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Re: CLOSED: PPNW - SF2: Talk Talk def. Half Japanese

videoheadcleaner — Sat, 20 Jul 2013 00:05:34 GMT

Author: videoheadcleaner

Posted: 07/20/2013 04:05

They just keep on talkin'!

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Re: CLOSED: PPNW - SF2: Talk Talk def. Half Japanese

SquishypuffDave — Thu, 18 Jul 2013 01:31:21 GMT

Author: SquishypuffDave

Posted: 07/18/2013 05:31

Pre-Spirit of Eden Talk Talk still = my favourite pp/nw band. Ignoring their last 2 albums they'd still be one of my favourite bands and I'd still vote them to win this.

Re: CLOSED: PPNW - SF2: Talk Talk def. Half Japanese

videoheadcleaner — Wed, 17 Jul 2013 21:17:54 GMT

Author: videoheadcleaner

Posted: 07/18/2013 01:17

Colour Of Spring is my #1 as it blends both post-punk mentalities (lyrically and musically) with new wave foundations to create an album showing a band experimenting with their ideologies before moving onto post-rock pioneerism.

Early for me so that may make no sense.

Re: CLOSED: PPNW - SF2: Talk Talk def. Half Japanese

meccalecca — Wed, 17 Jul 2013 10:38:23 GMT

Author: meccalecca

Posted: 07/17/2013 14:38

Polythene Pam wrote:

I think your missing the point, I'm not interested in getting in a discussion about genres, I'm just pointing out that if you wanted to vote in the tournament based on the original rules then you should remove Spirit and LS from the equation.

Even if MBV is in as well O_o

Okay. i understand your point. Rules are rules. We can agree to disagree. it doesn't matter in the end, because it's doubtful I vote for Talk Talk against Wire, Talking Heads, Joy Division or New Order.

Re: CLOSED: PPNW - SF2: Talk Talk def. Half Japanese

meccalecca — Wed, 17 Jul 2013 10:32:09 GMT

Author: meccalecca

Posted: 07/17/2013 14:32

Necharsian wrote:

If Talk Talk had only made SoE and LS would they still be in this tourny?

(The answer is no btw)

I prefer The Colour of Spring over Laughing Stock. And I also prefer it over anything Half-Japanese did. I love Jad Fair in theory, but far less in execution.

We're also talking about a tourney that began with The National, Franz Ferdinand, Interpol, Iggy Pop, The Strokes, Bloc Party, Passion Pit, The Unicorns...etc

Re: CLOSED: PPNW - SF2: Talk Talk def. Half Japanese

Anonymous — Wed, 17 Jul 2013 10:28:14 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 07/17/2013 14:28

I think your missing the point, I'm not interested in getting in a discussion about genres, I'm just pointing out that if you wanted to vote in the tournament based on the original rules then you should remove Spirit and LS from the equation.

Even if MBV is in as well O_o

Re: CLOSED: PPNW - SF2: Talk Talk def. Half Japanese

meccalecca — Wed, 17 Jul 2013 10:22:01 GMT

Author: meccalecca

Posted: 07/17/2013 14:22

Polythene Pam wrote:

Congratulations. Now if you remember at the start of the tournament Harkan decided we would follow the definitions of RYM and Wiki if I recall correctly, look up Laughing Stock and Spirit, what genre are they classed as?

Also Hairymarx would have you believe Post Punk started in 69. I don't see why it couldn't be before Punk. It's just a name.

Sorry, I wasn't familiar with these very specific rules. But, Wiki credits Spirit of Eden as Art rock, experimental rock, jazz. So, would you accept Spirit of Eden being in a Jazz tournament? The fact is, at the time of their existence, Talk Talk was called a new wave band.

If you're going to say Spirit of Eden and Laughing Stock are post-rock, then we can discuss that the term post-rock didn't even exist until 1994.

"The term "post-rock" is believed to have been coined by critic Simon Reynolds in his review of Bark Psychosis' album Hex, published in the March 1994 issue of Mojo magazine." —Wikipedia

I just think it's funny to dismiss a band because they don't fit a very narrow-minded definition of the genre.

And well, the very definition of the term Post-Punk means "after punk," so of course Post-Punk didn't come before Punk. We can argue about the origin of punk, but I'd argue that a genre doesn't exist until it is given a name. Hairymarx can argue that one with me

as I said before, genre-classification is ambiguous.

Re: CLOSED: PPNW - SF2: Talk Talk def. Half Japanese

Necharsian — Wed, 17 Jul 2013 10:20:08 GMT

Author: Necharsian

Posted: 07/17/2013 14:20

meccalecca wrote:

If Talk Talk had only made SoE and LS would they still be in this tourny?

