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Re: artist nationality

albummaster — Sat, 29 Mar 2014 12:11:10 GMT

Author: albummaster

Posted: 03/29/2014 16:11

Yes, there are a few odd-ball cases but, personally, I think nationality gives a better representation (generally) than place of birth. (For previous debate on this, see e.g. http://www.besteveralbums.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1109 )

Re: artist nationality

Anonymous — Fri, 28 Mar 2014 18:11:56 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 03/28/2014 22:11

albummaster wrote:

At some point in the future, this might be relabelled as country of birth so that it's less ambiguous.

Thanks. That would certainly make things easier (albeit mildly confusing in reference to artists such as those abovementioned by goodsir.)

Re: artist nationality

albummaster — Fri, 28 Mar 2014 17:58:33 GMT

Author: albummaster

Posted: 03/28/2014 21:58

... if an artist went to that other country whilst still in infancy and then remained living in that country until adulthood. If the nationality isn't clear, put it as 'mixed' (there are quite a few where it's not clear). At some point in the future, this might be relabelled as country of birth so that it's less ambiguous.

Re: artist nationality

Anonymous — Fri, 28 Mar 2014 17:28:51 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 03/28/2014 21:28

albummaster wrote:

BEA uses the nationality of the artist (rather than their country of birth) which is subtly different to some other sites (& possibly over-complicates things). As such, this is how things currently work:

Solo artists: An individual is from one country if they were born and raised to adulthood in the same country. If an artist was born in one country but raised in another, they would be considered of the other nationality.

Collaborations (where two or more artists perform together): If all artists in the collaboration are of the same nationality, the collaboration is also assigned the same nationality. If any of the main performers are of a different nationality to the rest of the collaboration, the artist may be assigned 'Mixed Nationality'. (This will change once BEA handles collaborations differently so that individual artists get credit for their albums where they collaborate with other people.)

Thanks AM. That answers most of my questions. Though I do have one more, what constitutes "having been raised" in a country? I know of one artist who was born in the US, but spent her early childhood and adolescence in Israel, and then returned to and is currently based the US (just before reaching adulthood). Would I label this artist as American or Israeli? Similarly there's an artist born and raised to borderline adulthood in France but who has spent the majority of her life and the entirety of her music career in Chile. Is this artist French or Chilean?

Re: artist nationality

albummaster — Fri, 28 Mar 2014 17:11:26 GMT

Author: albummaster

Posted: 03/28/2014 21:11

BEA uses the nationality of the artist (rather than their country of birth) which is subtly different to some other sites (& possibly over-complicates things). As such, this is how things currently work:

Solo artists: An individual is from one country if they were born and raised to adulthood in the same country. If an artist was born in one country but raised in another, they would be considered of the other nationality.

Collaborations (where two or more artists perform together): If all artists in the collaboration are of the same nationality, the collaboration is also assigned the same nationality. If any of the main performers are of a different nationality to the rest of the collaboration, the artist may be assigned 'Mixed Nationality'. (This will change once BEA handles collaborations differently so that individual artists get credit for their albums where they collaborate with other people.)

Re: artist nationality

Anonymous — Fri, 28 Mar 2014 15:54:51 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 03/28/2014 19:54

dividesbyzero wrote:

hence this thread

🤡

Re: artist nationality

Anonymous — Fri, 28 Mar 2014 15:51:52 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 03/28/2014 19:51

Goodsir wrote:

Good question. 🤔 You should definitely ask AM.

hence this thread

Re: artist nationality

Anonymous — Fri, 28 Mar 2014 15:50:34 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 03/28/2014 19:50

dividesbyzero wrote:

But often artists may move, change the location from which their music comes... do we have to update the artists to accommodate this?

Good question. 🤔 You should definitely ask AM.

Re: artist nationality

Anonymous — Fri, 28 Mar 2014 15:49:30 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 03/28/2014 19:49

Goodsir wrote:

I'm guessing it's where they make music. Van Morrison was born in Ireland, but he's labeled UK on BEA because that's where his music comes from. MF Doom was born in the UK and is labeled as US, etc.

But often artists may move, change the location from which their music comes... do we have to update the artists to accommodate this?

Re: artist nationality

Anonymous — Fri, 28 Mar 2014 15:37:13 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 03/28/2014 19:37

I'm guessing it's where they make music. Van Morrison was born in Ireland, but he's labeled UK on BEA because that's where his music comes from. MF Doom was born in the UK and is labeled as US, etc.

artist nationality

Anonymous — Fri, 28 Mar 2014 15:33:53 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 03/28/2014 19:33

ok this probably doesn't deserve its own thread but the question has been bugging me for awhile. When selecting nationality for a new artist, do we list the country in which the artist was born or the country in which the artist is based? (Or the country in which the artist first became active as a musician, or something I'm overlooking...)