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Re: ALC16 #6: Breadwoman & Other Tales

SuedeSwede — Tue, 15 Mar 2016 15:23:24 GMT

Author: SuedeSwede

Posted: 03/15/2016 19:23

meccalecca wrote:

Just saying that RYM, which you stated as your reference for how a release year is defined, seems to consider this a new, separate release. I guess they consider roughly 20 minutes of a additional material pretty significant. But this is a fruitless argument.

actually it doesn't, it considers it a reissue. which it is.

Re: ALC16 #6: Breadwoman & Other Tales

Anonymous — Tue, 15 Mar 2016 15:01:36 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 03/15/2016 19:01

Gowi wrote:

I liked the album but I didn’t really enjoy the ideas expressed too much

What do you see as the difference between the sonic content and the ideas expressed, and what ideas expressed did you dislike?

Re: ALC16 #6: Breadwoman & Other Tales

Grzywa — Tue, 15 Mar 2016 14:27:46 GMT

Author: Grzywa

Posted: 03/15/2016 18:27

Regardless of the year confusion, I found it interesting on the first two listens. There's something simple yet obsessive in her singing that gives it a sort of tribal quality, and I frequently thought of African music while listening to her vocal lines, although I also heard a bit of pre-recording era blues in some tracks, notably in Ee Che, which has probably been my favourite so far.

The lengthy last two tracks are a different story. The screeching and hissing that supposedly imitates sirens singing (I guess), and looped whispers are possibly more complex and vocally adventurous, but somehow less enjoyable for me.

Overall, not a bad choice. I'll definitely get back to it, thanks.

Re: ALC16 #6: Breadwoman & Other Tales

mickilennial — Tue, 15 Mar 2016 14:00:50 GMT

Author: mickilennial

Posted: 03/15/2016 18:00

I see why from your perspective you did it, but being belittled about my perspective on the last page seems kind of shitty to me which has almost turned me off from ALC right now. With that said, I liked the album but I didn’t really enjoy the ideas expressed too much— worth a listen, hope to like it more on repeats.

Re: ALC16 #6: Breadwoman & Other Tales

RockyRaccoon — Tue, 15 Mar 2016 13:43:38 GMT

Author: RockyRaccoon

Posted: 03/15/2016 17:43

I'll be honest, I didn't think it was that big of a deal, but if it is, I apologize. It had seemed to me that most music publications that have reviewed this album considered it to be a 2016 release and so I went with that, my apologies if that was misguided.

Re: ALC16 #6: Breadwoman & Other Tales

Tap — Tue, 15 Mar 2016 12:58:17 GMT

Author: Tap

Posted: 03/15/2016 16:58

I get where he's coming from because this is basically an expanded reissue of an older release. And I think further discussion of what sorts of archival/reissued releases would be allowed for this would be good to clear up in the main ALC thread. But since this thread exists and this album is pretty great I think we should spend the rest of it talking about the album.

Re: ALC16 #6: Breadwoman & Other Tales

meccalecca — Tue, 15 Mar 2016 12:15:38 GMT

Author: meccalecca

Posted: 03/15/2016 16:15

Gowi wrote:

Now that's being even more pedantic. You know the main issue of Breadwoman as per RYM is 1985 and don't pretend because it got reissued as "Breadwoman & Other Tales" it makes it different.

Re: ALC16 #6: Breadwoman & Other Tales

Tap — Tue, 15 Mar 2016 12:04:05 GMT

Author: Tap

Posted: 03/15/2016 16:04

Gowi, your position is abundantly clear and requires no further elaboration.

Re: ALC16 #6: Breadwoman & Other Tales

mickilennial — Tue, 15 Mar 2016 11:52:28 GMT

Author: mickilennial

Posted: 03/15/2016 15:52

Now that's being even more pedantic. You know the main issue of Breadwoman as per RYM is 1985 and don't pretend because it got reissued as "Breadwoman & Other Tales" it makes it different. You are just taking my framework and manipulating it so it looks like I'm stating a logical fallacy in an attempt to condescend what I'm saying which I really don't fucking approve of.

I truly thought you had more respect for me than that.

Re: ALC16 #6: Breadwoman & Other Tales

meccalecca — Tue, 15 Mar 2016 11:50:02 GMT

Author: meccalecca

Posted: 03/15/2016 15:50

Gowi wrote:

I go by how RYM and IMDB-like sites define year of release for film.

