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Re: which 5 music artists will be remembered in 200+ years?

Jjjoniee — Sat, 14 Jun 2014 01:09:00 GMT

Author: Jjjoniee

Posted: 06/14/2014 05:09

I'm gonna make everything after 1990, because the Beatles, while they may be remembered in 200 years, aren't really recent.

Nas - he influenced a whole genre. Very few hip hop artists say Nas didn't influence them.

Radiohead - #1 album and almost #1 artist

Arcade Fire - I wonder if people will know what arcades are

Katy Perry - she's had a million hits and she could have a million more

I guess Coldplay? everyone knows coldplay

I think Justin Beiber will not be remembered much longer. I know that 3 years ago, I said that he'd be forgotten in a year, and that prediction obviously wasn't true. However, the reason I'm saying he won't be remembered is that his most recent movie made 10% of the profit that his first one (2 years ago) made. He's done making music AFAIK and I don't think I know anybody who still listens to him. He's going downhill. Unless he revitalizes his career, I think he'll be totally forgotten in 10 years, let alone 200.

Re: which 5 music artists will be remembered in 200+ years?

Anonymous — Sat, 14 Jun 2014 00:31:14 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 06/14/2014 04:31

Happymeal wrote:

It's probably more accurate to say that atonal music was intended to be different, since I doubt that Schoenberg and Webern intended for their music to be uniformly unpleasant. The real question is whether these differences simply demonstrate that modern composers are more willing to break with tradition and experiment, or if there really has been a systematic shift in the way classical music is composed. I don't know enough about modern classical music to say which it is (anybody?), but I think it would have to be the latter to have any chance of catching on in popular culture in the centuries to come. Joe Shmoe isn't going to accept pop that adheres to an arbitrary and varying atonal framework.

Re: which 5 music artists will be remembered in 200+ years?

Anonymous — Fri, 13 Jun 2014 23:48:04 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 06/14/2014 03:48

sp4cetiger wrote:

In fact, there is some evidence that such a transition has already occurred in modern classical music (link). .

Wile I agree with your analysis to a pretty far extent, can we just remember that Schoenberg and Webern were pioneers in atonal music. The music was purposefully non scale oriented and meant to sound difficult to follow. It's comprehend-able why audiences can't find atonal music nice sounding; it's because it's not pleasant.

EDIT: Simply put, you can generalize based upon two artists.

EDIT2: Also, that was one of the articles that was required in the class I took based around piano as well as learning about classical music. TOO MANY ARTICLES!

Re: which 5 music artists will be remembered in 200+ years?

brun027 — Fri, 13 Jun 2014 23:22:33 GMT

Author: brun027

Posted: 06/14/2014 03:22

sp4cetiger wrote:

The "test of time" has a lot to do with where we came from.

I agree with that. I'm fairly sure if I go on the street right now I'll find a much larger number of people who can sing a song by Caetano Veloso or Gilberto Gil than people who can sing a Beatles' song. I don't doubt Caetano and Gil would be remembered in Brazil in 200 years.

Still, more than half of what's on the radio here is sung in english. That same Hot 100 stuff, that they listen everywhere. Why do people in Japan listen to music from the United States, and people from the United States don't listen to japanese music, when they have a gigantic musical production? Why is the oficial WORLD Cup song by Pitbull? Why do I even like Mac DeMarco? Maybe that has to do with english speaking countries having had the largest economy or something since the 19th century. If China assumes the position of having the wold's largest economy, will people start listening to chinese music? Will people in every western country be still listening to music in english in 200 years? Will there be a multisided interchange of pop music between all countries? Will a K-Pop album ever get BNM? My uncle hates jazz.

Re: which 5 music artists will be remembered in 200+ years?

Anonymous — Fri, 13 Jun 2014 21:40:02 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 06/14/2014 01:40

Not including The Beatles or The Rolling Stones:

1. John Coltrane
2. Radiohead
3. U2
4. Michael Jackson
5. Kanye West

Re: which 5 music artists will be remembered in 200+ years?

Anonymous — Fri, 13 Jun 2014 21:13:02 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 06/14/2014 01:13

Wow, Spacetiger don't you dare imply Rock N Roll could ever die.

Re: which 5 music artists will be remembered in 200+ years?

Nothingman94 — Fri, 13 Jun 2014 21:02:20 GMT

Author: Nothingman94

Posted: 06/14/2014 01:02

1) The Beatles
2) The Stones
3) Hendrix
4) Pink Floyd
5) Radiohead

Re: which 5 music artists will be remembered in 200+ years?

Mercury — Fri, 13 Jun 2014 20:55:36 GMT

Author: Mercury

Posted: 06/14/2014 00:55

Why are you so smart!?!?

Re: which 5 music artists will be remembered in 200+ years?

