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Re: The Biggest Rip-offs in Music.

benpaco — Fri, 30 Aug 2013 21:12:33 GMT

Author: benpaco

Posted: 08/31/2013 01:12

I forgot my favorite youtube video ever!
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Re: The Biggest Rip-offs in Music.

rayword45 — Fri, 30 Aug 2013 19:12:38 GMT

Author: rayword45

Posted: 08/30/2013 23:12

Here's another case of "not that original of a riff" but it comes to mind first.

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And to do a half-reverse (I don't think it's that much of a rip-off but many people disagree)

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And to continue the chain (this is one of the best songs off the too-country Sea Change IMO, in fact this is me pushing the whole "rip-off" thing too far)

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Now, if someone could find a song that Nick Drake ripped off, that would be fantastic

Re: The Biggest Rip-offs in Music.

Anonymous — Fri, 30 Aug 2013 15:12:52 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 08/30/2013 19:12

sp4cetiger wrote:

Okay, well then the Lady Madonna example you gave sounds more like the former to me, as well. It sounds like a '90s band incorporating a well-known melody from the '60s into their own sound. I mean, where do we draw the line? The chord progression in "And Your Bird Can Sing" is almost identical to the chord progression in "Sorrow", but that's just chalked up to influence? Influence to me is more like borrowing basic notions of song structure, instrumentation, sound-mixing, or even tone from another artist. To me, it's only influence if describing the parallels requires something more than a cursory listen. Otherwise it falls under the umbrella of copying.

But I guess that's just semantics.

Re: The Biggest Rip-offs in Music.

HazeyTwilight — Fri, 30 Aug 2013 15:00:26 GMT

Author: HazeyTwilight

Posted: 08/30/2013 19:00

I always thought that these songs sounded identical:

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Re: The Biggest Rip-offs in Music.

cattlest — Fri, 30 Aug 2013 14:54:23 GMT

Author: cattlest

Posted: 08/30/2013 18:54

just to elaborate, it's not so much stealing a song melody, but more a singing style.

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^also wondering if this was inspiration for Edward Scissorhands[/url]

Re: The Biggest Rip-offs in Music.

Anonymous — Fri, 30 Aug 2013 13:47:23 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 08/30/2013 17:47

I think Jim Jarmusch said it best. Rip off what you want, just do it cleverly and when you're truly inspired or you want just to be playful. It's the post-modern era bitch.

Re: The Biggest Rip-offs in Music.

Anonymous — Fri, 30 Aug 2013 13:17:50 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 08/30/2013 17:17

Romanelli wrote:

Aside from the examples already given, aside from the lawsuit that Lennon lost to Chuck Berry's publisher over the opening lyric of "Come Together", and aside from Harrison's "Something" lifting the opening line from James Taylor's "Something In The Way She Moves" (Taylor had just signed with Apple), how much more would you require?

Quite a bit if you're going to back up your claim that the Beatles were among the greatest thieves in musical history. I don't view influence as equivalent to theft. The examples that Swedenman gave sound more like the former to me... admittedly the songs have some superficial similarities, but not so strong that I would say that they stole the spirit of the original. I acknowledge that the Chuck Berry example sits more in the theft category, but that's the only one I'd use that word for. Certainly not using the title of a James Taylor song as a starting point for "Something." 😜

And, to be honest, I don't agree with the "everything is stolen" statements that are being thrown around here. Most artists that I know take extreme pride in originality -- they may take ideas and influence from other artists, but ultimately don't want to sound like anyone else. Maybe it's just that the line between "theft" and "influence" is quite different for me than for you, but let's not paint the Beatles as the '60s equivalent of Vanilla Ice.

Re: The Biggest Rip-offs in Music.

Anonymous — Fri, 30 Aug 2013 13:06:56 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 08/30/2013 17:06

Jhereko wrote:

another pretty well known beatles one

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That one was acknowledged by Thom Yorke, at least 🤣

Re: The Biggest Rip-offs in Music.

