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Re: The Biggest Sell-Outs

Anonymous — Fri, 16 Nov 2012 19:51:57 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 11/17/2012 00:51

I think there's some unknowledge (gimme a break, I'm drinking) here about what "selling out" might be. It's an overused term that often doesn't apply to groups that many people think it applies to. Bands are almost always making music that they want to play (e.g. Metallica and (as much as I hate them (look at that bracketing!)) Green Day). Whereas some groups are meant to be commercial upon release (e.g. KISS (though Animalize is the greatest record of the past three decades (more awesome bracketing!)) and Crazy Town). What I'm trying to say is: (1) often groups sell out before they even release a record; (2) groups that move to big labels (e.g. Sonic Youth and Nirvana) simply see a larger record label as a larger platform on which to allow more people to listen to their music; and (3) groups that change their sound to something "more mainstream" or "different" evolve their sound based on personal preference, rather than sales.

BTW, I don't think Metallica has released a poor album, sans Load and Death Magnetic... and even those aren't that bad

Re: The Biggest Sell-Outs

Anonymous — Fri, 16 Nov 2012 19:49:13 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 11/17/2012 00:49

It can be argued that Bruce Springsteen sold out with Born in the U.S.A. Especially coming right after Nebraska.

Re: The Biggest Sell-Outs

pearljammer13 — Fri, 16 Nov 2012 19:46:54 GMT

Author: pearljammer13

Posted: 11/17/2012 00:46

It's often tough to decipher between a bands sound simply evolving and a band selling out for the $$. I stand by my Sugar Ray and Goo Goo Dolls post from the beginning of the thread.

Re: The Biggest Sell-Outs

Anonymous — Fri, 16 Nov 2012 19:25:21 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 11/17/2012 00:25

I think it would be safe to say that Weezer and Green Day sold out, but they never had as many album sales as their early days so is it really selling out? Ehh, whatever.

Re: The Biggest Sell-Outs

Anonymous — Fri, 16 Nov 2012 19:00:52 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 11/17/2012 00:00

thejoj96 wrote:

Once upon a time there were the years 1991, 1996, 1997, 2003, 2008, and 2011.

I'll agree that their slow ballad stuff kinda suck - Nothing Else Matters, The Unforgiven, wtf? But as long as they're fast, they're amazing. And really, no joking, this is amazing:

Link

Re: The Biggest Sell-Outs

Jasonconfused — Fri, 16 Nov 2012 18:56:38 GMT

Author: Jasonconfused

Posted: 11/16/2012 23:56

Borve Baunehoj wrote:

Metallica are awesome whatever they do, they can't write bad music, fact

St. Anger. Your argument is now invalid.

Re: The Biggest Sell-Outs

Anonymous — Fri, 16 Nov 2012 18:54:12 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 11/16/2012 23:54

Borve Baunehoj wrote:

Metallica are awesome whatever they do, they can't write bad music, fact

Once upon a time there were the years 1991, 1996, 1997, 2003, 2008, and 2011.

Re: The Biggest Sell-Outs

Anonymous — Fri, 16 Nov 2012 18:50:56 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 11/16/2012 23:50

Metallica are awesome whatever they do, they can't write bad music, fact

Re: The Biggest Sell-Outs

Necharsian — Fri, 16 Nov 2012 18:45:03 GMT

Author: Necharsian

Posted: 11/16/2012 23:45

Jasonconfused wrote:

Hmm.. I disagree. Some of the musical changes that bands go through to become popular are undeniable. Metallica absolutely sold out with The Black Album. It was still an incredible album, but the fact remains the same.

I suppose my problem lies with the "band changes their sound" + "band's new sound is popular" = "Sell outs" equation.

I have no idea how people get this mind-reading power to see what Coldplay or Metallica were thinking, but I don't have it. I tend to give the band the benefit of the doubt and just adhere to the possibility that they actually enjoy playing with a different sound.

