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Re: Do you want lies with that?

19loveless91 — Wed, 7 Aug 2013 12:56:55 GMT

Author: 19loveless91

Posted: 08/07/2013 16:56

Jhereko wrote:

Trolling is definitely what I have in mind, it seems that pretty much everyone likes to do it to an extent. Other than that, and I guess it happens because I too often try to substitute the lack of communication IRL with talking to people online, I'm realizing how little people are willing to be honest about themselves, and they often just make shit up. So.. You know, I realize that a couple of times, and suddenly I don't know what or who to believe in anymore. That's what frustrates me. As does the thought that I'm being honest to somebody about myself while I know literally nothing about them.
Oh well, I know it's not exactly an "example", but I'm not sure how more particular I can be. But anyway, these days I just kinda stopped trusting whoever I talk to online, because I can't tell what's true and what isn't.

BTW I did mention this with totally random people, but I think even those that I know are less truthful over internet or other means of communication (but i guess that's logical)

Re: Do you want lies with that?

Anonymous — Tue, 6 Aug 2013 21:05:20 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 08/07/2013 01:05

19loveless91 wrote:

I dunno.. I guess I'm just naive and an easy target, but I find people lying to me all the time and frankly I don't know what or who to believe anymore. Internet especially. And it frustrates me. Is it just me?

Pretty much this. The internet has become this thing when you get ridiculed for trusting people and that's kind of disgusting. Not least because convincing someone of something being true is actually not a challenge at all when it's in text (literally anyone can do it). Now I'm mostly talking about trolling here but are you talking about people lying about other stuff like themselves? I never got that either. I think it's obviously a protection thing. Like the truth obviously still hurts so they'll cover it up...or am I on the wrong train of thought here? Gimme an example!

As for myself, I definitely lie in real life for personal gain, it's just one of those things. I'm a good liar and I've always done it (again only if it gains me something). But if someone finds out you'd lied myou're porobably gonna end up with less than you had before so it can definitely be a gamble. The personal gain bit is the part I don't get about people lying on the internet - what are you getting out of it?

Re: Do you want lies with that?

19loveless91 — Sat, 3 Aug 2013 16:56:11 GMT

Author: 19loveless91

Posted: 08/03/2013 20:56

SquishypuffDave wrote:

I do lie, perhaps sometimes when it's unjustified. I don't think the one word really covers the spectrum of communication. You can tell a truth in a deceptive way, and you can say something technically untrue in a way that conveys a broader truth (eg. all works of narrative fiction). I guess the crucial point is betraying trust. That's what I try to avoid.

I think a lie (as I understand the word) is the kind of a statement when you intentionally try to decept others for whatever reason. I don't think exaggerating while telling some stories is the same, and I would say the same for works of fiction. But I would say there's a thin line here - and is a matter of the discussion on how far can you take the "creative license" argument. We had the discussion about Argo on this forum, but there are many cases where the filmmakers seem to twist facts, not just to tell a more compelling story (or whatever), but also to decept the audience for a reason.

I personally get lying in cases where the truth will not benefit either person. And when the lie is about something that will be forgotten anyway and is just a waste to time to bother with the truth (I should think of some examples, this is confusing even me)

The lies I least understand are those elaborate lies when a person will make up entire alternate reality about something (sometimes even themselves). Not only is there work behind that, but what gain do you have of it? Feeling better about yourself.. by lying about yourself?

As for myself, I think I rarely lie, some white lies of course, and occasionally I sorta "adjust" the facts a bit while still technically telling the truth. Maybe that doesn't make sense.. I mean for example when you take responsibility for something you've done but you don't tell the full story as to why or how you have done it? If you know what I mean...

Re: Do you want lies with that?

SquishypuffDave — Sat, 3 Aug 2013 16:20:44 GMT

Author: SquishypuffDave

Posted: 08/03/2013 20:20

I do lie, perhaps sometimes when it's unjustified. I don't think the one word really covers the spectrum of communication. You can tell a truth in a deceptive way, and you can say something technically untrue in a way that conveys a broader truth (eg. all works of narrative fiction). I guess the crucial point is betraying trust. That's what I try to avoid.

Re: Do you want lies with that?