Romanelli — Fri, 30 Aug 2013 12:26:14 GMT

Author: Romanelli

Posted: 08/30/2013 16:26

sp4cetiger wrote:

Please elaborate.

Re: The Biggest Rip-offs in Music.

meccalecca — Fri, 30 Aug 2013 12:12:03 GMT

Author: meccalecca

Posted: 08/30/2013 16:12

ppnw wrote:

Tell that to The Greatest Pioneer of Internet Content and Artificial Intelligence Of All Times

hahahaha. he'd definitely put me in my place, explaining that i know nothing about creativity.

from my own studies of art history (BFA in Fine art and 5 years publishing 3 major Art magazines), I personally believe that for someone to be 100% original, they have to know nothing about the creative process. basically only a brain dead person or someone who has lived in a bubble can create something that has not at all been influenced by what came before.

Re: The Biggest Rip-offs in Music.

Anonymous — Fri, 30 Aug 2013 12:05:24 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 08/30/2013 16:05

meccalecca wrote:

i think anyone who complains too much about originality is fooling themselves.

Tell that to The Greatest Pioneer of Internet Content and Artificial Intelligence Of All Times

Re: The Biggest Rip-offs in Music.

meccalecca — Fri, 30 Aug 2013 11:59:40 GMT

Author: meccalecca

Posted: 08/30/2013 15:59

swedenman wrote:

Well sure. I don't mean to say that, just that The Beatles song wasn't completely original.

understood.

i think anyone who complains too much about originality is fooling themselves. Pretty much all art borrows or responds to what came before it. Even artists such as Faust or Kraftwerk who seem totally original in relation to 60s rock bands were still borrowing from or inspired by previous musicians.

Re: The Biggest Rip-offs in Music.

Anonymous — Fri, 30 Aug 2013 11:51:16 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 08/30/2013 15:51

another pretty well known beatles one

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Re: The Biggest Rip-offs in Music.

Anonymous — Fri, 30 Aug 2013 11:46:46 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 08/30/2013 15:46

meccalecca wrote:

To be fair. The Byrds version of Bells of Rhymney was a cover of a Pete Seeger song, so it's not like their version was original either. I do love that song though.

Well sure. I don't mean to say that, just that The Beatles song wasn't completely original.

Re: The Biggest Rip-offs in Music.

meccalecca — Fri, 30 Aug 2013 11:35:32 GMT

Author: meccalecca

Posted: 08/30/2013 15:35

swedenman wrote:

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To be fair. The Byrds version of Bells of Rhymney was a cover of a Pete Seeger song, so it's not like their version was original either. I do love that song though.

Re: The Biggest Rip-offs in Music.

Anonymous — Fri, 30 Aug 2013 11:30:11 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 08/30/2013 15:30

sp4cetiger wrote:

Please elaborate.

Just a couple examples:

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Re: The Biggest Rip-offs in Music.

Anonymous — Fri, 30 Aug 2013 11:00:15 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 08/30/2013 15:00

Romanelli wrote:

Some of the biggest thieves in music themselves, they were.

Please elaborate.

Re: The Biggest Rip-offs in Music.

Romanelli — Fri, 30 Aug 2013 10:56:03 GMT

Author: Romanelli

Posted: 08/30/2013 14:56

sp4cetiger wrote:

People like to steal from the Beatles.

Some of the biggest thieves in music themselves, they were.

Re: The Biggest Rip-offs in Music.

meccalecca — Fri, 30 Aug 2013 10:49:31 GMT

Author: meccalecca

Posted: 08/30/2013 14:49

Bob Dylan's whole career was founded on ripping off other songs. He even ripped off his own songs. he just did it so well it didn't matter.

Neil Young's "Borrowed Tune" is a brilliant, honest rip off of Rolling Stones' "Lady Jane"

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Re: The Biggest Rip-offs in Music.

Anonymous — Fri, 30 Aug 2013 07:44:50 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 08/30/2013 11:44

AgainstMeAgainstYou wrote:

Tears Dry on Their Own is the exact same song as Ain't No Mountain High Enough.

That's the point.