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Re: Album of the day (#345): My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy

Anonymous — Fri, 1 Mar 2013 12:07:29 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 03/01/2013 17:07

Well, I simply love it, one of my all-time faves. I can totally see why many people are being turned off by the lyrics and the way Yeezy tries to fit in his personality within the themes of the album but the ambiguity with which he achieves this, as well as the unbelievable amount of variety among the tracks (Blame Game is almost like an adult-contemporary affair filtered by West's personal vision, POWER has a dynamic hard-rock feeling to it, Devil In A New Dress always gave me an impression of nu-soul combined amazingly with the Robinson "Will You Love Me Tomorrow" sample, while Runaway, well, I completely fail at describing this one in particular, it really is to me a very unique track I can't compare or find similarities it shares with something else) the sophisticated sampling, the spectacular way he includes more than a dozen guest artists in order to represent parts of his ambitious concept, yet they all preserve their induvidual characteristics in terms of musicianship (most notably Scott-Heron, Minaj and Iver), the insightful view through a world empty of true emotions, conquered by lifestyle and irresponsiblity (myabe what's going on in his own mind?) and a number of other aspects as well make this to my ears a mature and assured masterpiece.

Re: Album of the day (#345): My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy

GeevyDallas — Fri, 1 Mar 2013 11:58:34 GMT

Author: GeevyDallas

Posted: 03/01/2013 16:58

lethalnezzle wrote:

I basically thought all of that from the moment I first heard it up until about 8 or 9 months ago, when it finally clicked. I don't know what "it" is, so not sure I can help, but taken as a massive pop album then it certainly achieves its goal. I still prefer Late Registration and I'd put this on a par with The College Dropout (probably, although I always felt The College Dropout contains a fair amount of filler that isn't really there on MBDTF), but I do really enjoy this album. It's pompous and grandiose and insincere, which are all traits that usually turn me off more than any other, but the ambition and quality of the production - not to mention the fact that he pulled it off with aplomb - really set it apart from other hip-hop albums, even if it's not a sound I would usually readily appreciate and identify with. 'Power' and 'Monster' are just, erm, monster hip-hop songs, whilst 'All of the Lights' and 'Lost in the World' are both great pop songs. 'Devil in a New Dress' and 'Runaway' have the same vibe as a lot of the stuff from Graduation, but stand above virtually everything on that album. And 'Blame Game' is just stunning. For ages it was a record I just couldn't get into, perhaps because of my love of, and familiarity with, a hip-hop that works within specific parameters that, whilst wide, don't really need to be moved in my opinion. But in stretching those parameters, Kanye achieved something that has a singular vision and sound, which remains cohesive throughout despite such massive sonic variation. The lyrical themes of the album do nothing for me, even now, and I still think Kanye is a horribly clumsy rapper, but I wouldn't change this album for the world. The sheer depth and scope of the production is as impressive as anything I've ever heard within the confines of hip-hop, even if it isn't something that would normally appeal to me, and I find it startling that so much intelligent and thought-out production, with elements that could so have easily turned the whole album into a sprawling, difficult to decipher, arty mess, still produce such an accessible, bombastic pop vibe. It's the work of one of hip-hop's greatest producer's pushing the limits of both himself and the genre as far as they have ever been pushed, at least within the mainstream, and for that I applaud him. Even if it is still mad overrated.

Yeah I see what you mean,hopefully one day it will hit me and when it does I'll be the happiest man/boy in the world.I don't really think I've appreciated it's scope or ambition as much as I should have,but I find it difficult to do so considering all the grievances I have with it.Thanks for the response,maybe I'll listen to the album and not Kanye later(not sure that makes sense).

Re: Album of the day (#345): My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy

Anonymous — Fri, 1 Mar 2013 10:54:27 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 03/01/2013 15:54

SquishypuffDave wrote:

Negatives: Kanye is a pretty mediocre rapper, and I find his voice unbelievably annoying. He actually sounds like a South Park parody of himself. Even worse when he tries to sing.

Positives: Production is great. Yeah. That.

In terms of his ego, I couldn't care less. And since this album is about his ego, I couldn't care less about this album.

Best thing ever said about this album.