Anonymous — Sat, 3 Aug 2013 14:15:29 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 08/03/2013 18:15

I think I'm quite a truthful person, I found that usually when I lied it came back to bite me in someway.
But of course we slip lies into every conversation, just ones we don't even care to notice - such exaggeration when retelling an anecdote, we're all guilty of that, no man on this planet will tell everything exactly as it happened.

Not lying also has the benefit of building yourself as trustworthy, which means you can lie when it really matters and have it work.

And, hopefully, as a given - I white-lie plenty.

Re: Do you want lies with that?

SamuelPear — Sat, 3 Aug 2013 14:09:03 GMT

Author: SamuelPear

Posted: 08/03/2013 18:09

Because sometimes... the truth isn't good enough... Sometimes people deserve more... Sometimes people deserve to have their faith rewarded

Re: Do you want lies with that?

Anonymous — Sat, 3 Aug 2013 10:11:58 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 08/03/2013 14:11

19loveless91 wrote:

Would you say you tell lies a lot? Do you find it amusing to trick people in believing something that isn't true? If you tell lies, what do you usually aim to gain with that? Are your lies elaborate? Are they usually just white lies? Or are you the "tell a stupid thing and be "lol i trol u"" kind of a person?

I try to avoid lying unless I think it serves the greater good, which isn't that often. I don't think people lie to me very often either, but your post got me thinking, because there's no way I could be sure that I'm not being lied to all the time.

The only person for whom it would really matter all that much is my wife. If she was lying to me often, that could cause a lot of damage. Otherwise, when it comes to information, like news, gossip, etc., I'm pretty DIY, so people lying about that wouldn't have much impact anyway. If people lied to me about what they thought of me (and they probably do), that wouldn't matter much either, cause I don't listen unless there's a lot of consistency from one person to the next.

I guess I try to avoid having to trust people (other than my wife) for important things as much as possible.

Re: Do you want lies with that?

19loveless91 — Sat, 3 Aug 2013 09:25:11 GMT

Author: 19loveless91

Posted: 08/03/2013 13:25

Necharsian wrote:

Lolol people are natural liarsz. Lying is the best thing. Gains = avoiding negative feeling or gaining possiyibe ones. Not hard l. Why wouldn't you lien at all chancccces

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fA8nrLoSbFc&t=1m52s
(spoilers for a WKUK sketch if you care)

Re: Do you want lies with that?

Mother Nature's Son — Sat, 3 Aug 2013 09:08:44 GMT

Author: Mother Nature's Son

Posted: 08/03/2013 13:08

I voted "only for my personal gain". I'm usually only using it to "avoid" problems (or to postpone them). Of course, I also lie when I'm being ironic/sarcastic, if that counts.

George Costanza is my idol when it comes to lying:

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Re: Do you want lies with that?

Anonymous — Sat, 3 Aug 2013 08:36:03 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 08/03/2013 12:36

I don't lie for fun, although If it will affect me in anyway I deem positive then I have no qualms about it.

Re: Do you want lies with that?

Necharsian — Sat, 3 Aug 2013 05:12:27 GMT

Author: Necharsian

Posted: 08/03/2013 09:12

Lolol people are natural liarsz. Lying is the best thing. Gains = avoiding negative feeling or gaining possiyibe ones. Not hard l. Why wouldn't you lien at all chancccces

Re: Do you want lies with that?

Anonymous — Sat, 3 Aug 2013 03:27:34 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 08/03/2013 07:27

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Do you want lies with that?

19loveless91 — Sat, 3 Aug 2013 03:26:47 GMT

Author: 19loveless91

Posted: 08/03/2013 07:26

Would you say you tell lies a lot? Do you find it amusing to trick people in believing something that isn't true? If you tell lies, what do you usually aim to gain with that? Are your lies elaborate? Are they usually just white lies? Or are you the "tell a stupid thing and be "lol i trol u"" kind of a person?

I dunno.. I guess I'm just naive and an easy target, but I find people lying to me all the time and frankly I don't know what or who to believe anymore. Internet especially. And it frustrates me. Is it just me?

Final question: who do you think will lie in this thread about lying (or not lying)? I think the poll and this thread are a bit of a paradox 🤔