Best Ever Albums

Re: Corrections / Amendments

albummaster — Sun, 14 Feb 2016 05:18:04 GMT

Author: albummaster

Posted: 02/14/2016 10:18

Quote:

Running into this again with Are You Experienced?

But hey, I'm happy with the way it is... it really is a small thing, but I do kinda like how wikipedia has it listed all in page with the different releases, re-releases with different tracks, etc. That way you can see all the different forms the album takes.

But I also get wanting to keep it to the original release to simplify things and to keep true to the original release.

It's a complex issue.

It's right to raise the issue. It is one of the things about BEA that doesn't work to everyone's liking sometimes. I think, at some point, I'd like to update the site so that different versions of the same release can be grouped together but for the moment, it's far easier to manage the site with the consistent rule that the original version of an album is the 'master' release.

Re: Corrections / Amendments

RoundTheBend — Sat, 13 Feb 2016 22:55:15 GMT

Author: RoundTheBend

Posted: 02/14/2016 03:55

albummaster wrote:

sethmadsen wrote:

Sorry if this is the wrong place for this, but not sure where else to ask.

Anyone suggest how to deal with special editions, UK vs US releases, etc? Beatles are good example of this with different track listing pending on which side of the pond you live.

BEA only lists the original release of an album, so whichever one came first is the one that is listed on the site and the 'regular' release will always take priority over the 'special' release if they are by chance released on the same day.

sethmadsen wrote:

Also I want to have a B-sides list and U2 has a The Best of 1990–2000 & B-Sides special release on top of the The Best of 1990–2000... Should I create a separate album for the B-Sides since it is a separate disk/collection or should I add to the existing album.

How Wikipedia has it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Best_of_1990%E2%80%932000#Limited_Edition_B-sides_Disc

If that disc only exists as part of the special edition version, and it's not a separate release in its own right, then under the current rules it shouldn't be listed on BEA.

Thanks!

Running into this again with Are You Experienced?

But hey, I'm happy with the way it is... it really is a small thing, but I do kinda like how wikipedia has it listed all in page with the different releases, re-releases with different tracks, etc. That way you can see all the different forms the album takes.

But I also get wanting to keep it to the original release to simplify things and to keep true to the original release.

It's a complex issue.

Re: Corrections / Amendments

albummaster — Thu, 4 Feb 2016 05:11:00 GMT

Author: albummaster

Posted: 02/04/2016 10:11

sethmadsen wrote:

If that disc only exists as part of the special edition version, and it's not a separate release in its own right, then under the current rules it shouldn't be listed on BEA.

Re: Corrections / Amendments

RoundTheBend — Wed, 3 Feb 2016 23:06:42 GMT

Author: RoundTheBend

Posted: 02/04/2016 04:06

Sorry if this is the wrong place for this, but not sure where else to ask.

Anyone suggest how to deal with special editions, UK vs US releases, etc? Beatles are good example of this with different track listing pending on which side of the pond you live.

Also I want to have a B-sides list and U2 has a The Best of 1990–2000 & B-Sides special release on top of the The Best of 1990–2000... Should I create a separate album for the B-Sides since it is a separate disk/collection or should I add to the existing album.

How Wikipedia has it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Best_of_1990%E2%80%932000#Limited_Edition_B-sides_Disc

Re: Corrections / Amendments

albummaster — Thu, 28 Jan 2016 08:09:38 GMT

Author: albummaster

Posted: 01/28/2016 13:09

Romanelli has said all that needs to be said in terms of how the site works. The site currently gives you an hour to yourself (once you've added an album to the site) to fill in the rest of the details. Once the hour has elapsed, the item becomes available to everybody else to edit. This ensure that items can be filled out in a timely manner should the person that added them be unable/unwilling to do this. As Romanelli alluded to, there is currently a back-log of items in the moderation queue due to the large number of items that have been added recently. I expect that everything will return to normal soon enough so please bear with us all in the interim.

Apologies, the Jesu / Sun Kil Moon album was flagged in error, the release date for this album was slightly earlier than expected and it had not been automatically unflagged.

Re: Corrections / Amendments

Romanelli — Wed, 27 Jan 2016 17:14:10 GMT

Author: Romanelli

Posted: 01/27/2016 22:14

Satie wrote:

I think an hour is fair, and I also agree that the point shouldn't be calling dibs on points or something by filling the database with garbage that you'll eventually get around to adding. My point, which might have departed from the OP due to initial misunderstanding of what they were suggesting, was that those without Data Moderator privileges can do their edits within the allotted one hour and, as far as I know, get locked out once they save, having to then merely request changes rather than being able to apply them. This puts added stuff in the queue for data moderators with the discretion to approve or deny changes because someone clicked Submit too early. But maybe I'm not familiar with that infrastructure - the few times I've worked up from 0 points, I've been a data moderator within a day or so of starting my account.

I have rarely seen a situation where someone has had to request a change that they couldn't make themselves. As far as I'm aware, new users are not locked out once they save...AM would have to clarify that. As for the OP, he is already a level 8 user, and will surely be at data moderator status quickly if not already.

