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Re: Genre Extravaganza: Dub

Graeme2 — Thu, 16 Apr 2015 02:26:11 GMT

Author: Graeme2

Posted: 04/16/2015 06:26

Nice one cheers. Clears that up.

Re: Genre Extravaganza: Dub

Jimmy Dread — Wed, 15 Apr 2015 17:40:47 GMT

Author: Jimmy Dread

Posted: 04/15/2015 21:40

Graeme2 wrote:

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Blackboard Jungle Dub by The Upsetters

I'm confused and hope someone can help. Is this album from '73 (also know as "14 dub blackboard jungle" as per the cover, containing 14 tracks) the same as a later released album called "blackboard jungle dub" (containing only 12 tracks with different names and a drawing of a lion in a jungle on the front.)?
I want to get hold of the version that's talked about, however the lion one is easy to obtain and the other not. Tried to find out elsewhere and not conclusive. I assume it's the same.

Hey mate. The album cover pictured above is the Auralux remaster from the early 00s, which ironically is the exact same track listing as the original 73 issue. The 'lion cover' version, by which I guess you mean this one...

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...is an early 80s re-issue with different track titles and 2 cuts missing. Avoid it and hunt down the original/Auralux press if you can.

Re: Genre Extravaganza: Dub

Graeme2 — Wed, 15 Apr 2015 15:37:45 GMT

Author: Graeme2

Posted: 04/15/2015 19:37

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Re: Genre Extravaganza: Dub

Anonymous — Wed, 25 Mar 2015 14:44:19 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 03/25/2015 18:44

Thank you for it all Jim

Re: Genre Extravaganza: Dub

Skinny — Sun, 1 Mar 2015 08:12:44 GMT

Author: Skinny

Posted: 03/01/2015 13:12

Link

The A-side is lovely, but check the dub version (starts at 4.10). Out of this world.

Re: Genre Extravaganza: Dub

Jimmy Dread — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 15:57:53 GMT

Author: Jimmy Dread

Posted: 02/25/2015 20:57

dividesbyzero wrote:

amazing work Jim. Easily the best of these threads so far and by far the one supplying me with the most recs :love:

Jah bless, squire. When I get the chance I'll add a lickle bit about dub from late 80s to present, but I reckon the above will keep you all pretty busy for now.

In the meantime, witness the fitness. Big up.

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Re: Genre Extravaganza: Dub

Anonymous — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 15:41:29 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 02/25/2015 20:41

amazing work Jim. Easily the best of these threads so far and by far the one supplying me with the most recs 🥰

Re: Genre Extravaganza: Dub

Graeme2 — Tue, 24 Feb 2015 06:13:05 GMT

Author: Graeme2

Posted: 02/24/2015 11:13

Good work no wax j. Plenty here to check out in a genre I've always liked but not got stuck into bar comps. Mind you I've always found that garveys ghost to be decent enough but not having much to compare it to album wise. I've seen it get a right slagging in other places too.

Re: Genre Extravaganza: Dub

Skinny — Sun, 22 Feb 2015 17:39:33 GMT

Author: Skinny

Posted: 02/22/2015 22:39

noWaxJim wrote:

Trouble is you get into the realms of great albums (Horace Andy's In The Light and Burning Spear's Marcus Garvey) having naff dub wise LPs released in their wake.

Ne'er a truer word spoken. Marcus Garvey in dub is a fucking atrocity.

Re: Genre Extravaganza: Dub

Jimmy Dread — Sun, 22 Feb 2015 17:31:29 GMT

Author: Jimmy Dread

Posted: 02/22/2015 22:31

Thanks for all your kind words - hope you'll find something to treasure from the above picks.

Skinny man - interestingly I had considered a sub-section about the dub version LP. You're quite right about AMBFB1983 dub, and I would add Eastman Dub (the dub counterpart to Tetrack's Let's Get Started, another Pablo-produced set) as another one worth checking. Trouble is you get into the realms of great albums (Horace Andy's In The Light and Burning Spear's Marcus Garvey) having naff dub wise LPs released in their wake. Hence why I didn't bother.

However in reflection there are two glaring omissions of my own that have just popped into my head:

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Dubd'sco Vol 2 by Bunny Wailer

Check out Hypocritical Dub, a version of the Wailers' Hypocrites which also featured in a different form as The Entebbe Affair on ADAM vol.3

And this gem with perhaps my favourite dub album cover of all-time;

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Re: Genre Extravaganza: Dub

Norman Bates — Sun, 22 Feb 2015 15:17:10 GMT

Author: Norman Bates

Posted: 02/22/2015 20:17

Irie. EDIT: what a great job Jim.