Re: Album of the day (#345): My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy

Anonymous — Fri, 1 Mar 2013 10:49:10 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 03/01/2013 15:49

DLGGLD wrote:

Okay listened to this three times in the last couple of days and it has gone even further down in my estimations.Before my most recent listens I had seen it as a massively overrated album,with some redeeming qualities and overall saw it as quite an enjoyable listening experience.As of right now,Runaway and So Appalled are the only tracks I like from the album.So can someone point me towards why they like it?Am I missing something?I can see it's meant to be this grandiose artistic statement(the fact people seriously say this about the album,tells you all you need to know about it) that captures a moment in time,but for me it comes across as shallow,egotistical(perhaps that's what he wanted to portray),over produced,unnatural and mostly uninteresting. I've seen people say it's all about emotions and a glimpse into the mind of Kanye,but this is lost on me and I struggle to sympathise with Kanye on this,in complete contrast to 808's where I hung on everything he said.I realise I've probably asked this before and I'm sorry,but I'm gearing up for another listen,which could possibly be my last for quite some time.

Sorry for digging up an old thread,didn't want to make a new one

Re: Album of the day (#345): My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy

GeevyDallas — Fri, 1 Mar 2013 10:33:48 GMT

Author: GeevyDallas

Posted: 03/01/2013 15:33

Okay listened to this three times in the last couple of days and it has gone even further down in my estimations.Before my most recent listens I had seen it as a massively overrated album,with some redeeming qualities and overall saw it as quite an enjoyable listening experience.As of right now,Runaway and So Appalled are the only tracks I like from the album.So can someone point me towards why they like it?Am I missing something?I can see it's meant to be this grandiose artistic statement(the fact people seriously say this about the album,tells you all you need to know about it) that captures a moment in time,but for me it comes across as shallow,egotistical(perhaps that's what he wanted to portray),over produced,unnatural and mostly uninteresting. I've seen people say it's all about emotions and a glimpse into the mind of Kanye,but this is lost on me and I struggle to sympathise with Kanye on this,in complete contrast to 808's where I hung on everything he said.I realise I've probably asked this before and I'm sorry,but I'm gearing up for another listen,which could possibly be my last for quite some time.

Sorry for digging up an old thread,didn't want to make a new one

Re: Album of the day (#345): My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy

SquishypuffDave — Sun, 23 Oct 2011 23:33:39 GMT

Author: SquishypuffDave

Posted: 10/24/2011 03:33

Negatives: Kanye is a pretty mediocre rapper, and I find his voice unbelievably annoying. He actually sounds like a South Park parody of himself. Even worse when he tries to sing.

Positives: Production is great. Yeah. That.

In terms of his ego, I couldn't care less. And since this album is about his ego, I couldn't care less about this album.

Re: Album of the day (#345): My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy

GARY — Sun, 23 Oct 2011 14:01:40 GMT

Author: GARY

Posted: 10/23/2011 18:01

Oddly enough I just can't seem to find Bono's "massive ego" in this video 🤔

But I did see that the KING OF THE BLUES (BB King) is very impressed with Bono 😁

Link

Re: Album of the day (#345): My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy

Anonymous — Sun, 23 Oct 2011 14:00:05 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 10/23/2011 18:00

purple wrote:

Link

🤣 classic. Never gets old.

Re: Album of the day (#345): My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy

alelsupreme — Sun, 23 Oct 2011 13:57:24 GMT

Author: alelsupreme

Posted: 10/23/2011 17:57

I like bono too, that's why The joshua tree is quite high in my chart.

Re: Album of the day (#345): My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy

GARY — Sun, 23 Oct 2011 13:46:58 GMT

Author: GARY

Posted: 10/23/2011 17:46

Here is another song that Bono wrote 😁

U2's "Pride (In the Name of Love)" set to pictures of Martin Luther King Jr. as a tribute to him. The song was written about this great man.

Link

Re: Album of the day (#345): My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy

GARY — Sun, 23 Oct 2011 13:45:36 GMT

Author: GARY

Posted: 10/23/2011 17:45

Polythene Pam wrote:

GARY wrote:

Polythene Pam wrote:

Ego's should be left to Rock Stars and Keith Moon

Umm.. Keith Moon was the poster boy for "ROCK STAR" 🫵

It was a compliment to him 😜

I mean

Keith Moon >>>>>> Other Rock Stars

😁

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Re: Album of the day (#345): My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy

Anonymous — Sun, 23 Oct 2011 13:45:21 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 10/23/2011 17:45

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Re: Album of the day (#345): My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy

Anonymous — Sun, 23 Oct 2011 13:43:25 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 10/23/2011 17:43

