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Re: Music reviews about the Cure

Anonymous — Tue, 4 Feb 2014 16:06:07 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 02/04/2014 21:06

The best album by The Cure is the one with all the hit songs. 'Greatest Hits' or 'Disintegration' depending on who you ask.

Re: Music reviews about the Cure

Anonymous — Sun, 2 Feb 2014 20:20:11 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 02/03/2014 01:20

The Cure is a great group, but I wouldn't give any one of their albums a 5/5.

Outside of "Disintegration", which is a 4.5/5, the others all seem to be a 4/5.

Re: Music reviews about the Cure

SuedeSwede — Sun, 2 Feb 2014 20:02:23 GMT

Author: SuedeSwede

Posted: 02/03/2014 01:02

Trickington wrote:

I find that listening to critics is a waste of time unless you have a similar mindset to them.

Just enjoy the music that you love and don't listen to or hold a grudge against others' opinions.

Precisely. I don't know why you should get caught up in the fact that critics don't like those three albums you do. All that matters is that you like those albums and you get personal satisfaction from it. Whether or not critics like it should be irrelevant.

Re: Music reviews about the Cure

Trickington — Sun, 2 Feb 2014 20:00:19 GMT

Author: Trickington

Posted: 02/03/2014 01:00

I find that listening to critics is a waste of time unless you have a similar mindset to them.

Just enjoy the music that you love and don't listen to or hold a grudge against others' opinions.

Re: Music reviews about the Cure

Mercury — Sun, 2 Feb 2014 15:09:32 GMT

Author: Mercury

Posted: 02/02/2014 20:09

meccalecca wrote:

I almost agree with that actually. I prefer the Wild Hunt of the three, but Shallow Grave was fresh, felt like something new. For me, There's No Leaving Now felt like he was re-writing the same songs (to his credit, they're good songs). I'd maybe give Shallow and There's No Leaving 4's and Wild Hunt a 4.5. I'd love to see him expand. Right now I feel like he's in the same zone as Beach House. Everything is good (which is hard to complain about) but has started to sound the same.

I see what you mean generally. Personally I see his discog as starting with a beautiful sound that he perfected on The Wild Hunt. Then he changed more the feel of his music and the mood with the EP Sometimes The Blues Is Just A Passing Bird. I feel that EP along with The Wild Hunt is about as great as it gets. With his most recent LP There's No Leaving Now he has changed his sound quite a bit. I mean its mostly in terms that it feels a lot less austere and natural, more produced and more ballads and less fingerpicking earthy feels. It also has substantially more production and varied instrumentation.

I do agree that if I wasn't a fanboy who has listened to every release of his over between 50 and 150 times, I probably would see his sound as staying basically the same. I would love to see a big change if it is well executed. Part of me wants him to not fix what's not broken and part of me wants to see him totally surprise me.

And the comparison to Beach House in that regard is pretty spot on.

Re: Music reviews about the Cure

Norman Bates — Sun, 2 Feb 2014 14:58:01 GMT

Author: Norman Bates

Posted: 02/02/2014 19:58

loverofmusic wrote:

First, I'm a big fan of the Cure,

So am I

loverofmusic wrote:

and one thing that bothers me about them is how the critics feel about them. It seems like critics vastly underappreciate the Cure.

huh?

loverofmusic wrote:

For example, Seventeen Seconds, Faith & Pornography received mixed to negative reviews back in the day.

[ref. needed]

loverofmusic wrote:

(...)Pornography & Disintegration(both of which DEFINITELY deserve a 5-star score

, No. Seventeen Seconds does though.

loverofmusic wrote:

Also, the Cure is not in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. WTF? How can a great band like the Cure not be in the R & R Hall of Fame?

Frankly, if you're a fan like me, you're probably very pleased with this situation. It can mean that 1) they're not dead 2) they're not finished. Let's be glad.

loverofmusic wrote:

It seems like the critics don't care for the Cure, and never give them the respect that they deserve.

You are kidding. Or you just have a short view. The Cure are revered in France for instance.

loverofmusic wrote:

Furthermore, what makes things worse is that Green Day & Blink 182, of all bands, have received better reviews than the Cure from critics. 😮 What the hell?

