Best Ever Albums

Re: CLOSED: PPNW - R2: MBV def. Young Marble Giants

videoheadcleaner — Sun, 9 Jun 2013 23:09:58 GMT

Author: videoheadcleaner

Posted: 06/10/2013 03:09

Gigantic fail?

18-14

Re: CLOSED: PPNW - R2: MBV def. Young Marble Giants

19loveless91 — Sun, 9 Jun 2013 05:57:07 GMT

Author: 19loveless91

Posted: 06/09/2013 09:57

Jhereko wrote:

Like in the electronic album tournament the eligibility arguments should be had and resolved during the nominations/pre-tourny phase. Once the bands are in matches, votes (as far as I'm concerned) shouldn't be based on whether a band should be there or not (and no I don't think MBV is pp or nw) but simply which band you prefer (or just abstain if it bothers you that much). As such I'm voting for My Bloody Valentine.

But the thing is.. MBV were post punk at one point, but not at their most famous albums. Similarly, Talk Talk started as new wave, but weren't anymore on the albums most people associate them with. So they have every right to be in the tourney, but is it really fair that they're getting votes based on those albums that have nothing to do with the genre in question? Example - I love MBV way more than Joy Division, but Joy Division are a far better post punk band - because what MBV issued as "post-punk" just wasn't that good.

I think it's slightly different to the electronic album tourney (though I would have made and possibly have made a similar argument - I could like one album more than another, but that won't necessarily mean I also think it's a better "electronic" album) in the way that those were albums, i.e. specific pieces of work, whereas we're talking bands here, i.e. their entire careers, where music, genre-wise, usually varies a lot more than within albums.

Re: CLOSED: PPNW - R2: MBV def. Young Marble Giants

Anonymous — Sun, 9 Jun 2013 03:30:46 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 06/09/2013 07:30

Like in the electronic album tournament the eligibility arguments should be had and resolved during the nominations/pre-tourny phase. Once the bands are in matches, votes (as far as I'm concerned) shouldn't be based on whether a band should be there or not (and no I don't think MBV is pp or nw) but simply which band you prefer (or just abstain if it bothers you that much). As such I'm voting for My Bloody Valentine.

Re: CLOSED: PPNW - R2: MBV def. Young Marble Giants

Jasonconfused — Sun, 9 Jun 2013 03:14:45 GMT

Author: Jasonconfused

Posted: 06/09/2013 07:14

CellarDoor wrote:

RYM says Bob Dylan is Pop Reggae :

http://rateyourmusic.com/artist/bob_dylan

🤣 I can see it. Like a Rolling Stone is easily the most pop song of all time. And reggae? Mr. Tambourine man has Reggae written all over it. But the real Pop Reggae came in everyone's favorite, Gotta Serve Somebody.

Re: CLOSED: PPNW - R2: MBV def. Young Marble Giants

L Lawliet — Sun, 9 Jun 2013 03:08:51 GMT

Author: L Lawliet

Posted: 06/09/2013 07:08

Really hope we get a few more votes in this, mbv shouldn't be in this tourney.

Re: CLOSED: PPNW - R2: MBV def. Young Marble Giants

Hayden — Sat, 8 Jun 2013 18:07:03 GMT

Author: Hayden

Posted: 06/08/2013 22:07

After more consideration I regret my vote...

I totally forget that MBV aren't even post-punk. 🤡

Re: CLOSED: PPNW - R2: MBV def. Young Marble Giants

Jasonconfused — Sat, 8 Jun 2013 17:50:37 GMT

Author: Jasonconfused

Posted: 06/08/2013 21:50

nutso42 wrote:

I guess this makes sense. If it were a battle between the Sex Pistols and Pink Floyd in a punk tournament, I guess I would vote for Sex Pistols, despite liking Pink Floyd a whole lot more.

I wouldn't 😜
The Sex Pistols were originally why I wanted nothing to do with punk. Then I discovered good punk. I think I'd rather listen to Pink Floyd try punk than the Sex Pistols 🤣

Re: CLOSED: PPNW - R2: MBV def. Young Marble Giants

Anonymous — Sat, 8 Jun 2013 17:45:21 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 06/08/2013 21:45

lethalnezzle wrote:

Partially down to the debate of accurate genre labeling, I'd imagine. I think people feel uncomfortable voting for a band they don't see as post-punk or new wave in a post-punk and new wave tournament. If this were just a battle between two bands, free of genre constraints, I imagine MBV would be doing much better.