(The answer is no btw)

Re: CLOSED: PPNW - SF2: Talk Talk def. Half Japanese

Anonymous — Wed, 17 Jul 2013 10:03:08 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 07/17/2013 14:03

meccalecca wrote:

I totally disagree.

Re: CLOSED: PPNW - SF2: Talk Talk def. Half Japanese

meccalecca — Wed, 17 Jul 2013 09:49:52 GMT

Author: meccalecca

Posted: 07/17/2013 13:49

Polythene Pam wrote:

It is fair to dismiss the last two albums as they aren't even close to being New Wave or Post Punk.

I totally disagree. The original definitions of Post-Punk and New Wave are far more ambiguous than we like to see them as today. If anything, I see post-rock as a sub-genre of these 2 sub-genres. And here begins the argument that genres are meaningless. I personally believe Talk Talk began as a New Wave band and just continued to expand its limitations/possibilities.

If we're gonna argue about band discographies fitting within the context of the tournament, then where does Pink Flag fit? That album came out in 1977. Do we really wanna believe Post-Punk started the same year that The Sex Pistols and Clash released their debut records. Same thing with Marquee Moon.

Re: CLOSED: PPNW - SF2: Talk Talk def. Half Japanese

Anonymous — Tue, 16 Jul 2013 21:23:27 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 07/17/2013 01:23

meccalecca wrote:

I think it's unfair to dismiss their later material just because Talk Talk progressed and developed into what is now known as post rock. When they released Spirit of Eden, had anyone even used the term post-rock to describe a band? When did that term even come to existence.

Plus Colour of Spring is genius.

If TalkTalk doesn't count due to a sub-genre term coined after their existence, then couldn't we dismiss Half Japanese as lo-fi

It is fair to dismiss the last two albums as they aren't even close to being New Wave or Post Punk. It's unfortunate because just one of those albums is better than many New Wave or Post Punk discographies.

Re: CLOSED: PPNW - SF2: Talk Talk def. Half Japanese

Anonymous — Tue, 16 Jul 2013 19:38:14 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 07/16/2013 23:38

meccalecca wrote:

Have you heard their early recordings: Hardcore Volumes 1 & 2?

I have not, but holy schnitzel does it sound good!

Re: CLOSED: PPNW - SF2: Talk Talk def. Half Japanese

meccalecca — Tue, 16 Jul 2013 18:42:06 GMT

Author: meccalecca

Posted: 07/16/2013 22:42

nutso42 wrote:

I cannot in good conscience vote for a band that knocked Devo out of this tourney.

Talk Talk wins it for me, in that case.

Devo definitely deserved more love than they got.

Have you heard their early recordings: Hardcore Volumes 1 & 2?

Re: CLOSED: PPNW - SF2: Talk Talk def. Half Japanese

Anonymous — Tue, 16 Jul 2013 18:34:31 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 07/16/2013 22:34

I cannot in good conscience vote for a band that knocked Devo out of this tourney.

Talk Talk wins it for me, in that case.

Re: CLOSED: PPNW - SF2: Talk Talk def. Half Japanese

meccalecca — Tue, 16 Jul 2013 14:51:30 GMT

Author: meccalecca

Posted: 07/16/2013 18:51

Polythene Pam wrote:

Spirit Of Eden and Laughing Stock don't count. Stop voting for Talk Talk jeez!!!!!

Re: CLOSED: PPNW - SF2: Talk Talk def. Half Japanese

Facetious — Tue, 16 Jul 2013 13:24:11 GMT

Author: Facetious

Posted: 07/16/2013 17:24

First Chrome, now Half Japanese are against Talk Talk.

Damn it why does BEA like Talk Talk's pre-SOE stuff so much?

Re: CLOSED: PPNW - SF2: Talk Talk def. Half Japanese

Anonymous — Tue, 16 Jul 2013 08:59:46 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 07/16/2013 12:59

Spirit Of Eden and Laughing Stock don't count. Stop voting for Talk Talk jeez!!!!!

CLOSED: PPNW - SF2: Talk Talk def. Half Japanese

videoheadcleaner — Tue, 16 Jul 2013 08:51:47 GMT

Author: videoheadcleaner

Posted: 07/16/2013 12:51

TALK TALK (Coach: Mercurydylan89)

BEA Rank: 118

seeded (R1)
def. Chrome (R2)
def. The National (SF1)

PPNW?

Link

Vs.

HALF JAPANESE (Coach: Facetious [as Eggman])

BEA Rank: 5409

def. Foetus (R1)
def. Franz Ferdinand (R2)
def. Devo (SF1)

PPNW?

Link

YOU DECIDE!