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Re: Boston better than the Beatles?

ffudnebbuh — Sun, 5 Sep 2010 09:30:27 GMT

Author: ffudnebbuh

Posted: 09/05/2010 13:30

Are individual votes from different sources for a track get aggregated? For example, would votes for "good vibrations" from "smiley smile" and "Endless summer" and other compilations get added up? Upon reflection, there would be no way of knowing if a track on different albums is exactly the same recording, so maybe that wouldn't work...
I know that this is an uninteresting topic of discussion for anyone who does not have a background in stats, so I will stop boring everyone..thanks for your answers to my questions, RFNAPLES and albummaster.

Re: Boston better than the Beatles?

albummaster — Sun, 5 Sep 2010 08:40:27 GMT

Author: albummaster

Posted: 09/05/2010 12:40

yes, you're right. The reason this happens is because tracks on the more popular albums get more ratings than tracks on the less-popular albums. So, something like Dookie has had a lot of visitors to its album page and, as a result, a lot of people vote on the track-listing and therefore a lot of tracks from Dookie would qualify for the top-rated list.

I also agree great tracks like Good Vibrations (to keep that as the example), appear on less popular albums and because of this, haven't received as many ratings (and therefore haven't reached the minimum threshold number of votes to appear in the top-rated list).

I'm not sure what we can do to increase the number of ratings for tracks on the less-popular albums. But, as RFNAPLES kind of said, over time, these tracks will start appearing, it just needs more time and more people to vote.

To get around this issue, we could add some type of filter where you could choose the minimum number of votes when viewing a top-rated chart. For example, a top-rated tracks chart using five as the minimum number of votes would look a lot different to the current list (but, whilst including more tracks, would be statistically less significant).

Re: Boston better than the Beatles?

ffudnebbuh — Sun, 5 Sep 2010 07:23:57 GMT

Author: ffudnebbuh

Posted: 09/05/2010 11:23

"a day in the life" seems a perfect choice for #1 because I think that it reflects the taste of the membership....my point was I don't think that the best track chart represents the tastes of the BEA members yet..you have every song from "dookie" as Best Tracks which probably isn't accurate...as more people vote, it will reflect the BEA members taste. "Good vibrations" would seem to also fit the BEA members taste, since "pet sounds', is so popular with the membership, but because it is currently only on a less popular album, Smiley Smile, it doesn't get voted on.

Re: Boston better than the Beatles?

albummaster — Sun, 5 Sep 2010 07:12:22 GMT

Author: albummaster

Posted: 09/05/2010 11:12

yes, the main problem is not enough tracks have been rated yet, or have not had enough votes to appear in the top-rated chart (10 ratings per track needed).

I think the number of ratings is lower for tracks because we display tracks in less places than we display albums so there's probably less opportunity for people to vote. We also introduced track ratings onto the site at a later date than we did albums.

That being said, A Day in the Life is not *that* bad a choice at number one (not wanting to start a flame war!) and there are some great tracks listed in the top 100.

There is no manipulation of numbers here, so what you see is exactly how people have rated. So, if the chart is not how somebody likes, it is also because the collective opinion is different to people's individual tastes.

Re: Boston better than the Beatles?

ffudnebbuh — Sun, 5 Sep 2010 06:53:51 GMT

Author: ffudnebbuh

Posted: 09/05/2010 10:53

you're right.

Re: Boston better than the Beatles?

RFNAPLES — Sat, 4 Sep 2010 23:34:30 GMT

Author: RFNAPLES

Posted: 09/05/2010 03:34

ffudnebbuh unlike the albums chart which was seeded via the recognized charts, the tracks chart was not seeded. Eventually things may normalize but perhaps we can seed the track chart too.

Re: Boston better than the Beatles?

ffudnebbuh — Sat, 4 Sep 2010 22:41:57 GMT

Author: ffudnebbuh

Posted: 09/05/2010 02:41

I was thinking in terms of attracting people to this website...because no one votes for tracks. especially if they are only available on compilations, our best tracks chart looks pretty strange...if I was a potential new member, I would think twice about joining a music website which didn't contain some of the best songs on its "best song' chart.

Re: Boston better than the Beatles?

ffudnebbuh — Sat, 4 Sep 2010 17:20:30 GMT

Author: ffudnebbuh

Posted: 09/04/2010 21:20

I think that I realized why those songs are not on BEA's best track chart...most of them are only on greatest hits albums and I think that people are not going to those albums when they rate tracks...or are not on albums that are currently on BEAs album library....

Re: Boston better than the Beatles?

40footwolf — Sat, 4 Sep 2010 17:14:51 GMT

Author: 40footwolf

Posted: 09/04/2010 21:14

247joelnetwork wrote:

As an experiment, I voted for Pink Floyd's "Us & Them" and it jumped from 10th to 8th. That list is far from stable. I usually don't vote for tracks. Maybe we should all start. We can obliterate "More Than A Feeling" if we vote vote VOTE !!

I mean...I don't think it's actually that important 😕

Re: Boston better than the Beatles?

247joelnetwork — Sat, 4 Sep 2010 15:26:46 GMT

Author: 247joelnetwork

Posted: 09/04/2010 19:26

As an experiment, I voted for Pink Floyd's "Us & Them" and it jumped from 10th to 8th. That list is far from stable. I usually don't vote for tracks. Maybe we should all start. We can obliterate "More Than A Feeling" if we vote vote VOTE !!

Re: Boston better than the Beatles?

Anonymous — Sat, 4 Sep 2010 09:09:49 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 09/04/2010 13:09

Norman Bates wrote:

an_outlaw wrote:

The song is sensational 😁

You're not talking about "More Than A Feeling", right ? Cause it's awful.

Inspiration is never awful 😮 Plus this riff is great to play on guitar. 😜

Re: Boston better than the Beatles?

ffudnebbuh — Sat, 4 Sep 2010 09:06:10 GMT

Author: ffudnebbuh

Posted: 09/04/2010 13:06

Yes I am talking about that. I don't hate "More than a feeling", but I can think of 100 songs that I would rate better than that, such as "Hey Jude" or especially "Paint it black", "Good Vibrations" or "Paperback Writer" which I would rate in the all time top 25.

Re: Boston better than the Beatles?

Norman Bates — Sat, 4 Sep 2010 09:04:20 GMT

Author: Norman Bates

Posted: 09/04/2010 13:04

an_outlaw wrote:

The song is sensational 😁

You're not talking about "More Than A Feeling", right ? Cause it's awful.

Re: Boston better than the Beatles?

Anonymous — Sat, 4 Sep 2010 08:56:02 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 09/04/2010 12:56

The song is sensational 😁 And to think the song is a demo too!

But to vaguely answer the original post. Morn The A Feeling and Rock N Roll Band are the only two songs I listen to from Boston. For most people it would probably be the one song. Me and you know the case would be a lot different for artists of the other songs listed. 😉

Boston better than the Beatles?

ffudnebbuh — Sat, 4 Sep 2010 08:32:12 GMT

Author: ffudnebbuh

Posted: 09/04/2010 12:32

According to BEA, Boston's "More than a feeling' is ranked higher than these listed below. "More than a feeling" is ranked #495 on our list of 500 songs. The songs below are not even in the top 500.

Hey Jude
Paperback Writer
Rain
Day Tripper
Let it Be
We can work it out
Revolution
Get Back

Plus:
Good Vibrations
Paint it Black
Honky Tonk Woman
Satisfaction
Papa's got a brand new bag
Respect
Dock of the Bay
Black Angel's Death Song
I get around
Help me Rhonda
Dandelion
19th Nervous breakdown
etc..
Give me a break...