It's a good sign. You don't want The Cure to receive the same reviews as Sum 41 for sure.

loverofmusic wrote:

Overall, does anybody know why this happens? Why is it that timeless classics such as Seventeen Seconds & Faith receive average to poor reviews, and Green Day & Blink 182 get better reviews by the Cure?

The world is waiting for you.

Re: Music reviews about the Cure

benpaco — Sun, 2 Feb 2014 14:43:56 GMT

Author: benpaco

Posted: 02/02/2014 19:43

Dingerbell wrote:

I'm not sure why you care.

Link

I know it's video games but this applies to everything, as far as I'm concerned. (Some NSFW language if any of you had littluns running around)

Re: Music reviews about the Cure

Anonymous — Sun, 2 Feb 2014 14:21:22 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 02/02/2014 19:21

meccalecca wrote:

Many great bands were slighted by critics. It is what it is. Time has treated the Cure very well. They've grown to have one of the best cult fanbases of any rock band in history. They still can sell out major tours and get high billing on festivals. I wouldn't worry too much. Pretty much any diehard fan of rock music knows that The Cure is one of the all time greats.

Yeah this.

Now, when the fuck are Scritti Politti gonna get the acclaim they deserve?

Re: Music reviews about the Cure

loverofmusic — Sun, 2 Feb 2014 14:14:29 GMT

Author: loverofmusic

Posted: 02/02/2014 19:14

swedenman wrote:

I mean, it's cool that you like those albums, but you can't expect those opinions to be universal. It's not like they're The Beatles or Bob Dylan. The Cure is a popular band, but not that many critics would call them legendary. That's just the popular opinion.

And I'm not sure what you're going on about with Green Day and Blink-182. The Cure received four 4.5 star ratings from Allmusic, Green Day received two and one 5 star rating (which is American Idiot, so I wouldn't take that particular review that seriously). Blink-182 got one 4.5 star rating and no 5 star ratings.

And no, just because critics disagree with you doesn't make them dumb.

True. Personally, I'd call the Cure legendary. The Cure were quite influential on post-punk and alternative rock. Plus, Disintegration is a timeless classic, I would put it on the same level as The Queen Is Dead & Dark Side of the Moon.

Also, as for Green Day & Blink 182, that 5-star review of American Idiot is what I was referring to. American Idiot isn't bad, but I don't see how an album like that could get a 5-star score, whereas Disintegration & those Cure albums that I mentioned have lower ratings than American Idiot.

Music is subjective, though. We all have different likes and dislikes.

Re: Music reviews about the Cure

meccalecca — Sun, 2 Feb 2014 14:14:24 GMT

Author: meccalecca

Posted: 02/02/2014 19:14

Mercury wrote:

The Tallest Man On Earth on the other hand, OH MY GOSH! They gave Shallow Grave, still great but my least fave album of his, 4.5 while giving THE WILD HUNT 4 and There's No Leaving Now 3.5 (wtf!?!).

Re: Music reviews about the Cure

Anonymous — Sun, 2 Feb 2014 14:10:56 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 02/02/2014 19:10

loverofmusic wrote:

Many now-canonical albums were met with critical indifference at release, such as The Velvet Underground & Nico, There's a Riot Goin' On, and all three of Black Sabbath's early masterpieces. Critics will often whiff if they don't know how to listen to something or if an artist changes direction unexpectedly (e.g., Led Zeppelin III). Also, critics tend to be intellectuals, so they'll sometimes turn up their noses at music that seems lowbrow (e.g., Sabbath). There's also a tendency to play follow the leader in music reviews. Once a major publication (like Rolling Stone or Pitchfork) pans an album, others will be less shy about expressing displeasure.

I don't have any strong feelings about the Cure or whether those albums should be regarded as classics, but the point is that initial reviews should be taken with a grain of salt. Retrospective reviews are more reliable, since they will usually account for the album's impact.