Re: The Biggest Sell-Outs

Romanelli — Fri, 16 Nov 2012 18:36:19 GMT

Author: Romanelli

Posted: 11/16/2012 23:36

junodog4 wrote:

The sell-out peaked with "I Don't Wanna Miss a Thing".

I think there's a difference betweern selling out and kicking heroin.

Re: The Biggest Sell-Outs

Jasonconfused — Fri, 16 Nov 2012 18:23:58 GMT

Author: Jasonconfused

Posted: 11/16/2012 23:23

Necharsian wrote:

Step 1. "Man Band A deserves to be more popular. I wish people listened to better music."

Step 2. Band A becomes popular.

Step 3. "Man these guys really sold out. Their new stuff is just mainstream garbage."

Repeat with Band B.

Re: The Biggest Sell-Outs

paladisiac — Fri, 16 Nov 2012 17:26:10 GMT

Author: paladisiac

Posted: 11/16/2012 22:26

Necharsian wrote:

To me, there's a definite difference between this usual story and those that purposefully seek out selling more albums no matter the consequence. Rod Stewart keeps coming up as a prime example. Radiohead "sold out" according to the above narrative, but i don't consider them sellouts. Reality per artist swings between the Radiohead-Rod Stewart pendulum. But the Rod Stewart side is more truly "selling out" in the ridiculed and deplorable sense (even if i like some of Rod's pop pap).

Re: The Biggest Sell-Outs

Necharsian — Fri, 16 Nov 2012 17:18:31 GMT

Author: Necharsian

Posted: 11/16/2012 22:18

Step 1. "Man Band A deserves to be more popular. I wish people listened to better music."

Step 2. Band A becomes popular.

Step 3. "Man these guys really sold out. Their new stuff is just mainstream garbage."

Repeat with Band B.

Re: The Biggest Sell-Outs

Jasonconfused — Fri, 16 Nov 2012 16:34:58 GMT

Author: Jasonconfused

Posted: 11/16/2012 21:34

It's totally cliche to say it at this point, but Metallica definitely sold out by hiring Bob Rock (who they knew had produced Motley Crue's Dr. Feelgood)
Kiss definitely sold out. Gene Simmons will do anything for money.
I love Alice Cooper but he'll also do just about anything for money and exposure. I guess that's kind of his showman style though.

Re: The Biggest Sell-Outs

pearljammer13 — Sat, 15 Sep 2012 20:28:50 GMT

Author: pearljammer13

Posted: 09/16/2012 00:28

Hayden wrote:

8-[

Does this mean I'm mainstream?

And Muse sold out a long time ago :lol:

Yeah they kind of remind me of Incubus in the sense that chronologically, each album has taken a large step towards the mainstream. Sounds like this one might be all the way there.

Re: The Biggest Sell-Outs

Anonymous — Sat, 15 Sep 2012 20:13:30 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 09/16/2012 00:13

Hayden wrote:

And Muse sold out a long time ago :lol:

They sold out in 1998.

Re: The Biggest Sell-Outs

Hayden — Sat, 15 Sep 2012 20:12:21 GMT

Author: Hayden

Posted: 09/16/2012 00:12

thejoj96 wrote:

Hayden Who

😨

Does this mean I'm mainstream?

And Muse sold out a long time ago 🤣

Re: The Biggest Sell-Outs

Anonymous — Sat, 15 Sep 2012 20:04:13 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 09/16/2012 00:04

Hayden Who

Re: The Biggest Sell-Outs

pearljammer13 — Sat, 15 Sep 2012 12:43:16 GMT

Author: pearljammer13

Posted: 09/15/2012 16:43

Coldplay makes me want to regurgitate my lunch. I remember the first time I heard Yellow. I got the dry heaves immediately.

After hearing Muses new song, I think they are on the road for qualifying as a sellout as well.

Re: The Biggest Sell-Outs

Anonymous — Sat, 15 Sep 2012 11:01:40 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 09/15/2012 15:01

I think that there's no doubt about that Mylo Xyloto is the biggest sell out ever. I miss the greatness of X&Y and som parts of Viva la Vida.