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Re: Are you really giving all music the same chance?

Patman360 — Tue, 30 Apr 2013 14:37:59 GMT

Author: Patman360

Posted: 04/30/2013 18:37

Charicature wrote:

That's not actually true, and, indeed, in certain genres there's a LOT more ripping off of the sound and style of other artists than in other genres, because they're more likely to try to do what's already been successful for someone else.

That may be in the case of certain songs, but overall every artist still has their own sound, I've never come across a case where I'd regard two artist sounding completely similar. Many artists have numerous influences across different genres and this is often heard in their sound.

Re: Are you really giving all music the same chance?

Charicature — Tue, 30 Apr 2013 14:24:53 GMT

Author: Charicature

Posted: 04/30/2013 18:24

Patman360 wrote:

Also, I find it weird when people write off certain genres. After all, every artist sounds different.

Re: Are you really giving all music the same chance?

Robert Anton Wilson — Tue, 30 Apr 2013 11:06:31 GMT

Author: Robert Anton Wilson

Posted: 04/30/2013 15:06

an_outlaw wrote:

... As I said, I have some other ideas ...

Ideas are good.

Re: Are you really giving all music the same chance?

Anonymous — Mon, 29 Apr 2013 14:18:52 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 04/29/2013 18:18

Charicature wrote:

Me, personally? No - anyone can tell from my top 100 list I don't give a crap about perceptions if I like certain music. And frankly I doubt there's too many of the type that ARE prejudiced against certain types of music for social reasons on this site.

I see. The whole thread was a waste of my words. I haven't a read a word from the thread since my last post but just this moment I saw a new post and thought I better clear up the mess I made before it carries on forever.

I don't like what I wrote and I made another post bourne out of frustration of people misinterpreting what I had to say to begin with. It was the wrong thing to do, I really should have left it be forever after the first post went astray. I'm undergoing changes in ideas and have been thinking many different ones since I first made this. It is a chaotic time in my mind haha!

I'm sure you listen to what you want Mr Charicature 😜 Everyone else please refrain from taking the first post at face value. As I said, I have some other ideas and there will subsequent threads (if of a different nature) or posts if they fit here or in another thread.

Re: Are you really giving all music the same chance?

Charicature — Mon, 29 Apr 2013 13:59:01 GMT

Author: Charicature

Posted: 04/29/2013 17:59

an_outlaw wrote:

Hey, I think there are musical prejudices going on. Some people are fearful or fear liking certain albums because how others might perceive them. They won't admit to liking them or have them as "guilty pleasures". They listen to albums they don't like over 5 times and still insist on giving them more listens because they don't "get them" or "understand" them yet. At the same time, they rate albums very poorly which they have yet to even listen to once! 😲 Sometimes they may have heard one or two hit singles. These umbrellas called "indie" and "alternative" have many snobs.

It is 2013. This is not a BEA thing, this is everywhere. Music has too much people who take themselves too seriously. So much people are so stuck up with their "Art". Their musical "diversity". Their "ambient" nonsense.

Lighten up 🫵

It is music.

Re: Are you really giving all music the same chance?

tbakeman — Mon, 29 Apr 2013 10:16:11 GMT

Author: tbakeman

Posted: 04/29/2013 14:16

I never gave Bright Eyes a chance, mostly because I associate it with all my hipster friends that don't even think Jeff Mangum is any good. I've always him on my shuffle playlist, but always skipped him when he would come up, for some reason. So finally, this weekend I gave I'm Wide Awake a chance, long and behold he is actually pretty good. Still no Jeff Mangum though.

Re: Are you really giving all music the same chance?

19loveless91 — Mon, 29 Apr 2013 10:09:12 GMT

Author: 19loveless91

Posted: 04/29/2013 14:09

I think if you listen to a highly acclaimed album (or an album that you expect to like) and you don't "get" it, you're more likely to keep trying than when this happens with an album that you don't have any expectations for or that not many people like. I think that's normal if not exactly "fair".

And then there's what tekin mentioned

Quote:

Sometimes you're indecisive about value of an album or your degree of enjoyment so you want to settle it with more listens but with some albums you see they're downright disgusting just with few songs.

And that's what I have to say about the topic at hand.

Re: Are you really giving all music the same chance?

Anonymous — Mon, 29 Apr 2013 09:11:10 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 04/29/2013 13:11

Simply Outlaw came here and said you are all snobs, people responded and requested explanation but he chickened out and never showed up again.

Re: Are you really giving all music the same chance?