RYM wrote:

Breadwoman & Other Tales
Released: February 5, 2016

Re: ALC16 #6: Breadwoman & Other Tales

Anonymous — Tue, 15 Mar 2016 11:49:03 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 03/15/2016 15:49

Aw, shucks, well I guess you're gonna be mad if I make my next ALC This Heat's Deceit like I was planning 🙁

Re: ALC16 #6: Breadwoman & Other Tales

mickilennial — Tue, 15 Mar 2016 11:46:11 GMT

Author: mickilennial

Posted: 03/15/2016 15:46

meccalecca wrote:

Gowi wrote:

Yeah, I get that. But for the sake of me continuing to be pedantic: I consider a 2016 release to be something made for 2016, no reissues... no remasters... etc. I will still listen and like to be aware of reissues/remasters, but I will not consider them 2016 releases and in a discussion about music of 2016 it should pertain to music of 2016.

Am I making any sense?

You're not being pedantic enough. It is indeed a 2016 release by definition that it was released in 2016. You're confusing date of release with date of creation.

If a band records an album in late 2013, and then takes a while to find a record label, press vinyl copies, etc, and the release ends up not coming out until 2016, is it still a 2016 release in your eyes?

Is it the original release of the art? Yes.

I go by how RYM and IMDB-like sites define year of release for film.

Re: ALC16 #6: Breadwoman & Other Tales

meccalecca — Tue, 15 Mar 2016 11:44:52 GMT

Author: meccalecca

Posted: 03/15/2016 15:44

Gowi wrote:

Re: ALC16 #6: Breadwoman & Other Tales

Anonymous — Tue, 15 Mar 2016 11:43:31 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 03/15/2016 15:43

It's also highly unlikely that whatever weird outsider cassette tape s getting pieced together somewhere right now in 2016 is gonna get exposure in these threads. I welcome the variety of styles that get opened up if we let reissues of music we're unlikely to have heard to step in once in awhile. Ben Zimmerman's compilation was one of my highlights of last year, and I would have been more than happy to get exposed to that in one of these threads.

Re: ALC16 #6: Breadwoman & Other Tales

mickilennial — Tue, 15 Mar 2016 11:40:43 GMT

Author: mickilennial

Posted: 03/15/2016 15:40

Yeah, I get that. But for the sake of me continuing to be pedantic: I consider a 2016 release to be something made for 2016, no reissues... no remasters... etc. I will still listen and like to be aware of reissues/remasters, but I will not consider them 2016 releases and in a discussion about music of 2016 it should pertain to music of 2016.

Am I making any sense?

Re: ALC16 #6: Breadwoman & Other Tales

meccalecca — Tue, 15 Mar 2016 11:34:33 GMT

Author: meccalecca

Posted: 03/15/2016 15:34

Gowi wrote:

Quote:

If it were something like a Zeppelin reissue, that'd obviously be a different story.

Why? Because it happens to be obscure comparatively?

Yes, that's precisely the reason. Many reissues barely even existed in their previous life. The point of reissues like this is to bring light to something that never got the chance the first time around. The point of other reissues (like a remaster of a Beatles record) is to make a buck.

Here's an example for you:

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Trotro by DJ Katapila

This record has essentially existed on a tape somewhere in Ghana for a while now, but only a handful of people ever heard it before Awesome Tapes released it this year.

I'm simply interested in finding music I like. What year it technically came out matters none.

Re: ALC16 #6: Breadwoman & Other Tales

mickilennial — Tue, 15 Mar 2016 11:29:17 GMT

Author: mickilennial

Posted: 03/15/2016 15:29

Quote:

If it were something like a Zeppelin reissue, that'd obviously be a different story.

Why? Because it happens to be obscure comparatively? I think that's a bit of a leap and unfair to actual LP's created for 2016. But again, I'm just being pedantic apparently.

Re: ALC16 #6: Breadwoman & Other Tales

meccalecca — Tue, 15 Mar 2016 11:28:04 GMT

Author: meccalecca

Posted: 03/15/2016 15:28

Gowi wrote:

Quote:

track 6 seems unreleased though and 7 I can't find any record of the release it came from supposedly, so I think it's fair to consider this a 2016 release.

So any artist can remaster/rerecord the majority of their album from 30 years ago and slap two new songs on the end of it and its considered a new release?

C'mon. That's utter nonsense.

Technically, it's probably best described as a reissue with bonus material, but since it's not super well known and the reissue came out in 2016, I have zero problem with this being considered a 2016 release for the sake of ALC16.

If it were something like a Zeppelin reissue, that'd obviously be a different story.

Re: ALC16 #6: Breadwoman & Other Tales

mickilennial — Tue, 15 Mar 2016 11:27:56 GMT

Author: mickilennial

Posted: 03/15/2016 15:27

I mean it is me being pedantic, sure, but I think its a worthwhile point to make. Heh.

Re: ALC16 #6: Breadwoman & Other Tales

Anonymous — Tue, 15 Mar 2016 11:26:21 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 03/15/2016 15:26

ALCwhateverfuckingyearwhocaresyouhaven'thearditanyway #6: Breadwoman & Other Tales