Re: Genre Extravaganza: Dub

pa — Sun, 22 Feb 2015 15:05:02 GMT

Author: pa

Posted: 02/22/2015 20:05

Great, great introduction Jim
I'm so happy to read this thread.

Re: Genre Extravaganza: Dub

Anonymous — Sun, 22 Feb 2015 12:20:56 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 02/22/2015 17:20

Great selection of genre picks and a fantastic effort in putting this together. Cheers Jimmy 😁

Re: Genre Extravaganza: Dub

Skinny — Sun, 22 Feb 2015 11:15:11 GMT

Author: Skinny

Posted: 02/22/2015 16:15

Covered virtually all of my favourites (particular shout-out to Mikey Dread's African Anthem for being the first dub album I heard and loved), with a couple of things in there for me to check out. Only glaring omissions I can see are Augustus Pablo's dub version of Hugh Mundell's (also excellent) Africa Must Be Free By 1983 and a couple of other Hudson albums (Playing It Cool; Nuh Skin Up Dub). Fantastic stuff all round. May add a small chapter on the dubbier end of dubstep at some point, but this is a superb introduction that will hopefully lead to increased interest in one of my favourite genres. Big up Jimbo.

Re: Genre Extravaganza: Dub

mickilennial — Sun, 22 Feb 2015 10:48:28 GMT

Author: mickilennial

Posted: 02/22/2015 15:48

Such a wonderful introductory guide, this will be most helpful.

Re: Genre Extravaganza: Dub

Anonymous — Sun, 22 Feb 2015 10:42:27 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 02/22/2015 15:42

meccalecca wrote:

Praise Jah. We've struck the motherload.

Re: Genre Extravaganza: Dub

Patman360 — Sat, 21 Feb 2015 19:10:41 GMT

Author: Patman360

Posted: 02/22/2015 00:10

Cheers for this, you put some effort in there, I love the stuff I'm familiar with (Augustus Pablo, Joe Gibbs, Scientist and a few others), but it's always an area I've wanted to explore more and haven't known where to really approach it from.

Also reminded me I bought that Massive Attack about 5 years ago when I had more money, must be somewhere in my stash of CD's so I'm give that a listen if I can dig it out, been awhile.

Re: Genre Extravaganza: Dub

meccalecca — Sat, 21 Feb 2015 18:53:37 GMT

Author: meccalecca

Posted: 02/21/2015 23:53

Praise Jah. We've struck the motherload.

Re: Genre Extravaganza: Dub

Anonymous — Sat, 21 Feb 2015 18:41:26 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 02/21/2015 23:41

Damn, can't wait to dig my teeth into some of these. tyvm

Genre Extravaganza: Dub

Jimmy Dread — Sat, 21 Feb 2015 18:28:50 GMT

Author: Jimmy Dread

Posted: 02/21/2015 23:28

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A noWax Guide to DUB

"Dub mean raw riddim. Dub jus’ mean raw music, nuttin water-down... is like your creativeness off the riddim, without voice" - Prince Jammy

DUB - either a) a one-off acetate, a 'dub-plate' if you will, b) a remix, taking the vocal track off and replacing it with emphasis on 'drum' and 'bass' (D'u'B), or c) a cottage industry of engineering genius which has revolutionised studio production and musical output for the last 35 years, giving impetus to some of the greatest musical movements from the 80s to the present...

I appreciate some of you probably aren't keen to read through a whole load of history and recs, so for those wanting to paddle instead of swim into the deep end the best overview of dub from the 70s to the present can be found here...

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Like it or not, be you a dread or baldhead (or the sort of twat that puts on fucking Legend to get caned to with your spotty student friends), at least part of your music collection has been touched by dub in one way, shape or form. That's blindingly obvious if you're a skank like yours truly, but without the pioneering efforts of JA's dub forefathers trip-hop, jungle, dubstep (natch), the art of the remix and, most significantly, hip-hop wouldn't be. A bold claim for a sub-genre that comes from an island with just shy of 3 million residents (or 1/3 of the size of NYC's population), but fully justified. And here's why.

ORIGINS

Jamaican music has always been about the dance, and as such the music made by home producers (and imported from workers returning to the island after time spent working in the States) was made specifically to be played at Sound Systems. In the early days there were 3 main players - Coxsone Dodd, Duke Reid and Prince Buster (the Big 3, as Marley dubbed them - no pun intended). Their goal? To outdo each other, to get that exclusive record no other sound system would have and to ultimately make the crowd dance their tits off. There was, of course, a much easier way to make sure your rival didn't get hold of that stellar 45 - make your own music. On an island with a new-found zest for self-sufficiency (gaining independence from Britain in 1962), it was by extension that Jamaica's musical kingpins took matters into their own hands, launching the likes of Studio One (Dodd) and Treasure Isle (Reid) as stables to develop their own sounds.

