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Re: [Closed] Best Ever Guitarist: Nick Drake vs. Jack White

RockyRaccoon — Sat, 23 Aug 2014 22:10:32 GMT

Author: RockyRaccoon

Posted: 08/24/2014 02:10

Mercury wrote:

Okay, next match ups, please.

They'll be up Monday. I'm out or town now

Re: [Closed] Best Ever Guitarist: Nick Drake vs. Jack White

Mercury — Sat, 23 Aug 2014 18:34:30 GMT

Author: Mercury

Posted: 08/23/2014 22:34

Okay, next match ups, please.

Re: [Closed] Best Ever Guitarist: Nick Drake vs. Jack White

Mercury — Sat, 23 Aug 2014 10:46:19 GMT

Author: Mercury

Posted: 08/23/2014 14:46

Wow. Stunning ending. And the whole thread really was a beautiful back and forth affair.

Re: [Closed] Best Ever Guitarist: Nick Drake vs. Jack White

RockyRaccoon — Sat, 23 Aug 2014 08:28:02 GMT

Author: RockyRaccoon

Posted: 08/23/2014 12:28

Jack White wins

26-25

Re: [Closed] Best Ever Guitarist: Nick Drake vs. Jack White

eyezayzay — Fri, 22 Aug 2014 22:46:20 GMT

Author: eyezayzay

Posted: 08/23/2014 02:46

How is Jack White not winning....get your head out of Nick Drake's ass.

Re: [Closed] Best Ever Guitarist: Nick Drake vs. Jack White

mickilennial — Thu, 21 Aug 2014 22:04:44 GMT

Author: mickilennial

Posted: 08/22/2014 02:04

#teamspacetiger

Re: [Closed] Best Ever Guitarist: Nick Drake vs. Jack White

Anonymous — Thu, 21 Aug 2014 21:56:10 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 08/22/2014 01:56

This thread has turned out to be really interesting. I'll have to be a jerk more often.

Re: [Closed] Best Ever Guitarist: Nick Drake vs. Jack White

Anonymous — Thu, 21 Aug 2014 20:15:30 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 08/22/2014 00:15

^^^ Great post, Mercury!!! Even without your massive blues knowledge, I've often felt the same way.

Nice shout out to Flat Duo Jets!!! 😁

Re: [Closed] Best Ever Guitarist: Nick Drake vs. Jack White

Mercury — Thu, 21 Aug 2014 18:58:08 GMT

Author: Mercury

Posted: 08/21/2014 22:58

Norman Bates wrote:

From you who wrote a great article about country blues, this is astounding.

But I'm willing to just face the music and dance: how influential to blues do you think Jack White was?

Well, not influential or important in that regard (as in "ive radically changed blues and others follow in my footsteps") But, really, the basic blues form has remained just about unchanged for a very long time. If i say Buddy Guy, Hubert Sumlin, Eric Clapton, SRV, etc were important to the development and existence of blues it is more in regards to where they took it, how they popularized it and mastered and perfected it. Not so much how they altered or influenced and changed it at a basic level. Jack White is no different in a way. He took this very old and very pure form of blues from the likes of Som House and he just played it in a rabid and wicked and loud way. And he also took other very old styles of blues that may be associated with the Blind Willie McTells and Albert Collinss and Hound Dog Taylors and Elmore Jamess of the past and modernized it slightly by playing it louder or faster or mixing it with garage rock and gritty punk etc. his blues tracks are stunning and absolutely invigorating and I feel he had a HUGELY important influence on keeping old deep blues relevant and alive through the 2000s.

Like for me, personally, after hearing the White Stripes rendition of "Death Letter Blues" I went and learned everything I could about Son house. Same with the first time I heard the Stripes version of "Southern Can Is Mine" I went and absorbed soooo much blind Willie McTell. Etc.

He had a similar relationship to the deep blues that Captain Beefheart did and others who kept it alive and part of the modern, "hip"and relatively un-blues based music they were associated with.

I'm not saying he was the first to do this, Gun Club, Flat Duo Jets, and many others had done something similar 10 or 20 years earlier. But they didn't have as far reaching and popular and influential an influence on da kids as the Stripes did.

Jack White is really one of my heroes.

Re: [Closed] Best Ever Guitarist: Nick Drake vs. Jack White

Norman Bates — Thu, 21 Aug 2014 15:57:38 GMT

Author: Norman Bates

Posted: 08/21/2014 19:57

Mercury wrote:

Jack White(...)was very important to blues

From you who wrote a great article about country blues, this is astounding.

But I'm willing to just face the music and dance: how influential to blues do you think Jack White was?

Re: [Closed] Best Ever Guitarist: Nick Drake vs. Jack White

Anonymous — Thu, 21 Aug 2014 09:11:25 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 08/21/2014 13:11

Re: [Closed] Best Ever Guitarist: Nick Drake vs. Jack White

Romanelli — Thu, 21 Aug 2014 07:54:51 GMT

Author: Romanelli

Posted: 08/21/2014 11:54

sp4cetiger wrote:

I'm also a guitarist and I would probably find it harder to play what Nick Drake plays (his style is miles away from my own), but to me this tournament is all about what I'm hearing. Here are my criteria, as best as I've been able to work them out so far:

1. Do I enjoy the music they make? (slight advantage White)
2. How much does the guitar playing contribute to the experience? (roughly even)
3. How unique do they sound to me? (advantage White)
4. How much variety is there in their playing across their discography? (big advantage White)

I may think of more as the tournament goes on, but these are all subjective criteria, so I'm not trying to put down anyone who chooses Drake here. I'm only saying that this is an easy decision for me.

