Best Ever Albums

Re: [THREAD CLOSED] Porcupine Tree Vs Weezer

ShaneSpear — Tue, 24 May 2011 08:57:19 GMT

Author: ShaneSpear

Posted: 05/24/2011 12:57

Xavygravy wrote:

Just like how I think Sgt. Pepper is a load of mediocre crap, whilst many call it the 'best ever'.

Well, at least we can agree on something.

Re: [THREAD CLOSED] Porcupine Tree Vs Weezer

Xavygravy — Tue, 24 May 2011 02:24:03 GMT

Author: Xavygravy

Posted: 05/24/2011 06:24

ShaneSpear wrote:

Except that even that Allmusic review you cited only gave the album 3 stars, which is about right if not a little generous. You have it at 4.5 stars. Is there really only 1/2 star difference between The Blue Album and Make Believe to you?

It was originally 4, but they changed it to 3 because of all the negative responses to it (because allmusic's are more general consensus's mixed with their own opinion).

Just because it's pop, and they used to be grungy, doesn't make it bad.

I think it's a brilliant pop album. I'm definitely not the only one that thinks that. e.g. IGN gave it a 9.3, not saying that means a lot, but I pretty much agree with their review and score. Rolling Stone gave it 4, which is generally the highest they give an album on original release.

But if you don't like it, I can't help that. Just like how I think Sgt. Pepper is a load of mediocre crap, whilst many call it the 'best ever'.

Re: [THREAD CLOSED] Porcupine Tree Vs Weezer

ShaneSpear — Mon, 23 May 2011 08:04:57 GMT

Author: ShaneSpear

Posted: 05/23/2011 12:04

Except that even that Allmusic review you cited only gave the album 3 stars, which is about right if not a little generous. You have it at 4.5 stars. Is there really only 1/2 star difference between The Blue Album and Make Believe to you?

Re: [THREAD CLOSED] Porcupine Tree Vs Weezer

Anonymous — Mon, 23 May 2011 03:12:28 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 05/23/2011 07:12

NO MORE VOTES

PORCUPINE TREE WIN THIS MATCH 13 TO 12

Re: [THREAD CLOSED] Porcupine Tree Vs Weezer

Xavygravy — Mon, 23 May 2011 02:29:43 GMT

Author: Xavygravy

Posted: 05/23/2011 06:29

ShaneSpear wrote:

Xavygravy wrote:

Make Believe 4.5

Really?

I can understand why people hate that one. "It's too poppy!" "It's overproduced!" "They sold out!" "Beverly Hills omg"

I can't be bothered writing an essay on why Make Believe is a great album, but I'll quote this from the allmusic review:

" The Green Album and its quickly released 2002 follow-up, Maladroit, were both sharply written, tightly constructed, quite excellent, and popular rock records, but that didn't stop some fans from grumbling that neither album was as affecting as Pinkerton.

Those same fans will likely not be happy with Cuomo's return to musical, emotional bloodletting with 2005's Make Believe. It may be a spiritual cousin to Pinkerton, yet it's far removed from the raw, nervy immediacy of that album.

... (later on) ...

He never overwrites, either in his words or melodies, his songs are carefully, precisely crafted pop, and his love of metal and rock gives his music muscle and balls. These gifts are as evident on Make Believe as they had been on every other Weezer record -- the only difference is this has a lighter, brighter feel than any of its predecessors, not just in the music but in its outlook. It might not be what Weezer fans want, but as that aforementioned Rolling Stone article made clear, Cuomo never cared much about that in the first place. If they're not immediately taken with Make Believe, give it time. After all, Pinkerton didn't win fans immediately."

Re: [THREAD CLOSED] Porcupine Tree Vs Weezer

Xavygravy — Mon, 23 May 2011 02:21:29 GMT

Author: Xavygravy

Posted: 05/23/2011 06:21

SquishypuffDave wrote:

Xavygravy wrote:

Unless you're stupid, a couple of songs don't beat entire albums.

My argument: Stairway to Heaven is a song. My World 2.0 is an album.

*ahem* I meant: a couple of songs don't beat entire (great) albums.

Re: [THREAD CLOSED] Porcupine Tree Vs Weezer

Bork — Mon, 23 May 2011 00:28:56 GMT

Author: Bork

Posted: 05/23/2011 04:28

SquishypuffDave wrote:

In fact, I don't even agree with your argument. Would you say Justin Bieber's 'My World 2.0' is categorically better than Led Zeppelin's 'Stairway to Heaven'?

Valid point.

Re: [THREAD CLOSED] Porcupine Tree Vs Weezer

Bork — Mon, 23 May 2011 00:26:28 GMT

Author: Bork

Posted: 05/23/2011 04:26

Xavygravy wrote:

Besides, I honestly believe that the post-2000 Weezer albums are hated on unnecessarily and that they're actually quite good - no 5 stars - but 4.5s 4s and 3.5s.

Agreed.

Re: [THREAD CLOSED] Porcupine Tree Vs Weezer

SquishypuffDave — Sun, 22 May 2011 19:55:52 GMT

Author: SquishypuffDave

Posted: 05/22/2011 23:55

Xavygravy wrote:

Unless you're stupid, a couple of songs don't beat entire albums.

My argument: Stairway to Heaven is a song. My World 2.0 is an album.