Dub started with the version, essentially the instrumental track of the lead cut of a 45. Created by happy accident (thanks to an engineer for Reid's Treasure Isle leaving the vocals off an acetate of The Paragons' On The Beach), these allowed the resident sound system deejays to toast over the top of the rhythm tracks with careless abandon. Note the below, with The Paragons original followed by the version, toasted over by Daddy U Roy:

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With Treasure Isle now enjoying a surge in popularity, it wasn't long before Dodd and Buster were joining in on the act, and before long the B-Side of many a Jamaican 45 was the instrumental 'version' of the A side. Not dub in the truest sense - that would follow a few years later - but perhaps the best use of recycling this side of a bottle bank, and in the 'one riddim' albums that later followed a legacy that still holds to this day. The version ruled the sound systems during the rocksteady era, with deejays such as Count Machuki and King Stitt now the main attraction.

Tubby's A The Dub Organizer

Dub was - and still is - a musical form which doesn't care for the artist. It wouldn't make the blindest bit of difference if Augustus Pablo or Bobby Kalphat was playing the melodica, or if Robbie Shakespeare or Boris Gardiner was on bass duties. And it certainly couldn't give a toss about the vocalist. So it's perhaps little surprise that dub's greatest pioneer, Osbourne 'King Tubby' Ruddock, was no more than a skilled electronics engineer who started out repairing equipment for Duke Reid before starting a small sound system of his own. By 1972, and with U Roy in tow, Tubby's Hi-Fi had muscled in on Kingston's sound system scene, giving Tubby financial clout and allowing him to upgrade his modest studio to a multi-track facility, able to cut vocals and instruments in-and-out of the mix at will. Coupled with his aptitude for electronics and driven by a pursuit for sonic excellence, Tubby's took the riddim and manipulated, tinkered and warped instrumental cuts into a whole new art form. The dub. The remix.

For a chronological navigation of Tubby's enormous contribution to dub, you've got to start with...

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Blackboard Jungle Dub by The Upsetters

Essential set. Perry producing, Tubby in the mix. Wailers cuts such as Kaya and Dreamland, I-Roy and Dillinger popping up with inspired proclamations. Anyone with even a passing interest in the genre should make this a priority listen if they haven't already done so.

And of course...

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King Tubbys Meets Rockers Uptown by Augustus Pablo

Personally, this IS the dub album I prize above all others. Pablo's riddims - Baby I Love You So, Young Generation, even his cut of the Abyssinians' Satta Massagana - are warped with flying snares, snippets of piano, bass thicker than double cream and THAT MELODICA being faded in-and-out at will. One of the greatest instrumental LPs ever.

Then also worth seeking out...

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Termination Dub by Glen Brown & King Tubby

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Dub Conference Volume 1 by Harry Mudie & King Tubby

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Dub Me by Morwell Unlimited Meets King Tubby

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Dub From The Roots by King Tubby

There's a lot of trash out there with Tubby's name on, but generally anything from Blood And Fire is the best place to head - the Dub Gone Crazy set is well worth tracking down too. The important thing to note here is that Tubby is the engineer, not the producer. Despite all his skill and creativity, Tubby could never turn a turd into a golden nugget.

70s Dub LPs - other highlights

In addition to Blackboard Jungle Dub, the first dub LPs of the early 70s bridge the gap between the original version and the sonic mutations that followed. Prime example being:

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Pick A Dub by Keith Hudson

Aside from Tubby's essential sets mentioned above the most logical place to head next would be:

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African Dub All-Mighty, Chapter 3 by Joe Gibbs And The Professionals

A personal favourite. Despite producing Althea and Donna's "Uptown Top Ranking", Gibbs was a stellar producer who, in Errol Thompson, had an engineer who had the wizardry of Tubby and the daring of Scratch. You like your dub accompanied by cheap effects? Doorbells? Head here. Interesting to note the opening track - "Chapter 3" - is also a dub of Baby I Love You So, which Tubby dubbed on King Tubby Meets Rockers. Worth noting the different styles adopted - each engineer has their own 'sonic signature' of sorts.

...two others worth a listen, although either poorly distributed or unreleased at the time:

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Dub I by Jimmy Radway & The Fe Me Time All-Stars

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Boss Man's Dub by Linval Thompson & The Revolutionaries

Scratch and the Ark

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It's a strange paradox that a name most would immediately associate with 70s dub did not have the output to match. Although a sonic alchemist, Perry also had his own studio, his own acts, and produced some amazing LPs in the 70s, specifically Heart Of The Congos, War Inna Babylon and Police and Thieves. His most well-known dub album was...