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Re: [Closed] Best Ever Guitarist: Nick Drake vs. Jack White

Anonymous — Wed, 20 Aug 2014 13:08:56 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 08/20/2014 17:08

Skinny wrote:

I play guitar ... find it more difficult to play the way Drake does than the way White does .... So it comes down to whose guitar playing I prefer listening to, and the answer is Drake's, by a long way.

Basically this. I've never spent more than ten minutes trying to learn a Jack White song, but Drake is forever beyond my grasp.

But again, doesn't necessarily mean one's better than the other. The fact that I enjoy Drake more makes me vote him.

Re: [Closed] Best Ever Guitarist: Nick Drake vs. Jack White

meccalecca — Wed, 20 Aug 2014 12:21:58 GMT

Author: meccalecca

Posted: 08/20/2014 16:21

sp4cetiger wrote:

Here are my criteria, as best as I've been able to work them out so far:

1. Do I enjoy the music they make? (slight advantage White)
2. How much does the guitar playing contribute to the experience? (roughly even)
3. How unique do they sound to me? (advantage White)
4. How much variety is there in their playing across their discography? (big advantage White)

I'm looking at it all a similar way. There's no right way to judge who's better, just like albums, but I think this is a nice ay to break things down.

There's a reason I nominated the 3 guys I did (Fripp, Ribot, Denison), and it has a lot to do with what you're saying.

Re: [Closed] Best Ever Guitarist: Nick Drake vs. Jack White

Anonymous — Wed, 20 Aug 2014 12:17:30 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 08/20/2014 16:17

I'm also a guitarist and I would probably find it harder to play what Nick Drake plays (his style is miles away from my own), but to me this tournament is all about what I'm hearing. Here are my criteria, as best as I've been able to work them out so far:

1. Do I enjoy the music they make? (slight advantage White)
2. How much does the guitar playing contribute to the experience? (roughly even)
3. How unique do they sound to me? (advantage White)
4. How much variety is there in their playing across their discography? (big advantage White)

I may think of more as the tournament goes on, but these are all subjective criteria, so I'm not trying to put down anyone who chooses Drake here. I'm only saying that this is an easy decision for me.

Re: [Closed] Best Ever Guitarist: Nick Drake vs. Jack White

Skinny — Wed, 20 Aug 2014 11:16:20 GMT

Author: Skinny

Posted: 08/20/2014 15:16

All of what Mecca and Rocky said, essentially. I play guitar (admittedly not amazingly), and I appreciate that both Drake and White are brilliant guitarists. I'd probably find it more difficult to play the way Drake does than the way White does, but the fact is that I'll never be anywhere near as good as either. So it comes down to whose guitar playing I prefer listening to, and the answer is Drake's, by a long way. Does it mean I think Drake is a "better" guitarist? Perhaps subconsciously, but it's apples and oranges.

Re: [Closed] Best Ever Guitarist: Nick Drake vs. Jack White

RockyRaccoon — Wed, 20 Aug 2014 11:03:15 GMT

Author: RockyRaccoon

Posted: 08/20/2014 15:03

Pshh Steve Vai and Joe Satriani are fantastic.

As a guitarist, it's hard to compare two guitarists of different styles. I used to be in a jazz band with a guy who was a blues guitarist and people used to ask me "Who's better, you or him?" And I would always say that we were two very different guitarists. He played blues exclusively. I was much more into folk music at the time, complex chord formations and stuff. I still enjoyed just playing straight-forward rock, but we had two very different styles. It's hard to compare, because you can't use technical skill alone. Personally, I've always enjoyed White's playing more than Drake's, but that's not to say Drake isn't any good, he's great, just different.

Re: [Closed] Best Ever Guitarist: Nick Drake vs. Jack White

meccalecca — Wed, 20 Aug 2014 09:08:05 GMT

Author: meccalecca

Posted: 08/20/2014 13:08

I think the thing is, even in something that seems as technical and specific as guitar playing, it's impossible to be completely objective. And I think that's fair. If a really technically skilled guitar player makes music you don't enjoy, why would you vote for them? Musical skill goes beyond complexity and speed, and the most important aspect is simply being enjoyable.

Otherwise, we'd just have a bunch of wankers like Steve Vai and Joe Satriani in the tournament

Re: [Closed] Best Ever Guitarist: Nick Drake vs. Jack White

Anonymous — Wed, 20 Aug 2014 09:01:18 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 08/20/2014 13:01

Romanelli wrote:

Nick Drake a better guitarist than Jack White?

Interesting.... :shock:

Romanelli, you're a guitarist, right? I'd love to read your critiques from an actual guitarist's vantage point. I know nothing about playing so I'll probably just sit on the sidelines for this tourney, but I'd love to read people actually dissecting the different playing styles.

Re: [Closed] Best Ever Guitarist: Nick Drake vs. Jack White

Romanelli — Wed, 20 Aug 2014 08:07:43 GMT

Author: Romanelli

Posted: 08/20/2014 12:07

Nick Drake a better guitarist than Jack White?

Interesting.... 😲