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Re: Tell us about some Post-Rock albums.

meruizh — Tue, 20 Aug 2013 19:14:53 GMT

Author: meruizh

Posted: 08/20/2013 23:14

Slow Riot for New Zerø Kanada -- Godspeed You! Black Emperor

What brilliant, amazing, astonishing, great EP

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Re: Tell us about some Post-Rock albums.

SuedeSwede — Tue, 20 Aug 2013 17:40:07 GMT

Author: SuedeSwede

Posted: 08/20/2013 21:40

Agaetis Byrjun
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Re: Tell us about some Post-Rock albums.

meccalecca — Tue, 20 Aug 2013 15:01:24 GMT

Author: meccalecca

Posted: 08/20/2013 19:01

dividesbyzero wrote:

But do we? With everyone seemingly holding their own definition of post-rock (and with some just listening for a post-rock "feel"), then what one person declares as being post-rock someone might define otherwise. Neither party is necessarily wrong, but nor are they definitively right. I've heard many arguments for Kid A being post-rock, but that doesn't mean I have to alter my definition of post-rock to include Kid A

we don't really. I was basically just saying that there's no real reason to even argue with someone about whether or not something's post-rock. it's too vague. and who cares.

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Well at least we know that they should come out of dominantly rock-oriented musical scenes. I don't think those two are "counter-results" of those kinda scenes.

very good point. I never thought of either as post-rock really, but they also don't exactly fit within another realm all that well.

Re: Tell us about some Post-Rock albums.

Anonymous — Tue, 20 Aug 2013 14:48:21 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 08/20/2013 18:48

dividesbyzero wrote:

Ahh I was wondering if someone would mention FMTM. Their former bassist now teaches at a local high school around here. I've met him several times. Cool guy, and was the first to get me into GY!BE.

Coo!

Re: Tell us about some Post-Rock albums.

Anonymous — Tue, 20 Aug 2013 14:47:00 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 08/20/2013 18:47

meccalecca wrote:

it's just like all sub-genres of music. there are no clearly defined boundaries. if someone calls something post-rock, we have to accept it. Is Julianna Barwick post-rock, or Four Tet? I have no clue.

Well at least we know that they should come out of dominantly rock-oriented musical scenes. I don't think those two are "counter-results" of those kinda scenes.
EDIT: Julianna Barwick's new album is due out . . . today!

Re: Tell us about some Post-Rock albums.

Anonymous — Tue, 20 Aug 2013 14:45:14 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 08/20/2013 18:45

meccalecca wrote:

if someone calls something post-rock, we have to accept it

Re: Tell us about some Post-Rock albums.

meccalecca — Tue, 20 Aug 2013 14:30:02 GMT

Author: meccalecca

Posted: 08/20/2013 18:30

dividesbyzero wrote:

Ahh I was wondering if someone would mention FMTM. Their former bassist now teaches at a local high school around here. I've met him several times. Cool guy, and was the first to get me into GY!BE.

Anyway, I have a question. When people are talking about post-rock, are they going by the original definition coined by Simon Reynolds (the one upon which I believe tekin's chart is based), or has the definition changed over time. At what point does post-rock become simply "instrumental rock" or ambient or math rock (etc)? Are there solid boundaries? Because it seems like everybody has their own idea of what constitutes post-rock. Also if we want a way to define the establishing bands of the genre, we need to think of something better than "proto-post-rock"

Re: Tell us about some Post-Rock albums.

Anonymous — Tue, 20 Aug 2013 14:25:29 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 08/20/2013 18:25

tekin wrote:

I think you would like From Monuments to Masses, esp. their last album "On Little Known Frequencies". Also read the (culturally diverse 😁 ) trio's interview with Wired, it's good: http://www.wired.com/underwire/2009/03/decoding-from-m/

Re: Tell us about some Post-Rock albums.

meccalecca — Tue, 20 Aug 2013 14:04:34 GMT

Author: meccalecca

Posted: 08/20/2013 18:04

Defago wrote:

I dunno, the whole "nobody knows who we are" is like crafting legends out of themselves, which is pretentious IMO. But then again we can't really know their motives, they might just want to be left unknown.

but if no one knows who you are, how can you bask in the glory?

a lot of people think they were very well known and respected artists. I think they may not even be the same people. i think what they built is something that can never die

Re: Tell us about some Post-Rock albums.

Defago — Tue, 20 Aug 2013 13:53:40 GMT

Author: Defago

Posted: 08/20/2013 17:53

I dunno, the whole "nobody knows who we are" is like crafting legends out of themselves, which is pretentious IMO. But then again we can't really know their motives, they might just want to be left unknown.

Re: Tell us about some Post-Rock albums.

meccalecca — Tue, 20 Aug 2013 13:35:29 GMT

Author: meccalecca

Posted: 08/20/2013 17:35

Defago wrote:

I wouldn't know how to define "pretentiousness" exactly. There are albums I consider pretentious which I like, though I mostly use it as a negative adjective for stuff I dislike. I'd say ELP is pretentious, for example. Or Scott Walker's latter albums. Or The Residents. I find the former to be too ambitious and overblown and "look at what I can do" without delivering much, while The Residents are just as ambitious and overblown, but they do deliver what they mean to.

I've never heard anyone call The Residents pretentious. Can a group of masked artists be pretentious? Like, wouldn't they want their identities known if they were pretentious?

I'm not trying to argue. I just think it's an interesting question.

Re: Tell us about some Post-Rock albums.