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Super Ape by The Upsetters

...on which he manipulated his own riddims, adding Prince Jazzbo's deejay skills to the dub of Chase The Devil ("Croaking Lizard"). I've always found Super Ape a very limp effort, especially when compared to...

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Megaton Dub by Lee "Scratch" Perry

...which on a personal level is a much stronger set.

Scientist - the Apprentice In The Arena

Hopeton "Scientist" Brown was every bit the student to Tubby's professor. With a father who used to repair radios for a living, the precocious understudy got his break with Tubby following a spot of welding, praising the master's mixes and building amplifiers. Scientist stepped out of Tubby's shadows in the late 70s with some stonking sets on Greensleeves, taking Junjo Lawes and Linval Thompson's early dancehall riddims and morphing them into thematic albums, the best two of which being:

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Scientist Rids The World Of The Evil Curse Of The Vampires by Scientist

(which some of you may recognise - its tracks form the setlist from the dub station on GTA 3). And then there's...

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Scientist Meets The Space Invaders by Scientist

Although both the above are stellar, I personally prefer this set. There's more echo, more reverb and a lot more going on, even without the (albeit slightly corny) horror overtones of the aforementioned. The best drum and bass album of the 80s

Aside from the Greensleeves sets (of which there are 5 - the 2 above, ...World Cup, ...Pac Man and Dub Champion), Scientist continued his rich vein of output well into the mid 80s and beyond, even at times when his more traditional dub style was perhaps seen as antiquated in the face of new competition. For example, these sets are total treats:

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Meets Scientist At The Dub Station by Yabby You & Michael Prophet

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In The Kingdom Of Dub by Scientist

More 80s Dub

By this time Prince Jammy was starting to make a major impact as both a producer as well as a dub engineer - check out the following:

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Strictly Dub by Prince Jammy

..and in fact contributed to this set with Tubby:

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African Anthem by Mikey Dread

Jammy also jumped on Scientist's bandwagon with a themed dub-set that coincided with the VHS kung-fu boom in the 80s. I've just sold this LP to some dude in Glasgow - Shaolin Temple is a great cut:

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Prince Far-I's sets are also worth a look, the best being:

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Cry Tuff Dub Encounter Chapter III by Prince Far I

...and for something a little-more obscure try...

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Zion Hill by Bobby Kalphat & The Sunshot All-Stars

or...

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D.C Dub Connection by Earl Morgan

Beyond JA - Dub Goes Global

With the Jamaican diaspora taking roots in major metropolitan areas around the world, the spread of both reggae and dub soon started to impact outside the mixing desks of Kingston:

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Dub Me Crazy Pt. 1 by Mad Professor

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LKJ in Dub by Linton Kwesi Johnson

Mixed by Dennis Bovell, also responsible for producing The Slits. Reggae/Dub and punk were happy bedfellows in the late 70s/early 80s, both representing the downtrodden classes against the forces of a hopeless government/babylon which didn't speak either for or to them. c.f. Clash's White Riot, Guns Of Brixton, cover of Police and Thieves, etc.

And don't forget the Wackies stable from NYC. Some of the best dub to come out of anywhere in the 80s - thick, sparse production values akin to the Black Ark in its heyday. Witness:

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Interesting to note with Wackies the growth in stature of the 'Showcase' LP, which cobbles the vocal track and a dub version together side-by-side on one LP. Best examples naturally being:

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Showcase by Junior Delahaye

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Bubble Up by Wayne Jarrett

And of course...

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Dance Hall Style by Horace Andy

And in a similar mould from the UK the comedy stylings of the late, great...

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The Original Smiley Culture by Smiley Culture

Cockney Translation and Police Officer have to be heard to be believed. Amazing snapshots of life in 80s London, also famed for being allowed to utter the word 'ganja' on TOTP c. '85

The One-Riddim Album

Dub taken to its logical conclusion, from a Jamaican perspective at least. Note the birth of ragga thanks to this, which was based on a demo setting on a Casio keyboard and supposedly was a rip-off of Something Else by Eddie Cochran (believe that if you must!):

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Sleng Teng by Wayne Smith

...and the riddim going full circle by providing the back-drop to these two stellar and utterly essential mid-80s dancehall stonkers:

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And Finally...

The dub LP goes indie...

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Echo Dek by Primal Scream

...has a dalliance with trip-hop...

No Protection by Massive Attack

...and does a lickle bit of a tangle with some UK hip-hop (to great effect):

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Dub Come Save Me by Roots Manuva

I could go into dub-step, jungle, etc. etc. but these are for someone else for another day. My work here is done.

Enough of the history lesson. Lie back, headphones on, bill up a spliff (or vape yourself crazy) and dub it to the top.

One love.

(PS - may add some more to this in a while. I've been tapping away for 3 hours straight and I need a smoke) 🤣