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Re: Albums of the current year

Anonymous — Mon, 23 Mar 2015 06:57:32 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 03/23/2015 10:57

albummaster wrote:

This idea was originally considered but you could then have inconsistencies between the year, decade, and overall charts where an album could be ranked higher in one chart, but lower in another due to the different scores. Also, one overall score for each album is more flexible & scalable than an arbitrary number of scores depending on how many types of aggregate chart there are here, especially with the possibility of other charts being added in the future (e.g. genre).

All true, but I would still prefer it. I guess I'm not too concerned about inconsistencies in the order of the various charts, so long as it was clearly explained in the header/FAQ that they were different things. Any new type of chart could be handled in the same way as year/decade/overall.

I mean, it's not a big deal, but year/decade charts may as well get no weight at all in the current system for all the impact they have on the rankings (2015 excepted, of course).

Re: Albums of the current year

albummaster — Mon, 23 Mar 2015 06:38:47 GMT

Author: albummaster

Posted: 03/23/2015 10:38

This idea was originally considered but you could then have inconsistencies between the year, decade, and overall charts where an album could be ranked higher in one chart, but lower in another due to the different scores. Also, one overall score for each album is more flexible & scalable than an arbitrary number of scores depending on how many types of aggregate chart there are here, especially with the possibility of other charts being added in the future (e.g. genre).

Re: Albums of the current year

craola — Mon, 23 Mar 2015 06:25:51 GMT

Author: craola

Posted: 03/23/2015 10:25

sp4cetiger wrote:

...I'd most prefer separate point counts for each type of chart (overall, decade, year). That way there'd be no more need for arbitrary scaling factors (like overall entries being worth 5 x decade charts) or arbitrary time cutoffs (like this one, where albums from the past year not counting when they're on overall charts).

I like this solution quite a bit, actually.

Re: Albums of the current year

albummaster — Mon, 23 Mar 2015 05:59:58 GMT

Author: albummaster

Posted: 03/23/2015 09:59

Things much better this way. If the hottest album of the moment is still hot next year, it'll deserve it's place (in the same way as everything else). The overall chart has to take a longer term view of things.

martintho wrote:

as i have stated earlier, where i threw in an example of the minor damages of the old way, i'm against it and here's an example: susanne sundfor's latest is currently holding a #9 position on the 2015. then you click on susanne sundfor to check out her catalog and find that her new album is the least popular of hers and THEN you scroll down to check her best songs according to the contributors of bea and find not to your surprise if you are familiar with the suspect-the-worst-algorhythm that the four "best" songs are from the "worst" LP. this might to say the least appear somewhat curious and unserious for the random visitor of this wonderful site.

You could sort the bestography by average rating and things would look more consistent but the issue you are highlighting only affects albums from the current year.

Re: Albums of the current year

martintho — Mon, 23 Mar 2015 05:49:37 GMT

Author: martintho

Posted: 03/23/2015 09:49

as i have stated earlier, where i threw in an example of the minor damages of the old way, i'm against it and here's an example: susanne sundfor's latest is currently holding a #9 position on the 2015. then you click on susanne sundfor to check out her catalog and find that her new album is the least popular of hers and THEN you scroll down to check her best songs according to the contributors of bea and find not to your surprise if you are familiar with the suspect-the-worst-algorhythm that the four "best" songs are from the "worst" LP. this might to say the least appear somewhat curious and unserious for the random visitor of this wonderful site.

Re: Albums of the current year

Anonymous — Sun, 22 Mar 2015 19:23:15 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 03/22/2015 23:23

Not entirely. I'm unhappy with the overall chart system, because I can't imagine many people "abusing" the system with overall charts. If overall charts gave a small amount of points based on the time of year it is, I'd be happy with that. But giving no points doesn't seem right. Still, it's not my algorithm, and I really don't have any reason to complain. All I want to see is the charts improve, and it's still too early in the year for one chart to decide the system with an overall.

Re: Albums of the current year

Anonymous — Sun, 22 Mar 2015 19:17:48 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 03/22/2015 23:17

I prefer the new system to the old one, but I'd most prefer separate point counts for each type of chart (overall, decade, year). That way there'd be no more need for arbitrary scaling factors (like overall entries being worth 5 x decade charts) or arbitrary time cutoffs (like this one, where albums from the past year not counting when they're on overall charts).

Re: Albums of the current year

Norman Bates — Sun, 22 Mar 2015 18:58:11 GMT

Author: Norman Bates

Posted: 03/22/2015 22:58

Patman360 wrote:

Yeah, I'm all for keeping the new way.

Re: Albums of the current year

Patman360 — Sun, 22 Mar 2015 18:22:34 GMT

Author: Patman360

Posted: 03/22/2015 22:22

Yeah, I'm all for keeping the new way.

Re: Albums of the current year

Anonymous — Sun, 22 Mar 2015 17:49:03 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 03/22/2015 21:49

Skinny wrote:

I like the new way personally.

Re: Albums of the current year

Skinny — Sun, 22 Mar 2015 17:45:42 GMT

Author: Skinny

Posted: 03/22/2015 21:45

I like the new way personally.

EDIT: Meaning I prefer the current method, in case there was any confusion.

Albums of the current year

SuedeSwede — Sun, 22 Mar 2015 17:40:12 GMT

Author: SuedeSwede

Posted: 03/22/2015 21:40

Although the current algorithm works for calculating more accurate year charts, I'm not sure I'm all for the idea of holding possible top 1000 entries from entering for a whole year. As in, I'd much rather see the effect on the overall chart than year specific ones, though I can't speak for others.

What's everyone else's perspective on this?

E: I realise I didn't really explain myself well. I mean that for 2015 albums, points are only given from decade and year charts and not overalls, meaning that 2015 albums have a small effect on the overall