Re: Music reviews about the Cure

meccalecca — Sun, 2 Feb 2014 14:09:16 GMT

Author: meccalecca

Posted: 02/02/2014 19:09

Many great bands were slighted by critics. It is what it is. Time has treated the Cure very well. They've grown to have one of the best cult fanbases of any rock band in history. They still can sell out major tours and get high billing on festivals. I wouldn't worry too much. Pretty much any diehard fan of rock music knows that The Cure is one of the all time greats.

Re: Music reviews about the Cure

Dingerbell — Sun, 2 Feb 2014 14:06:22 GMT

Author: Dingerbell

Posted: 02/02/2014 19:06

Also, I'm pretty sure Allmusic rates by genres. Green Day and Blink 182 are pretty much the pinnacle of pop-punk, so will get good ratings, whilst the Cure aren't really the absolute best of post-punk.

Re: Music reviews about the Cure

Anonymous — Sun, 2 Feb 2014 13:58:33 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 02/02/2014 18:58

loverofmusic wrote:

Good point. I just care because Seventeen Seconds, Faith & Pornography are timeless classics, in my opinion. I find it kind of strange why Allmusic & other critics gave those mixed to poor reviews.

Also, the fact that Green Day & Blink 182 got better reviews than the Cure is just sad. Critics are dumb, I guess.

The Cure is a great band, though. Sorry if I come off as a fanboy in this topic.

Re: Music reviews about the Cure

Mercury — Sun, 2 Feb 2014 13:52:41 GMT

Author: Mercury

Posted: 02/02/2014 18:52

Yeeeeaaaahhh I'm not a huge fan of the cure. They are pretty good though.

Faith deserves 4.5, maybe, but its a 4 to me. Disintegration deserves 3.5 to 4 in my book.

And those are the only ones I've heard in full.

The Tallest Man On Earth on the other hand, OH MY GOSH! They gave Shallow Grave, still great but my least fave album of his, 4.5 while giving THE WILD HUNT 4 and There's No Leaving Now 3.5 (wtf!?!).

Fuck allmusic! Not really because I do generally like that site, but still I think we all have some beef with any review site on one of our favorite artists or bands.

Re: Music reviews about the Cure

loverofmusic — Sun, 2 Feb 2014 13:52:11 GMT

Author: loverofmusic

Posted: 02/02/2014 18:52

swedenman wrote:

Allmusic flow chart:

Is the album a bona fide classic? -----Yes----> 5 stars!
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No
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V
Does the album deserve 5 stars? ------Yes-----> 4.5 stars!
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No
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V
Is the album God-awful? ------No--------> 4 stars!
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Yes
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V
Is the album a bona fide shit classic (akin to Squeeze)? ----------Yes--------> 1.5 stars!
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No
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V
RNG lol.

Allmusic gave Springsteen's first two album, The River, and Born in the USA 5 stars and gave Darkness on the Edge of Town 4.5 stars. I'm not sure why you're putting any stock in it.

Also, as others have said, I'm not sure why you care.

Re: Music reviews about the Cure

Anonymous — Sun, 2 Feb 2014 13:45:05 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 02/02/2014 18:45

BrandonMeow wrote:

let's just praise The Cure with him.

Um, I'll pass.

Re: Music reviews about the Cure

Anonymous — Sun, 2 Feb 2014 13:44:08 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 02/02/2014 18:44

I think he's just flipping out about how great The Cure are and wants to gush about it, he's just doing it by wondering why Allmusic is dumb, let's just praise The Cure with him. XD

Oh and this man is your friend:
http://www.besteveralbums.com/thechart.php?c=2071&f=BandID&fv=1170

Re: Music reviews about the Cure

Anonymous — Sun, 2 Feb 2014 13:39:53 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 02/02/2014 18:39

loverofmusic wrote:

Additionally, NONE of the Cure's albums got a 5-star score on Allmusic.

Re: Music reviews about the Cure

Anonymous — Sun, 2 Feb 2014 13:32:25 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 02/02/2014 18:32

I'd give Pornography and Faith five stars any day...think I have. XD Sadly I'm not Allmusic. I'd give Seventeen Seconds like 4.5.