Defago — Tue, 20 Aug 2013 13:28:06 GMT

Author: Defago

Posted: 08/20/2013 17:28

AlexZangari wrote:

The Defago definition of pretentious: "anything that sounds artsy but I don't like."

Re: Tell us about some Post-Rock albums.

meccalecca — Tue, 20 Aug 2013 11:36:23 GMT

Author: meccalecca

Posted: 08/20/2013 15:36

Defago wrote:

Um, yeah. Giving my opinion here. I love good post-rock to death, but it has some of the worst, most boring, most pretentious, avantgarde wannabe albums.

Agreed. Post Rock and Prog have that in common. They can produce the most pretentious wankers.

From what I've heard, as much as I like them, the guys from Tortoise are insanely pretentious. but at least they're good

Re: Tell us about some Post-Rock albums.

AlexZangari — Tue, 20 Aug 2013 11:02:40 GMT

Author: AlexZangari

Posted: 08/20/2013 15:02

The Defago definition of pretentious: "anything that sounds artsy but I don't like."

Re: Tell us about some Post-Rock albums.

Defago — Tue, 20 Aug 2013 09:36:10 GMT

Author: Defago

Posted: 08/20/2013 13:36

Gowienczyk wrote:

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but also for very pretentious douches and very boring music.

Was this jab even necessary?

Um, yeah. Giving my opinion here. I love good post-rock to death, but it has some of the worst, most boring, most pretentious, avantgarde wannabe albums.

Re: Tell us about some Post-Rock albums.

mickilennial — Tue, 20 Aug 2013 09:05:02 GMT

Author: mickilennial

Posted: 08/20/2013 13:05

Quote:

but also for very pretentious douches and very boring music.

Was this jab even necessary?

Re: Tell us about some Post-Rock albums.

Defago — Tue, 20 Aug 2013 08:46:54 GMT

Author: Defago

Posted: 08/20/2013 12:46

The way I see it, in progressive rock the music becomes the message itself, instead of a mean to communicate. As such, there is much complexity in the melodies (though not so many in the harmonies), with heavy use of modal keys and tempo and key changes. Quick tempos and impressive solos are also trademarks. There's also a penchant for very clean production.

Post-rock, IMO, and according to wiki to an extent, is the use of traditional rock instrumentation to make texture based music. This means, instead of having a guitar play chords, a bass play the bass notes and the drums play a constant beat, you have a guitar, a bass and a drumkit working together to achieve a certain atmosphere or texture. In a way, post-rock musicians aren't playing guitar traditionally, they're using a guitar to make pleasant sounds. This enables for very interesting sounds, but also for very pretentious douches and very boring music. It's pretty hard to define what is and what isn't post rock, though. There are MANY different bands playing way differently between them but which all fit as ''post rock''.

I feel as if post-rock had this kind of spectrum. On one end, you have Talk Talk influenced post-rock, more jazzy and minimal. On the other end, you have more Slint influenced post-rock, way more hardcore and rock based. Almost every post-rock record takes influence off both, but usually more from one side than the other, so I usually place them in my mental spectrum and order them as such. Storm & Stress, Don Caballero and most of David Pajo's projects are more hardcoreish, whereas Stereolab or Dirty Three have a more jazzy feel to them.

Just my two cents.

Re: Tell us about some Post-Rock albums.

mickilennial — Tue, 20 Aug 2013 08:27:28 GMT

Author: mickilennial

Posted: 08/20/2013 12:27

65daysofstatic - The Fall of Math
Blueneck - Scars of the Midwest
British Sea Power - Man of Aran
Don Caballero - World Class Listening Problem
Early Day Miners - Offshore
Efterklang - Tripper
Exxasens - Polaris
Gifts From Enola - Loyal Eyes Betrayed the Mind
God Is an Astronaut - Far From Refuge
Grails - Burning Off Impurities
Hope of the States - The Lost Riots
Red Sparowes - The Fear Is Excruciating, but Therein Lies the Answer
Swans - Soundtracks for the Blind
Toe - The Book About My Idle Plot on a Vague Anxiety

I've mentioned these before. I like them a lot.

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What's the difference between post-rock and prog-rock? They both seem to incorporate complex, if existent song structuring; often skew on experimental, tend to be lengthier in terms of track duration, and often borders and exceeds self-indulgence.

Traditional Progressive Rock doesn't originate from the post-punk movement nor incorporates complex textures; also Post-Rock isn't really complex in it's time signatures. It's more rooted into experimental music and ambient/avant-garde complexes.

Re: Tell us about some Post-Rock albums.

Anonymous — Mon, 19 Aug 2013 23:02:08 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 08/20/2013 03:02

HoldenM wrote:

And they're both pretty stagnant too. But aside from that they sound nothing alike, so that probably makes the genre distinction.

Re: Tell us about some Post-Rock albums.

HoldenM — Mon, 19 Aug 2013 18:04:21 GMT

Author: HoldenM

Posted: 08/19/2013 22:04

What's the difference between post-rock and prog-rock? They both seem to incorporate complex, if existent song structuring; often skew on experimental, tend to be lengthier in terms of track duration, and often borders and exceeds self-indulgence.

What others classify as post, I'd say I'm a fan of...
-The Antlers - Hospice
-Explosions in the Sky - The Earth Is Not a Cold Dead Place
-Sigur Ros - Agaetis byrjun
-Sigur Ros - ( )
-Godspeed You! Black Emperor - Lift Your Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven
-Swans - The Seer
-Swans - My Father Will Guide Me from a Rope to the Sky
-Slint - Spiderland
-Deafheaven - Sunbather

And other albums I can't think of at the moment.