Anonymous — Fri, 13 Jun 2014 20:46:38 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 06/14/2014 00:46

So... my first thought when I saw this thread was, "How the hell should I know?" However, the question has been stirring around in the back of my head for a while, so I'll share some of my thoughts (and maybe actually answer the question posed by the OP, if I have time).

I think the "test of time" is often viewed as the ultimate stamp of quality. After all, why would we still listen to Mozart and Bach if there wasn't something inherently great about them, if they hadn't captured some universally appealing quality in their music? While there may be some truth to this idea, there are more than a few reasons why I think that it breaks down under careful scrutiny.

First of all, Mozart, Chopin, and Bach have some things in common aside from their aesthetic intangibles, the most obvious being that they're part of Western classical tradition. This is a key point -- not only are Eastern musicians notably absent from the lexicon of the English-speaking plebian, but it's also not even obvious to me that your average Indian or Chinese person really is familiar with Mozart et al. This means that political history matters, too. The "test of time" has a lot to do with where we came from.

Even within Western classical tradition, there are some things aside from quality that may help an artist survive the test of time. Europeans have been writing down music since around the turn of the first century, so why is it that all of the well-known "greats" are from after ~1700? As it turns out, it was around this time that classical music transitioned from being primarily based on polyphony, in which multiple melodic lines occur simultaneously, to being based on harmony. Even Bach, who slightly predates this transition, foreshadowed it with his use of arpeggios to imply chordal structures. Listening to classical music from well before this period is a skill in its own right, as virtually everything we hear nowadays is based on harmony.

So what does this mean for survivability? Well, most people, even self-proclaimed sophisticates, aren't going to go out of their way to adapt to music that uses an entirely unfamiliar framework. If another transition in musical compositions occurs over the next 200 years, the answer to the OP's question, which of today's artists will be well known in the future, could be none. In fact, there is some evidence that such a transition has already occurred in modern classical music (link). If the changes work their way into pop music, the Beatles, Miles Davis, Pink Floyd, Bob Dylan, and their peers could all be nobodies before long.

Okay, this is getting long, so it looks like I might have to finish later. Sorry.

Re: which 5 music artists will be remembered in 200+ years?

Antonio-Pedro — Fri, 13 Jun 2014 19:18:43 GMT

Author: Antonio-Pedro

Posted: 06/13/2014 23:18

Well, If there aren't any nuclear wars, or aliens that will take out to their galaxy to drink a little bit of their human brain tea, or music crack on wall street, or landings on pluto

Lol

I don't know how can us in the future remember one of these bands, like the technology will davance a lot and maybe new music exist, and it can be labeled as better than 70s musiv or shit like that, I guess they made the same question in 1814, and look to the answer now.... welll

But really Most of our favorite bands will be pulled to the big absyys of oblivion, and will be forgot, I would like to see SY or Pink floyd, or Sex pistols in the future, but a great part of it can be forgoten like dirt.... IDK it's just a hard question

I would like to see remembered ( Also I will make a time capsule)
Sonic Youth
The Clash
QOTSA
The Kinks
Kraftwerk

But unfortunately these will probably be remembered:
The Beatles
Pink Floyd (ewwwww 2214s people singing another brick in the wall ewwww)
David Bowie
Led Zeppelin
Nirvana (maybe)
Elvis Presley

Re: which 5 music artists will be remembered in 200+ years?

Mercury — Fri, 13 Jun 2014 18:22:01 GMT

Author: Mercury

Posted: 06/13/2014 22:22

-Missy Elliott
-That one guy with the big teets

And...maybeeeeee....

The Dead Milkmen
Flipper
and Robert Zimmerman

Re: which 5 music artists will be remembered in 200+ years?

benpaco — Fri, 13 Jun 2014 18:16:08 GMT

Author: benpaco

Posted: 06/13/2014 22:16

paladisiac wrote:

but most only know names like mozart, chopin, bach.. maybe a couple others.

Beethoven? Haydn? Liszt? Handel? Tchaikovsky? Mendelssohn? Vivaldi? Wagner? Mahler (he's a little more recent and yet)? Brahms? Joplin? I'd bet you most people of those at LEAST know Beethoven, Joplin and Tchaikovsky ... probably at least heard of the others too. I'm not a classical buff by any means, but as someone who's taken world history classes and has grandparents, I'm familiar with all of those.

Anyways, as to who I think will live on, we'll have more than 5. To simplify why, think about it like literature - before Swift sort of revolutionized writing, we don't know a lot of authors. Some, yeah, will live on forever, Shakespeare and the other greats, but Swift sort of marks a point where authors became more of cultural icons and less just that their works were respected by those respectful (and rich) enough to enjoy it. I think Jazz sort of was that Swift transition (all pun intended) where music started to become more well talked about and preserved, and especially once Elvis and others came in, it was cemented.

