Best Ever Albums

Re: Musical taste is never the same.

JOSweetHeart — Mon, 5 Oct 2015 21:37:04 GMT

Author: JOSweetHeart

Posted: 10/06/2015 01:37

CubaZed wrote:

The fact that people focus on JOS is only because of the 40 page thread.

I won't deny my consistency in that chat. To be 100% honest though, there are things having to do with James that I have found that I could've added to the chat but I never did. Why didn't I add them? I didn't want to irritate those who don't like the chat about him being here more than I already have, so I decided to just stick to what is most important about what goes on with James when it goes on with him. 😄 😄 😄

God bless you and him always!!! 😄 😄 😄

Holly

P.S. Oh and to be fair, if you look at the chat, you will see that I have had plenty of help where its growth is concerned. Help that I have very much appreciated, don't get me wrong. I am very thankful for all of it. 😄 😄 😄

Re: Musical taste is never the same.

Decurso — Sun, 4 Oct 2015 16:59:36 GMT

Author: Decurso

Posted: 10/04/2015 20:59

I have had absolutely zero problem with being taken to task for what is or is not on my charts and I extend the same courtesy to others. To each their own is my moto. I have no Radiohead, Arcade Fire, Green Day, U2, Nirvana or Coldplay in any of my charts. I can not recall a single time someone has made an issue out of it. To be honest, I think it's a very rare occurrence here.

Re: Musical taste is never the same.

SquishypuffDave — Sat, 3 Oct 2015 22:36:05 GMT

Author: SquishypuffDave

Posted: 10/04/2015 02:36

Applerill wrote:

Quote:

Cool Guy: The assumption that BEA is radically against objectivity is a fucking farce
The whole site exists to promote a single canon and follow a single trend-stream
If we didn't care about objectivity we wouldn't think JOSweetHeart's taste was so funny
We wouldn't be on a site fucking CALLED "best ever albums"
We wouldn't rank or rate each other's charts

None of this has anything to do with objectivity. My chart ratings tend to boil down to utility:

1. Do they have similar taste?
2. Are there albums here I haven't heard?

Charts that only fill one criteria are of little value. Subjectively.

I don't think many active members here take the name and mission statement of the site seriously. Most people are here because they want to find new music.

Applerill wrote:

Quote:

Cool Guy: It's all about cultural and social capital
We enforce our own notions of taste through the rating and ranking system on others, force them to conform or leave.
The rating system literally CONDITIONS users to like the same kind of music
Because we rate each other's tastes
"Who among us is the most tasteful?" is the real question asked by BEA
It's an internet cool kids contest

I agree about the cultural/social capital thing. I don't think it's so much that we are conditioned to like the same kind of music (though it's obviously true to an extent since taste doesn't exist in a vacuum). It's more that we are conditioned to share the same attitudes about music. Being well-listened, open to different forms, etc. Maybe some of the lower rated charts receive their low scores because users sense some kind of attitude they don't like? Just a guess.

As far as I know there aren't any albums I would have liked if not for BEA, but there are plenty I would have dismissed if not for BEA. In many cases BEA has explicitly dismantled my own musical "prejudices".

tl;dr: Valuing something isn't the same as saying it has objective value. Cool Guy doesn't know what objective value means.

Re: Musical taste is never the same.

PsychologistHD — Sat, 3 Oct 2015 20:05:32 GMT

Author: PsychologistHD

Posted: 10/04/2015 00:05

luis721 wrote:

What do you think about these people who "cries" when somebody gives a low rate about Radiohead or criticises them?

i think i'm one of those people and if you don't like madlib or death grips i will blow spit straight into your earholes until they are properly lubricated to be penetrated by mc rides voice

"I'LL TAKE MY LIFE LIKE I KEPT IT"

Re: Musical taste is never the same.

Tap — Sat, 3 Oct 2015 19:00:49 GMT

Author: Tap

Posted: 10/03/2015 23:00

yeah exit sense's charts rule. also my overall does pretty ok on the ratings and it seems pretty far removed from the canon here.

Re: Musical taste is never the same.

SuedeSwede — Sat, 3 Oct 2015 18:51:53 GMT

Author: SuedeSwede

Posted: 10/03/2015 22:51

IForgotWhat8Was4 wrote:

(chuckles) Honestly, I think Pure Heroine is better than Ok Computer 😎

Link

special snowflakes can't burn

but seriously, I'd definitely argue BEA has a bigger concentration on the subjective, I at least do. it's not that certain albums in a chart (that I'm rating) don't fit with BEA's taste but not mine if I rate it badly (or I can't take any recs from it or whatever).

this chart
Top 100 Greatest Music Albums by Exit Sense

is probably my favourite on the site because it has so much to explore, and I just love the uniqueness. if I was taking an objective stance on this I'd say "you share 1/100 with the BEA chart therefore your taste doesn't align with the supposed 'best ever albums'", so no, I disagree with the view that BEA (or its members) is mainly objective

Re: Musical taste is never the same.

Anonymous — Sat, 3 Oct 2015 18:34:57 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 10/03/2015 22:34

I've never understood the huge hype for Radiohead. Ok Computer and In Rainbows are the only albums I like.
I honestly think that there are many albums that are WAY BETTER than any of Radioheads albums.

(chuckles) Honestly, I think Pure Heroine is better than Ok Computer 😎

Link

Re: Musical taste is never the same.

