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Re: haha... overrated!!!

RoundTheBend — Fri, 29 Mar 2013 04:46:04 GMT

Author: RoundTheBend

Posted: 03/29/2013 08:46

Jhereko wrote:

Yes, we have a quantitative measure here instead of a flimsy qualitative one. But it's not that simple. The charts of BEA make up a much larger sample size than the BEA forums. It may be that the portion of users on the forums happen to deviate hugely from the overall charts and that on average we're on the far side of the bell curve. So when you say on the BEA forum that such and such is only #13 when it should be #12 "It's a disgrace!" you're referring to an overall chart affected by (when I last checked) almost 9000 charts. There's probably what, 40-50 regulars on the forum and another...40-50 non-regulars - at most. So maybe making those comments makes no sense to a lot of us (because our opinions have a very strong chance of not completely aligning with the overall chart either) and that's why the opinions in the controversial opinions thread that actually make more sense to me are the ones based off a consensus perceived through general qualitative means (e.g. what we read on the forums etc).

None of this even comments on the fact (as purple said) that there have been many other music sites that have used some sort of ranking and because of that people have felt justified in using different extremes of 'ratedness' on things.

Or maybe I just woke up and am over-complicating what you were trying to say, I don't know...

Wow, you are really hung up on the fact that my opinion is that U2 should make the top 10... it's ok... it'll be alright, it is just an opinion.... haha

no I get where you are coming from and maybe you are taking it a bit too far, but then I did start a somewhat philosophical discussion on the realization that the over-generalization of something is over/underrated could be traced to the ratings people give it... instead of ONLY the magazines.

All I am saying is that it was harder before to see what the general public thought of an album, except for maybe sales, which is at times irrelevant.

Actually everything is irrelevant and doesn't matter, unless someone takes the effort to care about it. Then it is relevant to them.

Re: haha... overrated!!!

Anonymous — Fri, 29 Mar 2013 04:08:00 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 03/29/2013 08:08

Yes, we have a quantitative measure here instead of a flimsy qualitative one. But it's not that simple. The charts of BEA make up a much larger sample size than the BEA forums. It may be that the portion of users on the forums happen to deviate hugely from the overall charts and that on average we're on the far side of the bell curve. So when you say on the BEA forum that such and such is only #13 when it should be #12 "It's a disgrace!" you're referring to an overall chart affected by (when I last checked) almost 9000 charts. There's probably what, 40-50 regulars on the forum and another...40-50 non-regulars - at most. So maybe making those comments makes no sense to a lot of us (because our opinions have a very strong chance of not completely aligning with the overall chart either) and that's why the opinions in the controversial opinions thread that actually make more sense to me are the ones based off a consensus perceived through general qualitative means (e.g. what we read on the forums etc).

None of this even comments on the fact (as purple said) that there have been many other music sites that have used some sort of ranking and because of that people have felt justified in using different extremes of 'ratedness' on things.

Or maybe I just woke up and am over-complicating what you were trying to say, I don't know...

Re: haha... overrated!!!

RoundTheBend — Fri, 29 Mar 2013 03:56:47 GMT

Author: RoundTheBend

Posted: 03/29/2013 07:56

swedenman wrote:

I think you guys are reading too much into poor seth's original post. He's simply saying this is one of the few places where you can discuss whether or not an album is over- or under-rated and have an actual ranking to judge it against, whereas in real life saying an album is over- or under-rated is kind of meaningless.

Come to think of it, I'm not sure I agree, but I guess it's all about your own personal experiences.

This is exactly what I meant, and the end of what you said I think maybe ties what I was trying to say with what Jason was saying: whereas in real life saying an album is over- or under-rated is kind of meaningless.

I guess as purple pointed out, it all really is meaningless to discuss, because what matters is if you like it, or you don't, but I guess we talk about our opinions on this site to reach some kind of validation or understand or something... even if they are totally rejected at times.

Re: haha... overrated!!!

Anonymous — Fri, 29 Mar 2013 00:49:53 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 03/29/2013 04:49

swedenman wrote:

in real life saying an album is over- or under-rated is kind of meaningless.

We're in a digital world now...

Re: haha... overrated!!!

Anonymous — Fri, 29 Mar 2013 00:48:40 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 03/29/2013 04:48

I think you guys are reading too much into poor seth's original post. He's simply saying this is one of the few places where you can discuss whether or not an album is over- or under-rated and have an actual ranking to judge it against, whereas in real life saying an album is over- or under-rated is kind of meaningless.

Come to think of it, I'm not sure I agree, but I guess it's all about your own personal experiences.

Re: haha... overrated!!!

Jasonconfused — Fri, 29 Mar 2013 00:23:35 GMT

Author: Jasonconfused

Posted: 03/29/2013 04:23

purple wrote:

Well, presumably most music discussion is opinion and if someone is of an opinion that something is underrated or overrated, of course it can be discussed. Sometimes you get that lucky case where it is discussed civilly. I don't think in terms of what is under- or overrated, just explicitly what I like and what I don't like. However, Jason, I especially like your highlighting of should; it really highlights the truth that all our discussion is all about personal evaluation.

I have no problem with overrated/underrated being discussed, just not in the objective sense that it appears sethmadsen implied it could be.

sethmadsen wrote:

This is the only place where I have experienced someone can say something is overrated and it be true...

Re: haha... overrated!!!

Anonymous — Fri, 29 Mar 2013 00:12:18 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 03/29/2013 04:12

Jasonconfused wrote:

Uhhh.. what? There is so much wrong with this, but I'll just focus on one aspect of it. Even on a website or anything that actually does rate things, you still can't say things are overrated because there is no base for what a particular album should be rated. How can say which album is overrated, which is underrated, and which is rated just right. Everyone is going to have their own opinions.

Re: haha... overrated!!!

Jasonconfused — Thu, 28 Mar 2013 23:58:57 GMT

Author: Jasonconfused

Posted: 03/29/2013 03:58

Uhhh.. what? There is so much wrong with this, but I'll just focus on one aspect of it. Even on a website or anything that actually does rate things, you still can't say things are overrated because there is no base for what a particular album should be rated. How can say which album is overrated, which is underrated, and which is rated just right. Everyone is going to have their own opinions.

Re: haha... overrated!!!

Anonymous — Thu, 28 Mar 2013 23:45:50 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 03/29/2013 03:45

Because RYM, Rolling Stone, and countless other rank-based music forums and music critics simply did not exist before BEA...

Re: haha... overrated!!!

RoundTheBend — Thu, 28 Mar 2013 23:07:41 GMT

Author: RoundTheBend

Posted: 03/29/2013 03:07

sheep21 wrote:

Thoughts:

None.

hahaha

Re: haha... overrated!!!

sheep21 — Thu, 28 Mar 2013 23:06:11 GMT

Author: sheep21

Posted: 03/29/2013 03:06

Thoughts:

None.

haha... overrated!!!

RoundTheBend — Thu, 28 Mar 2013 22:58:56 GMT

Author: RoundTheBend

Posted: 03/29/2013 02:58

So this may be something small, but found it to be funny nonetheless...

This is the only place where I have experienced someone can say something is overrated and it be true, because things are literally rated on this site.

I just think this interesting because making a comment like that album is overrated didn't really mean much more than you think it is getting more attention that it deserves, but here, things are actually based on ratings... Before it wasn't tangible with facts to back up that assumption...

Thoughts on my insignificant realization?