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Re: What defines post-hardcore?

MrFrogger — Tue, 10 Sep 2013 01:11:13 GMT

Author: MrFrogger

Posted: 09/10/2013 05:11

19loveless91 wrote:

JMan needs to do genre based custom charts. Without getting informed about the genres first, just going by his idea of them.

It would be the best thing ever.

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Re: What defines post-hardcore?

Anonymous — Tue, 10 Sep 2013 01:01:41 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 09/10/2013 05:01

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Re: What defines post-hardcore?

19loveless91 — Tue, 10 Sep 2013 00:55:19 GMT

Author: 19loveless91

Posted: 09/10/2013 04:55

JMan needs to do genre based custom charts. Without getting informed about the genres first, just going by his idea of them.

It would be the best thing ever.

Re: What defines post-hardcore?

creator — Mon, 9 Sep 2013 22:49:52 GMT

Author: creator

Posted: 09/10/2013 02:49

rayword45 wrote:

And then all those Rise Records bands that have the same label?

Those bands are partially influenced by post-hardcore bands like Refused and At the Drive-In, so they experience hardcore-punk secondhand; however, they replace the post-punk or experimental aspects with metal breakdowns and pop punk choruses. The energy is still there, but it's more Metallica than Wire.

Re: What defines post-hardcore?

rayword45 — Mon, 9 Sep 2013 22:25:54 GMT

Author: rayword45

Posted: 09/10/2013 02:25

And then all those Rise Records bands that have the same label?

When I use emo as a pejorative, I think modern emo music. I wouldn't compare Sunny Day Real Estate or Rites of Spring to anything teenage goth chicks today listen to.

Re: What defines post-hardcore?

rayword45 — Mon, 9 Sep 2013 22:24:29 GMT

Author: rayword45

Posted: 09/10/2013 02:24

And then all those Rise Records bands that have the same label?

When I use emo as a pejorative, I think modern emo music. I wouldn't compare Sunny Day Real Estate or Rites of Spring to anything teenage goth chicks today listen to.

Re: What defines post-hardcore?

Anonymous — Mon, 9 Sep 2013 22:02:45 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 09/10/2013 02:02

creator wrote:

Close! It's post-hardcore punk. 😁

Most post-hardcore bands take the energy from hardcore punk bands (Black Flag, Dead Kennedys, Bad Brains) and combine it with elements from other genres like experimental rock, post punk, etc. I've always considered it more melodic than hardcore punk.

This is an excellent definition.

Also, it's kind of funny you metioned emo in your initial post rayword, since post-hardcore had one of the first, if not the first, emo band in Rites of Spring, whose lead singer Guy Picciotto was also in Fugazi. They're only album is excellent. But really, post-hardcore is in a lot of ways a more experimental version of hardcore. It's often not as fast and the vocals aren't always a scream (that's not a knock against hardcore though). It's a genre that just ecompases a lot of bands and a lot of sounds. For example, Dismemberment Plan and Fugazi are both labeled Post-Hardcore, but they sound very little a like.

Re: What defines post-hardcore?

creator — Mon, 9 Sep 2013 21:54:54 GMT

Author: creator

Posted: 09/10/2013 01:54

rayword45 wrote:

"Hardcore post-punk" works for bands like Fugazi, The Jesus Lizard, Big Black and Slint, along with many others. Those I understand the post-hardcore tag.

Re: What defines post-hardcore?

Anonymous — Mon, 9 Sep 2013 21:44:11 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 09/10/2013 01:44

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Re: What defines post-hardcore?

Anonymous — Mon, 9 Sep 2013 21:43:50 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 09/10/2013 01:43

jman, stop saying the n word, but thanks for posting in this thread

Re: What defines post-hardcore?

Anonymous — Mon, 9 Sep 2013 21:34:56 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 09/10/2013 01:34

Hey, hey, people! 🤣 I said I know practically nothing about the genre! Cut me some slack! 🙁 Why don't you tell me and not just Ray? Great, now I'm AotD 1027...

Re: What defines post-hardcore?

Anonymous — Mon, 9 Sep 2013 21:34:44 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 09/10/2013 01:34

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Re: What defines post-hardcore?

Anonymous — Mon, 9 Sep 2013 21:33:46 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 09/10/2013 01:33

JMan wrote:

I guess anything that sounds like a mix of Led Zeppelin and Nickleback. Personally, I'd call this post-hard rock:

Link

But I know little about the genre. I'm just throwing in my two cents.

Jman, you don't have any cents.

Re: What defines post-hardcore?

MrFrogger — Mon, 9 Sep 2013 21:31:54 GMT

Author: MrFrogger

Posted: 09/10/2013 01:31

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Re: What defines post-hardcore?

Anonymous — Mon, 9 Sep 2013 21:26:51 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 09/10/2013 01:26

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Re: What defines post-hardcore?

Jasonconfused — Mon, 9 Sep 2013 21:25:54 GMT

Author: Jasonconfused

Posted: 09/10/2013 01:25

Def Leppard is really as post-hardcore as you can get. Except maybe Europe.

Re: What defines post-hardcore?

Anonymous — Mon, 9 Sep 2013 21:20:27 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 09/10/2013 01:20

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Re: What defines post-hardcore?

Anonymous — Mon, 9 Sep 2013 21:19:35 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 09/10/2013 01:19

I guess anything that sounds like a mix of Led Zeppelin and Nickleback. Personally, I'd call this post-hard rock because it's a hard rock song made after the whole "hard rock: scene was gone:

Link

But I know little about the genre. I'm just throwing in my two cents.

What defines post-hardcore?

rayword45 — Mon, 9 Sep 2013 20:45:47 GMT

Author: rayword45

Posted: 09/10/2013 00:45

This is something I've been pondering for a while. What defines post-hardcore music as a whole? I imagine it as the hardcore version of post-punk, but that doesn't always work.

"Hardcore post-punk" works for bands like Fugazi, The Jesus Lizard, Big Black and Slint, along with many others. Those I understand the post-hardcore tag.

Then we have modern post-hardcore bands like Pierce The Veil, Escape The Fate, From First To Last, or pretty much anything on Rise Records. These don't sound like the above bands at all, they sound like wimpy emo faux-metal that sucks.

And... Obvious bias aside, can anyone answer this question?