fellow — Fri, 27 Jul 2012 17:11:25 GMT

Author: fellow

Posted: 07/27/2012 21:11

Wait. What's wrong with the pretenders?

Re: Opinions of Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

Bork — Fri, 27 Jul 2012 16:54:19 GMT

Author: Bork

Posted: 07/27/2012 20:54

Hayden wrote:

No offense (well, no big offense) but you can't really blame the HOF that you haven't heard those artists. They're not, for the most part, exactly unknown.

Re: Opinions of Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

Anonymous — Fri, 27 Jul 2012 16:04:18 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 07/27/2012 20:04

I kind of assume the hall of fame will suck and that way when something good does get in, its something to be happy about. Anyways, what can we do, it caters mostly to the classic rock/rolling stone version of rock history. Its a hall of "fame" not a hall of "quality" unfortunately.

Not quite the same thing, but I find the United States national recording registry kind of more varied, accepting and interesting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Recording_Registry

Re: Opinions of Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

alelsupreme — Fri, 27 Jul 2012 15:52:52 GMT

Author: alelsupreme

Posted: 07/27/2012 19:52

You won't have heard a song by The Famous Flames, but you will of heard a song by the guy who they played for, James Brown.

Re: Opinions of Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

Hayden — Fri, 27 Jul 2012 15:47:55 GMT

Author: Hayden

Posted: 07/27/2012 19:47

musicmanstu wrote:

Well keep in mind accolades and accomplishment are prerequisites to any HOF. So the underground scene you speak of will not get in or be recognized. Just sayin'....

Re: Opinions of Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

musicmanstu — Fri, 27 Jul 2012 15:45:37 GMT

Author: musicmanstu

Posted: 07/27/2012 19:45

I'm ok with Tom Petty and Rod Stewart being in there. But the Pretenders??? Come on...

Re: Opinions of Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

alelsupreme — Fri, 27 Jul 2012 15:43:23 GMT

Author: alelsupreme

Posted: 07/27/2012 19:43

Anyway Joy Division isn't that obscure, not in Britain at least.

It's all about who's the most influential and innovative (in practise, sometimes it seems more like who Jann Wenner and the rest of the induction board like the most)

Re: Opinions of Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

musicmanstu — Fri, 27 Jul 2012 15:40:29 GMT

Author: musicmanstu

Posted: 07/27/2012 19:40

Well keep in mind accolades and accomplishment are prerequisites to any HOF. So the underground scene you speak of will not get in or be recognized. Just sayin'....

Re: Opinions of Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

alelsupreme — Fri, 27 Jul 2012 15:39:42 GMT

Author: alelsupreme

Posted: 07/27/2012 19:39

Radiohead aren't eligible. and in regards to Miles Davis, well shit they've inducted country, motown, soul... omitting Miles would be silly. It's not really a rock museum, more contemporary music (if that makes sense)

Re: Opinions of Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

Hayden — Fri, 27 Jul 2012 15:28:10 GMT

Author: Hayden

Posted: 07/27/2012 19:28

musicmanstu wrote:

It's a complete waste of time. How bands like Deep Purple, Judas Priest, Rush, Thin Lizzy, Kiss, etc... can be ignored is just a disgrace. Similar to the mindset of Rolling Stone magazine (which is the last music mag I would buy), its very clicky and thinks Run DMC, the Beastie Boys, and Jackson Browne should be in before the legends I mentioned. I love Springsteen, but he couldwipe his ass all over a copy of RS, or piss all over the HOF and they would still worship him. Maybe tbose ancient dope smoking hippies should get out of there, so the bands that really inspired people to pick up a guitar can get in.

Well. I agree with most of this if you got rid of Thin Lizzy, Kiss, Deep Purple & Judas Priest in the first line.

I actually think it's an insult to the history of rock music. It completely ignores underground music. (or what most of society thinks is 'obscure'). Joy Division, Arcade Fire, Sonic Youth & Radiohead, etc...At least the Talking Heads are in it, which is surprising.

There's only few good artists in the inductees right now. Tom Waits being a recent one. Miles Davis shouldn't be there, for he isn't rock. 🙄 Same with Run-DMC. Madonna is fucking in it 🧱 Bonnie Raitt, Tom Petty, Rod Stewert, Ruth Brown & Dion 🙄 ugh. Like, WTF? 🤡

They should just tear down the entire think and forget it existed.

Re: Opinions of Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

musicmanstu — Fri, 27 Jul 2012 15:04:02 GMT

Author: musicmanstu

Posted: 07/27/2012 19:04

It's a complete waste of time. How bands like Deep Purple, Judas Priest, Rush, Thin Lizzy, Kiss, etc... can be ignored is just a disgrace. Similar to the mindset of Rolling Stone magazine (which is the last music mag I would buy), its very clicky and thinks Run DMC, the Beastie Boys, and Jackson Browne should be in before the legends I mentioned. I love Springsteen, but he could wipe his ass all over a copy of RS, or piss all over the HOF and they would still worship him. Maybe tbose ancient dope smoking hippies should get out of there, so the bands that really inspired people to pick up a guitar can get in.

Re: Opinions of Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

Anonymous — Tue, 15 Nov 2011 17:11:32 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 11/15/2011 22:11

After I've gone through all the inductees, I've realized that there's not a single krautrock band in this hall. Strange, as krautrock was one of the most innovative and influental movements in the history of rock music. At least Kraftwerk (and maybe Can) deserves to be among the inductees.

They don't seem to be very friendly to progresive rock either.

Re: Opinions of Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

alelsupreme — Tue, 15 Nov 2011 12:07:16 GMT

Author: alelsupreme

Posted: 11/15/2011 17:07

Never been, would like to.

I think they're doing a pretty good job on the inductees, though there are some truly baffling exclusions such as Deep Purple, Kraftwerk and Joy Division.