Re: Corrections / Amendments

Anonymous — Wed, 27 Jan 2016 17:13:00 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 01/27/2016 22:13

I think deep in the website's code, it just couldn't bring itself to allow people to spread the untruth that Sun Kil Moon and Jesu make albums that could be considered the Best Ever. 😜

Re: Corrections / Amendments

Romanelli — Wed, 27 Jan 2016 17:05:36 GMT

Author: Romanelli

Posted: 01/27/2016 22:05

Patman360 wrote:

Agreed, it's currently an hour (I think?) but a bit more time would be beneficial, especially in the cases of significant chart updates with numerous new albums for example.

Speaking of corrections, any idea why this the new Jesu / Sun Kil Moon album is still suspect? Something seems to have gone wrong there...

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Jesu / Sun Kil Moon by Jesu / Sun Kil Moon

Right now, if people work from the bottom up, it should not be an issue.

As for the album, I can't unlock it, and I can't see a reason why it should be locked. I noted the album for AM, and I will send him a PM as well.

Re: Corrections / Amendments

Anonymous — Wed, 27 Jan 2016 17:04:24 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 01/27/2016 22:04

I think an hour is fair, and I also agree that the point shouldn't be calling dibs on points or something by filling the database with garbage that you'll eventually get around to adding. My point, which might have departed from the OP due to initial misunderstanding of what they were suggesting, was that those without Data Moderator privileges can do their edits within the allotted one hour and, as far as I know, get locked out once they save, having to then merely request changes rather than being able to apply them. This puts added stuff in the queue for data moderators with the discretion to approve or deny changes because someone clicked Submit too early. But maybe I'm not familiar with that infrastructure - the few times I've worked up from 0 points, I've been a data moderator within a day or so of starting my account.

Re: Corrections / Amendments

Patman360 — Wed, 27 Jan 2016 16:59:56 GMT

Author: Patman360

Posted: 01/27/2016 21:59

Satie wrote:

I like RYM's example of the person who originally added the album having a bit of wiggle room on editing it without moderator approval for some amount of time after first adding it to the database.

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Jesu / Sun Kil Moon by Jesu / Sun Kil Moon

Re: Corrections / Amendments

Romanelli — Wed, 27 Jan 2016 16:55:50 GMT

Author: Romanelli

Posted: 01/27/2016 21:55

I will say this...we've been running at about a week behind for albums that are not moderated immediately by the user who entered them. Which is far beyond what it's been in the past, but that's where it is now. What you may be running into is people working data moderation from the top instead of the bottom, which could be the cause of someone doing your albums soon after your exclusive time of one hour is up. I always work from the oldest to newest...when things are behind, as they have been recently, you won't run into that from me...but I'm not the only one doing the work.

As for the one hour, in a perfect world, and as it has been in the past, the idea is to get things done in a timely manner so that you can have the albums on your charts with tracklists and cover art in place, not so you have a long period of time to do them at your leisure. AM has determined that an hour is fair...I agree with that wholly. I frequently add albums to the database, and I have never once had an issue with not being able to enter the details because the hour has expired and someone beat me to it. It's a good system, and a fair one. If you enter an album and want the mod points for it, you should do the entries immediately. It realistically takes no more than 5 minutes for a 30 track box set...a single, 12 track album should take you about a minute or two. Faster for you, as you seem to not do any of the album covers.

For those who are helping with data moderation on albums that you yourself did not enter...thank you. And it may be helpful in this specific instance if you work oldest entered to newest instead of grabbing from the top. The older ones should be priority anyway.

Re: Corrections / Amendments

Anonymous — Wed, 27 Jan 2016 16:40:28 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 01/27/2016 21:40

I don't know if I agree that albums should be left unlocked for a certain period of time, especially not a period so long as two weeks, but I like RYM's example of the person who originally added the album having a bit of wiggle room on editing it without moderator approval for some amount of time after first adding it to the database.

Re: Corrections / Amendments

Anonymous — Wed, 27 Jan 2016 16:31:03 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 01/27/2016 21:31

iancrockert141 wrote:

Why are albums locked so quickly? I Only added an album a few hours ago with the intention of returning to it later to add track/song titles and I can't because it has been locked before I was finished. Perhaps albums should be left unlocked for a couple of weeks or longer.

I think you need a certain number of moderator points before you have access to locked albums?

Re: Corrections / Amendments

Romanelli — Wed, 27 Jan 2016 16:30:40 GMT

Author: Romanelli

Posted: 01/27/2016 21:30

Which album are you referring to?

Corrections / Amendments

iancrockert141 — Wed, 27 Jan 2016 15:38:26 GMT

Author: iancrockert141

Posted: 01/27/2016 20:38

Why are albums locked so quickly? I Only added an album a few hours ago with the intention of returning to it later to add track/song titles and I can't because it has been locked before I was finished. Perhaps albums should be left unlocked for a couple of weeks or longer.