I guess this makes sense. If it were a battle between the Sex Pistols and Pink Floyd in a punk tournament, I guess I would vote for Sex Pistols, despite liking Pink Floyd a whole lot more.

Re: CLOSED: PPNW - R2: MBV def. Young Marble Giants

Anonymous — Sat, 8 Jun 2013 00:03:16 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 06/08/2013 04:03

nutso42 wrote:

Regardless of the debate of accurate genre labeling, how is MBV not dominating this poll?

Re: CLOSED: PPNW - R2: MBV def. Young Marble Giants

Anonymous — Fri, 7 Jun 2013 23:31:28 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 06/08/2013 03:31

Regardless of the debate of accurate genre labeling, how is MBV not dominating this poll?

Re: CLOSED: PPNW - R2: MBV def. Young Marble Giants

videoheadcleaner — Fri, 7 Jun 2013 05:34:33 GMT

Author: videoheadcleaner

Posted: 06/07/2013 09:34

19loveless91 wrote:

I'm a bit baffled by this as well.. The only post-punk I remember from MBV was their debut EP/mini album (This is Your Bloody Valentine).

And on RYM, this is correct.

This is like the Talk Talk situation. Do we only regard the band on their post-punk releases or as a whole entity?

Re: CLOSED: PPNW - R2: MBV def. Young Marble Giants

Anonymous — Thu, 6 Jun 2013 17:21:57 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 06/06/2013 21:21

CellarDoor wrote:

RYM says Bob Dylan is Pop Reggae :

http://rateyourmusic.com/artist/bob_dylan

lololol

Re: CLOSED: PPNW - R2: MBV def. Young Marble Giants

CellarDoor — Thu, 6 Jun 2013 17:19:19 GMT

Author: CellarDoor

Posted: 06/06/2013 21:19

Cymro2011 wrote:

RYM labels them as Post-Punk but if all of you guys are unhappy with it being in the tourney i'd be happy to let YMG be put forward instead.

http://rateyourmusic.com/artist/my_bloody_valentine

RYM says Bob Dylan is Pop Reggae :

http://rateyourmusic.com/artist/bob_dylan

Re: CLOSED: PPNW - R2: MBV def. Young Marble Giants

Cymro2011 — Thu, 6 Jun 2013 17:04:01 GMT

Author: Cymro2011

Posted: 06/06/2013 21:04

CellarDoor wrote:

MBV in a PPNW tourney ?

RYM labels them as Post-Punk but if all of you guys are unhappy with it being in the tourney i'd be happy to let YMG be put forward instead.

http://rateyourmusic.com/artist/my_bloody_valentine

Re: CLOSED: PPNW - R2: MBV def. Young Marble Giants

Norman Bates — Thu, 6 Jun 2013 16:23:05 GMT

Author: Norman Bates

Posted: 06/06/2013 20:23

I'm still trying to understand how My Bloody Valentine can be associated with postpunk. Considering this, plus the fact that Colossal Youth is a masterpiece, it's an easy vote for YMG on my part.

Re: CLOSED: PPNW - R2: MBV def. Young Marble Giants

19loveless91 — Thu, 6 Jun 2013 16:01:29 GMT

Author: 19loveless91

Posted: 06/06/2013 20:01

I'm a bit baffled by this as well.. The only post-punk I remember from MBV was their debut EP/mini album (This is Your Bloody Valentine).

Re: CLOSED: PPNW - R2: MBV def. Young Marble Giants

CellarDoor — Thu, 6 Jun 2013 15:56:48 GMT

Author: CellarDoor

Posted: 06/06/2013 19:56

MBV in a PPNW tourney ?

Thank god they invented a genre called shoegaze so they can have their own tourney.

Really weird selections...

EDIT : voted YMG

Re: CLOSED: PPNW - R2: MBV def. Young Marble Giants

drakonium — Thu, 6 Jun 2013 09:55:14 GMT

Author: drakonium

Posted: 06/06/2013 13:55

The YMG's album may be one of the most marvelous discoveries of this tournament. That said, they're against MBV. Too bad for them...

Re: CLOSED: PPNW - R2: MBV def. Young Marble Giants

meccalecca — Thu, 6 Jun 2013 08:00:44 GMT

Author: meccalecca

Posted: 06/06/2013 12:00

Young Marble Giants are great, but yeah MBV wins this in a landslide

Re: CLOSED: PPNW - R2: MBV def. Young Marble Giants

Hayden — Thu, 6 Jun 2013 07:50:05 GMT

Author: Hayden

Posted: 06/06/2013 11:50

Well this is just mean 🙁

My Bloody Valentine though.