9999 — Sat, 3 Oct 2015 15:13:12 GMT

Author: 9999

Posted: 10/03/2015 19:13

Yeah well, Justin Bieber is not the only musical act with unbearable fans. I once said that Kid A didn't sound that good to me (an opinion I still stand behind after several listens) and a couple of users almost burned me alive.

Re: Musical taste is never the same.

Anonymous — Sat, 3 Oct 2015 15:12:17 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 10/03/2015 19:12

Quote:

[7/21/15, 8:40:21 PM] Cool Guy: If we didn't care about objectivity we wouldn't think JOSweetHeart's taste was so funny

Interesting point but I'd argue people find it funny more because the sheer absurdness of how every post she makes follows the same formula that's prone to mockery. If it was purely taste we would laugh at every user with Bieber or T-Swift in their overall which we clearly don't, in fact the users here tend to ignore people with different taste (which is almost worse). The fact that people focus on JOS is only because of the 40 page thread.

Re: Musical taste is never the same.

Applerill — Sat, 3 Oct 2015 15:08:21 GMT

Author: Applerill

Posted: 10/03/2015 19:08

Man, this reminds me of a Skype convo I once had with a prominent BEA'er (whose name has been removed). I hope this doesn't hurt your feelings (I don't even know if I 100% agree with what he says), but I feel like his explanation of how BEA works answers Luis's question better than anything else I can type.

Quote:

[7/21/15, 8:40:00 PM] Cool Guy: The assumption that BEA is radically against objectivity is a fucking farce
[7/21/15, 8:40:05 PM]Cool Guy s: The whole site exists to promote a single canon and follow a single trend-stream
[7/21/15, 8:40:21 PM] Cool Guy: If we didn't care about objectivity we wouldn't think JOSweetHeart's taste was so funny
[7/21/15, 8:40:30 PM] Cool Guy: We wouldn't be on a site fucking CALLED "best ever albums"
[7/21/15, 8:40:38 PM] Cool Guy: We wouldn't rank or rate each other's charts
[7/21/15, 8:40:42 PM] Cool Guy: It's complete nonsense
[7/23/15, 6:22:16 PM] Cool Guy: We say we don't believe in objectivity because that as an idea sounds cool and democratic
[7/21/15, 8:41:17 PM] Cool Guy: It's absolutely objective, we prescribe on BEA to certain musical "Truths"
[7/21/15, 8:41:56 PM] Cool Guy: It's all about cultural and social capital
[7/23/15, 6:22:40 PM]Cool Guy I just finished Let's Talk About Love and it REALLY hit me
[7/21/15, 8:43:14 PM] Cool Guy: Wilson is absolutely right
[7/21/15, 8:43:20 PM] Cool Guy: There's no defending it
[7/21/15, 8:43:29 PM] Cool Guy: BEA is a classist cesspool
[7/21/15, 8:43:55 PM] Cool Guy: We enforce our own notions of taste through the rating and ranking system on others, force them to conform or leave.
[7/21/15, 8:44:21 PM] Cool Guy: The rating system literally CONDITIONS users to like the same kind of music
[7/21/15, 8:44:29 PM] Cool Guy: Because we rate each other's tastes
[7/21/15, 8:44:54 PM] Cool Guy: "Who among us is the most tasteful?" is the real question asked by BEA
[7/21/15, 8:45:08 PM] Cool Guy: It's an internet cool kids contest

Re: Musical taste is never the same.

Tap — Sat, 3 Oct 2015 14:14:44 GMT

Author: Tap

Posted: 10/03/2015 18:14

luis721 wrote:

I admire people who's got enough bravery to comment something against Radiohead, yes, those users are really telling us what they think.

Actually because of the rise of metacriticism and the parallel opinion balance, no one is telling us what they really think. It's all a carefully crafted amplification of their thoughts designed to phase cancel the hyperbole they disagree with. People do mean what they say of course, it's just always actually less.

Or not, I don't know.

But yeah the musical landscape is vast and our perspectives on it are uniquely shaped by our life experiences and the value systems we bring to it create an infinite number of perspectives and it is genuinely great. People who get mad about it need to chill.

Bro, Radiohead is my 4th favourite band

luis721 — Sat, 3 Oct 2015 13:56:53 GMT

Author: luis721

Posted: 10/03/2015 17:56

Radiohead is my 4th favourite band, but that doesn't means that I should kill everyone who dislikes them.

Re: Musical taste is never the same.

Antonio-Pedro — Sat, 3 Oct 2015 13:51:15 GMT

Author: Antonio-Pedro

Posted: 10/03/2015 17:51

I cry Because Radiohead is the best band of all time, and have all amazing album and pablo horny should be #1 on the overall, and all people that disagree are wrong, or have some problem, or shouldn't have ears, Or should just eat sand, you bunch of dadrockers that only listen to oasis and u2.

God bless you and Thom always *insert smiley faces here*

Musical taste is never the same.

luis721 — Sat, 3 Oct 2015 13:47:15 GMT

Author: luis721

Posted: 10/03/2015 17:47

Why do people in this web cry when somebody criticises Radiohead or similars?
People cry and argue if somebody doesn`t have Radiohead in their charts or if any of their albums is under any other band, well, they maybe one of the best ever bands, but that doens't means that if somebody just don't like them you shouldn't begin to argue.
I admire people who's got enough bravery to comment something against Radiohead, yes, those users are really telling us what they think.
What do you think about these people who "cries" when somebody gives a low rate about Radiohead or criticises them? Or are you one of these cryers?