In no order:

Copland
The Beatles
Louis Armstrong
Elvis
Leonard Bernstein
Leadbelly
Robert Johnson
Miles Davis
Benny Goodman
Bob Dylan
Robert Johnson
Sinatra
Britten
Jay-Z
The Ramones
The Sex Pistols (MAYBE)
Ellington
Gillespie
Backstreet Boys
Hendrix
Beastie Boys
Johnny Cash
Joan Baez
Kenny G
Ravi Shankar
Carlos Santana
The Kinks
Getz
Bob Marley
DMC

EDIT: Madonna, Coldplay, Eminem, and U2 should probably be here too.

I'd say all of those will make it 200 years. Admittedly some will be more for their cultural impact (Backstreet) and some may be remembered only among certain ethnic groups (possibly Santana or Shankar or Marley) while others may be only remembered among certain types of people (ie who knows if jazz will be looked back at like classical, but there'll still always be jazz fans I think).

And outlaw, I'd say the 5 2000s musicians with the best shots of long term impact would be:

J Biebz (wish that was a joke, but culturally ...)
OK Go (re-revolutionized the music video and launched YouTube in many ways)
Arcade Fire (One of the more famous and acclaimed ones already)
The Strokes (See above)
Gorilaz (Acclaimed, high fan base, possibility of reforming, hologram technology, the idea of a digital band, a SPIN magazine writer also called "Clint Eastwood" the song of Generation Y)

Not counting Green Day, Jay-Z, Eminem, or Elliot Smith as 2000s

Re: which 5 music artists will be remembered in 200+ years?

alelsupreme — Fri, 13 Jun 2014 18:10:35 GMT

Author: alelsupreme

Posted: 06/13/2014 22:10

Brad Paisley and LL Cool J, most definitely. If the enders of racism were to be forgotten then it'd be a historic tragedy.

Re: which 5 music artists will be remembered in 200+ years?

jhuik — Fri, 13 Jun 2014 18:01:54 GMT

Author: jhuik

Posted: 06/13/2014 22:01

Suggestion: 5 that will and 5 you hope will. Obviously a few are already playing the second version.

5 that will:

The Beatles
Elvis
Bob Dylan
Bob Marley
U2

5 I hope will:
Bruce Springsteen
Van Morrison
NMH
Beck
The Tragically Hip

Re: which 5 music artists will be remembered in 200+ years?

NickVolos — Fri, 13 Jun 2014 17:41:57 GMT

Author: NickVolos

Posted: 06/13/2014 21:41

Aaron Copland
Dmitri Shostakovich
Benjamin Britten
Pierre Boulez
Karlheinz Stockhausen
---------------------------
Philip Glass

(in no particular order)

Re: which 5 music artists will be remembered in 200+ years?

Anonymous — Fri, 13 Jun 2014 17:20:47 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 06/13/2014 21:20

Tortoise
Miles Davis
Dizzee Rascal
TLC
4 Non Blondes

Re: which 5 music artists will be remembered in 200+ years?

Anonymous — Fri, 13 Jun 2014 17:13:37 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 06/13/2014 21:13

1. The Beatles
2. Michael Jackson
3. Madonna
4. Coldplay
5. Eminem

Although pretty much everyone anyone is going to say will be remembered in this thread because of the internet (the game changer) and other advancements. There will be probably be albums on the bandcamp archive which haven't been listened to by no living human being for perhaps... more than 50 years being plucked out of obscruity and sent around millions of computers in a week... some even on the Moon and Mars.

It would be more interesting to make 00s and 10s choices here as well. Some grumpy people back in The Beatles day would have said they would be completely forgotten in 10 years, others would have called Black Sabbath a passing fad which won't stand the test of time. Perhaps some said the same thing when Led Zep first came. Evil guitar music making Satan appear.

Re: which 5 music artists will be remembered in 200+ years?

Error Finn — Fri, 13 Jun 2014 17:13:30 GMT

Author: Error Finn

Posted: 06/13/2014 21:13

Ravi Shankar

which 5 music artists will be remembered in 200+ years?

paladisiac — Fri, 13 Jun 2014 16:57:41 GMT

Author: paladisiac

Posted: 06/13/2014 20:57

which 5 music artists will be remembered in 200+ years?

This question begins with the premise that the common person really doesn't know a halluva lot about the top music artists from the 1700 & 1800s. Sure, YOU might know a ton of classical artists, but most only know names like mozart, chopin, bach.. maybe a couple others.

So fast-forward 200-250 years. If you were limited to 5 music artists covered here on BEA, which covers artists from the 1930s to the present day, which FIVE music artists will be remembered by most people (the common person) say between 2214-2264 ?

My guess...

Definitely:

01 elvis
02 the beatles
03 michael jackson

Next couple guesses:

04 miles davis
05 pink floyd

But those last 2 could be any 2 other major historical "modern era" artists, imo. So i really think only the first 3 names will be remembered in a couple centuries.

What do you think? Remember, the question is "which 5 artists WILL be remembered?" by the masses in a few centuries. The question is NOT "which 5 *should* be remembered?".

(Apologies if this topic has been threaded here before.)