GARY wrote:

Polythene Pam wrote:

Ego's should be left to Rock Stars and Keith Moon

Umm.. Keith Moon was the poster boy for "ROCK STAR" 🫵

It was a compliment to him 😜

I mean

Keith Moon >>>>>> Other Rock Stars

Re: Album of the day (#345): My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy

GARY — Sun, 23 Oct 2011 13:42:11 GMT

Author: GARY

Posted: 10/23/2011 17:42

19loveless91 wrote:

Jhereko wrote:

Can't really be fucked going through all the lyrics but suffice to say it is a different type of egotism, akin to how itsit put it - the golden messiah. I'd much rather the honest egotism of Kanye much more human and pitiful (and he's aware it's pitiful).

You probably mean stuff like "One".. I mean yeah it's cheesy, but I wouldn't call it egotistical. Thinking that songs like this could actually change the world might be egotistical though.. (and TBH he actually might think that)

Bono wrote One for AIDS awareness.

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Re: Album of the day (#345): My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy

19loveless91 — Sun, 23 Oct 2011 13:40:08 GMT

Author: 19loveless91

Posted: 10/23/2011 17:40

Jhereko wrote:

Re: Album of the day (#345): My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy

cartoken — Sun, 23 Oct 2011 13:33:00 GMT

Author: cartoken

Posted: 10/23/2011 17:33

besteveruser wrote:

cartoken wrote:

Kanye west with this album proved that hip hop can produce very high quality music ! super great !

That gets proven multiple times every year.

And I'm with the poster who said he or she prefers Big Boi's Sir Lucious Left Foot.

Sir Lucious Left Foot is also in my top 100 albums chart (100#) and i have to agree that none of the songs from My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy are better than You Ain't No DJ, but big boi did a better job with Janelle's album.

Re: Album of the day (#345): My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy

GARY — Sun, 23 Oct 2011 13:32:52 GMT

Author: GARY

Posted: 10/23/2011 17:32

Polythene Pam wrote:

Ego's should be left to Rock Stars and Keith Moon

Umm.. Keith Moon was the poster boy for "ROCK STAR" 🫵

Thumbnail. Click to enlarge.

And, O by the way, he was one of the greatest drummers that ever lived.

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Re: Album of the day (#345): My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy

Anonymous — Sun, 23 Oct 2011 13:28:30 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 10/23/2011 17:28

Can't really be fucked going through all the lyrics but suffice to say it is a different type of egotism, akin to how itsit put it - the golden messiah. I'd much rather the honest egotism of Kanye much more human and pitiful (and he's aware it's pitiful).

Re: Album of the day (#345): My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy

19loveless91 — Sun, 23 Oct 2011 13:28:07 GMT

Author: 19loveless91

Posted: 10/23/2011 17:28

Actually, here is a song, where he is mentioning his "ego"

Link

I'm starting a landslide in my ego
Look from the outside to the world I left behind
I'm dreaming, you're awake
If I were sleeping, what's at stake?
A day without me

Whatever feelings I've been feeling
What are the feelings you left behind?

Today's a day without me

I started a landslide in my ego
Look from the outside to the world I left behind
In the world I left behind
Wipe your eyes and then let go
To the world I left behind
Shed a tear and then let go

Re: Album of the day (#345): My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy

19loveless91 — Sun, 23 Oct 2011 13:21:58 GMT

Author: 19loveless91

Posted: 10/23/2011 17:21

Jhereko wrote:

19loveless91 wrote:

Jhereko wrote:

itsit wrote:

In Kanye's head he is the greatest rapper/artist to live, that's pretty damn big. but nothing on Bono, in his head he is a shining glorious messiah come to save the world.

^ Pretty much this

Well at least Bono has done and achieved things that can justify (well.. explain) his egotism in a way.

edit: and as I said, no matter how highly he thinks of himself, I can't hear it in his (U2's) music. Which instantly makes him more tolerable to Kanye

ABSOLUTLEY NOT to your first point.

and you're talking nullshit with you're second point, at least I (and Kanye) can admit he has an ego and it permeates his themes and lyrics you and Bono on the otherhand are in denial [-X

To my first point: what does a man have to do then to deserve being a wee bit egotistical? (note: not saying that Bono is only a "wee bit")
To my second point: I have three U2 albums on my chart, Boy, War and Joshua Tree - please, can you argue that any of these three have lyrics and themes that would be egotistical?