ColumnatedRuins — Mon, 29 Apr 2013 03:42:35 GMT

Author: ColumnatedRuins

Posted: 04/29/2013 07:42

SilverWalrus wrote:

I think it's funny that Outlaw made this thread when he's one of the worst offenders of this on the site. I agree with the general idea of the thread in that people should try to generally give all music an equal chance, but Outlaw is using this thread as a way to say everyone should have his taste. Marvelous.

Pretty much this, and that's all I have to say. Dumb thread. Agee with it in principle, but pretty sure the OP's insinuating that people who don't share his taste in music or like music he dislikes (particularly records that are acclaimed around here- Spiderland, Talk Talk etc) are doing music wrong, for lack of a better phrase. Or, more succinctly, disliking things like Fun's Some Nights must be pretentious "hipster" posturing based on petty cool kid disingenuity and nothing else. And that's pretty insulting, really. This is snarky and probably has already been said and said better but I'm procrastinating on studying for my exam tomorrow, so whatever.

lol man how can people dislike music I like and like music I dislike. they're not listening to music correctly that must be it

Re: Are you really giving all music the same chance?

Anonymous — Mon, 29 Apr 2013 02:33:10 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 04/29/2013 06:33

I think it's funny that Outlaw made this thread when he's one of the worst offenders of this on the site. I agree with the general idea of the thread in that people should try to generally give all music an equal chance, but Outlaw is using this thread as a way to say everyone should have his taste. Marvelous.

Re: Are you really giving all music the same chance?

Robert Anton Wilson — Mon, 29 Apr 2013 01:34:58 GMT

Author: Robert Anton Wilson

Posted: 04/29/2013 05:34

In short, Tekin's first post says exactly what I think.

I have checked my top 100 and there are 15 albums from bands/genres I actively disliked or openly wanted to dislike but got caught because the music overwrought my hipness. That is not taking into account bands like U2 and REM which I actively disliked when they were "alternative" (the word back then for what is meant by indie nowadays) and started to like only when they became mainstream (how awful of me) - probably for the same reason they became mainstream (i.e. the music got better).

And since I am a fan of prog and my guilty pleasures are Billy Joel, Offsrpring and Blue Oyster Cult, I think it is obvious I do not like my music because the hipster crowd likes it - I am still looking for a first friend to like one of them with me (well I found one friend who also likes Billy and one distant friend I have convinced to love Smash by the Offspring but he always refused to listen to Americana which I find much superior and as for Blue Oyster Cult, I am still preaching in the desert).

Though it might be possible that I do not like Radiohead as much as I let it show -Oh1 man now I am gonna get it. I mean I did get OK Computer and Hail to the Thief, the National Anthem and Creep full blown but as for the rest I am still wondering why I bother listen to In Rainbows and king of Limbs every once in a while ... alright now I am going to get it for real.

An as far as An_Outlaw goes in creating this post or being himself a music snob, I judge a hread by how much it makes music talk, one of my favorite post had no single re-post from the original poster but went on for pages with people fighting over it and this post will soon reach the 10 pages milestone so, good job an_outlaw whther you meant it or not.

`

Necharsian wrote:

Hahaha is that greatness or hive mind you tell me

Isn't the hive mind an integral part of art appreciation. We rise with our idols but if they fall by making a crappy album we fall with them and hence strive to defend them.

I did try to like My Dark twisted Fantasy. It is so highly rated by so many people I respect but sorry. I tried. This just ain't music for my old weary ears. But i did swear once upon a time that punk music was too debased for such a connoisseur as me but Lord help me if I can resist Fresh fruit for Rotten Vegetables by the Dead Kennedys. There can be only one, one day i migt find the one and only hip hop album I like but so far for me

"That Kind of music ain't got the same soul
I like that old time rock'n roll"
- Bob seger

"It's only rock'n roll but I like it"
- The Rolling Effing Effing Stones

"Not till I'm ready for you, not till I'm ready for you Can I have it all now?"

Re: Are you really giving all music the same chance?

Anonymous — Mon, 29 Apr 2013 01:16:30 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 04/29/2013 05:16

Puncture Repair wrote:

I honestly can't think of an album that I've heard that I've actively disliked.

I envy you. I wish I could say the same.

Re: Are you really giving all music the same chance?

Robert Anton Wilson — Mon, 29 Apr 2013 00:46:14 GMT

Author: Robert Anton Wilson

Posted: 04/29/2013 04:46

Question: Are you really giving all music the same chance?

Answer: Nope.

Re: Are you really giving all music the same chance?