Re: [THREAD CLOSED] Porcupine Tree Vs Weezer

ShaneSpear — Sun, 22 May 2011 17:00:30 GMT

Author: ShaneSpear

Posted: 05/22/2011 21:00

Xavygravy wrote:

Make Believe 4.5

Really?

Re: [THREAD CLOSED] Porcupine Tree Vs Weezer

Xavygravy — Sun, 22 May 2011 16:53:03 GMT

Author: Xavygravy

Posted: 05/22/2011 20:53

Jhereko wrote:

Xavygravy wrote:

Jhereko wrote:

Xavygravy wrote:

I found these gems.

They're called The Blue Album and Pinkerton.

Unless you're stupid, a couple of songs don't beat entire albums.

they're both very good albums but have you heard Deadwing, In Absentia, Fear Of A Blank Planet etc to be able to compare? because I actually do think the blue album is the best album overall but when you have made albums like Raditude, The Green Album, Make Believe etc there is little you can do to redeem yourself...

so let's just say don't throw stones in glass houses :D

I do admit I haven't heard that much of Porcupine Tree, but I believe that you should just look at the best of the two and compare that.
I mean, if it was Weezer vs. The Beach Boys, I'm sure The Beach Boys would win, but look at the LONG list of really shit albums they released. It's almost Pet Sounds alone that would win it.

Besides, I honestly believe that the post-2000 Weezer albums are hated on unnecessarily and that they're actually quite good - no 5 stars - but 4.5s 4s and 3.5s.

even if you look at the best of the both bands, Weezer aren't neccesarily ahead. To be honest I probably hold the bands fairly equally if ignoring stuff after pinkerton because honestly what album of Weezer's after 2000 deserves a 4 let alone a 4.5???

Blue Album 5
Pinkerton 5
Green 4.5
Maladroit 4.5
Make Believe 4.5
Red 4
Raditude 4
Hurley 3.5
IMO
That's in order, so yeh, they are declining in quality.

Re: [THREAD CLOSED] Porcupine Tree Vs Weezer

Anonymous — Sun, 22 May 2011 08:25:24 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 05/22/2011 12:25

Xavygravy wrote:

Jhereko wrote:

Xavygravy wrote:

I found these gems.

They're called The Blue Album and Pinkerton.

Unless you're stupid, a couple of songs don't beat entire albums.

Re: [THREAD CLOSED] Porcupine Tree Vs Weezer

Xavygravy — Sun, 22 May 2011 03:21:46 GMT

Author: Xavygravy

Posted: 05/22/2011 07:21

Jhereko wrote:

Xavygravy wrote:

I found these gems.

They're called The Blue Album and Pinkerton.

Unless you're stupid, a couple of songs don't beat entire albums.

Re: [THREAD CLOSED] Porcupine Tree Vs Weezer

Xavygravy — Sun, 22 May 2011 03:11:09 GMT

Author: Xavygravy

Posted: 05/22/2011 07:11

SquishypuffDave wrote:

In fact, I don't even agree with your argument. Would you say Justin Bieber's 'My World 2.0' is categorically better than Led Zeppelin's 'Stairway to Heaven'? (Preempted clarification: I'm not comparing Blue Album/Pinkerton to Justin Bieber.)

...what?

and... what?

Re: [THREAD CLOSED] Porcupine Tree Vs Weezer

SquishypuffDave — Sun, 22 May 2011 02:03:20 GMT

Author: SquishypuffDave

Posted: 05/22/2011 06:03

@ Xavygravy: See my #1. It's there for a reason. When did anyone make the claim that Porcupine Tree's merit was based on a couple of songs?

In fact, I don't even agree with your argument. Would you say Justin Bieber's 'My World 2.0' is categorically better than Led Zeppelin's 'Stairway to Heaven'? (Preempted clarification: I'm not comparing Blue Album/Pinkerton to Justin Bieber.)

Re: [THREAD CLOSED] Porcupine Tree Vs Weezer

Anonymous — Sun, 22 May 2011 01:29:21 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 05/22/2011 05:29

Xavygravy wrote:

I found these gems.

They're called The Blue Album and Pinkerton.

Unless you're stupid, a couple of songs don't beat entire albums.

Re: [THREAD CLOSED] Porcupine Tree Vs Weezer

Xavygravy — Sun, 22 May 2011 01:22:42 GMT

Author: Xavygravy

Posted: 05/22/2011 05:22

I found these gems.

They're called The Blue Album and Pinkerton.

Unless you're stupid, a couple of songs don't beat entire albums.

Re: [THREAD CLOSED] Porcupine Tree Vs Weezer

SquishypuffDave — Sun, 22 May 2011 00:47:11 GMT

Author: SquishypuffDave

Posted: 05/22/2011 04:47

I found this gem:

Link

Yet another glorious b-side.

Re: [THREAD CLOSED] Porcupine Tree Vs Weezer

Anonymous — Sat, 21 May 2011 10:33:30 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 05/21/2011 14:33

Don't really mind who wins. I think I will not vote on this.

Re: [THREAD CLOSED] Porcupine Tree Vs Weezer

Xavygravy — Sat, 21 May 2011 02:01:09 GMT

Author: Xavygravy

Posted: 05/21/2011 06:01

Porcupine Tree don't even compare... 🙄