Defago — Sun, 28 Apr 2013 16:55:05 GMT

Author: Defago

Posted: 04/28/2013 20:55

For me, there are only a small handful of them. Usually either I like it or I don't really care about it, but don't actively hate it or something. That's why I have less than 10 ratings of 65 or less, and most group around 75 or 80.

Re: Are you really giving all music the same chance?

Anonymous — Sun, 28 Apr 2013 16:52:36 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 04/28/2013 20:52

I honestly can't think of an album that I've heard that I've actively disliked.

Re: Are you really giving all music the same chance?

Anonymous — Sun, 28 Apr 2013 12:25:33 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 04/28/2013 16:25

Romanelli wrote:

There have actually been many instances where I have tried to close the door on specific types of music. Being someone who loves music above pretty much everything, this bothers me. And what I have discovered in many cases is that the reason why I don't like certian things is because I haven't given it a real chance, or I haven't listened to it with a seriously open mind. I've been told to not bother trying because I shouldn't waste time trying to force myself to like something I don't like...but I have found that simply isn't true (for me, anyway).

I think that there's something in all types of music for me. Getting my sometimes stubborn mind to allow for that can be a challenge, but more often than not, my patience has been rewarded. Hanging out here has helped me with this more than anything else I've ever done. I have had difficult times getting into things (hip hop, for example). I have come to know myself well enough that if I can take down that STATEMENT inside of my head that says "I don't like hip hop" and really give it a chance, that I can start finding those things about it that I do like, and I can start building an appreciation for that music. I cannot honestly say that I completely get hip hop, and maybe I never will. Who knows? But I DO have a growing appreciation for it. I can listen to it with an open mind and learn about it. Had I taken the advice that said to not bother, I'd be missing out. And I really don't want to miss out on any positive music experiences.

I don't know...it's hard for me to articulate all of this, but I hope you get what I'm trying to say. More now than at any time in my life, I am finding that I can at least be open to pretty much everything I hear. And I'm finding that being able to do so is a damn happy place for me.

If you swap "hip-hop" for "metal" this post is pretty much my thoughts on the issue.

Re: Are you really giving all music the same chance?

Cymro2011 — Sun, 28 Apr 2013 12:24:35 GMT

Author: Cymro2011

Posted: 04/28/2013 16:24

tekin wrote:

I think the thread should be renamed to "Are you really giving MSP/Kate Bush/Sparks/Rush/Dead Kennedys/Billy Talent the same chance?

I'd just like to say that Dead Kennedys are the shit.

Re: Are you really giving all music the same chance?

Anonymous — Sun, 28 Apr 2013 12:22:43 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 04/28/2013 16:22

I think the thread should be renamed to "Are you really giving MSP/Kate Bush/Sparks/Rush/Dead Kennedys/Billy Talent the same chance?"

Re: Are you really giving all music the same chance?

Romanelli — Sun, 28 Apr 2013 12:17:28 GMT

Author: Romanelli

Posted: 04/28/2013 16:17

There have actually been many instances where I have tried to close the door on specific types of music. Being someone who loves music above pretty much everything, this bothers me. And what I have discovered in many cases is that the reason why I don't like certian things is because I haven't given it a real chance, or I haven't listened to it with a seriously open mind. I've been told to not bother trying because I shouldn't waste time trying to force myself to like something I don't like...but I have found that simply isn't true (for me, anyway).

I think that there's something in all types of music for me. Getting my sometimes stubborn mind to allow for that can be a challenge, but more often than not, my patience has been rewarded. Hanging out here has helped me with this more than anything else I've ever done. I have had difficult times getting into things (hip hop, for example). I have come to know myself well enough that if I can take down that STATEMENT inside of my head that says "I don't like hip hop" and really give it a chance, that I can start finding those things about it that I do like, and I can start building an appreciation for that music. I cannot honestly say that I completely get hip hop, and maybe I never will. Who knows? But I DO have a growing appreciation for it. I can listen to it with an open mind and learn about it. Had I taken the advice that said to not bother, I'd be missing out. And I really don't want to miss out on any positive music experiences.

I don't know...it's hard for me to articulate all of this, but I hope you get what I'm trying to say. More now than at any time in my life, I am finding that I can at least be open to pretty much everything I hear. And I'm finding that being able to do so is a damn happy place for me.

Re: Are you really giving all music the same chance?

Anonymous — Sun, 28 Apr 2013 10:47:29 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 04/28/2013 14:47

Nobody likes the same music I do. They must be elitist assholes. Wah wah wah wah wah.