Best Ever Albums

Re: Best Metal Album, Round 1: Welcome to Hell vs Threne

babyBlueSedan — Sun, 20 Nov 2016 10:53:06 GMT

Author: babyBlueSedan

Posted: 11/20/2016 15:53

Welcome to Hell wins 11-4

Re: Best Metal Album, Round 1: Welcome to Hell vs Threne

Temporary33 — Wed, 16 Nov 2016 23:30:55 GMT

Author: Temporary33

Posted: 11/17/2016 04:30

Welcome to hell has high energy and despite not really even knowing what the music sounded like, the album was good precisely due to that energy.

Thrène was unmemorable or more along the lines of not complete to begin with. Perhaps it's the way the group wanted to sound, but it really didn't feel all there and the atmosphere wasn't all that good.

EDIT: vote to venom.

Re: Best Metal Album, Round 1: Welcome to Hell vs Threne

Anonymous — Wed, 16 Nov 2016 16:48:06 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 11/16/2016 21:48

Gowi wrote:

Quote:

More likely Discharge has the Venom influence?

No. Considering Discharge was recording all the way up to 1979, and it is abundantly clear Discharge (and Crust Punk in general) is a central influence of thrash and speed metal bands that were developing at the time of which Venom is included it is not the other way around.

I didnt speak of thrash metal, i was just speaking of Venom. Discharge were just Sex Pistols imitators until '79 and Venom started playing in '79 too, and Venom started recording things the same year Discharge started recording the raw stuff. Also i've never heard of Discharge speaking about Venom's influences (but if you have something then link). Most probably both bands influenced each others during those years. However Discharge's HNSNSN, which is their most important work, was sure influenced by Venom.
Also i dont know much about, but wasn't crust punk born during the middle 80s?

Re: Best Metal Album, Round 1: Welcome to Hell vs Threne

Hayden — Wed, 16 Nov 2016 14:38:38 GMT

Author: Hayden

Posted: 11/16/2016 19:38

dividesbyzero wrote:

haven't heard that Sui Caedere album but it'd better be pretty good because Venom are

Same... hoping to give it a listen tomorrow or Friday.

Re: Best Metal Album, Round 1: Welcome to Hell vs Threne

mickilennial — Wed, 16 Nov 2016 14:00:27 GMT

Author: mickilennial

Posted: 11/16/2016 19:00

Quote:

More likely Discharge has the Venom influence?

Re: Best Metal Album, Round 1: Welcome to Hell vs Threne

Anonymous — Wed, 16 Nov 2016 08:27:06 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 11/16/2016 13:27

Gowi wrote:

Venom has all of that Discharge and Motorhead influence in spades with gritty production and a hopelessness that is really hard to beat.

More likely Discharge has the Venom influence? Anyway i find strange the use of the word "hopelessness" since i find Venom's music just funny and kinda carefree in a way.

However, while i admire Venom for their influence and historical value, i'm not too much into them. But WTH is my favourite work and i like it. As i said it's not much my thing, but it's just entertaining and funny, and pretty consistent too.

As for Threne, which was totally unknown to me, i like the style (like the double bass, like the vocals and all), and there were a few excellent moments (more in the second half), but overall a bit too much static, and i think it lasts too long for what it has to say. Also it didnt leave that much of a depressive feeling on me, which was its primary purpose i suppose.

So i prefer WTH, but only slightly. Would've been different if it was Black Metal or At War.

Re: Best Metal Album, Round 1: Welcome to Hell vs Threne

Anonymous — Wed, 16 Nov 2016 05:13:07 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 11/16/2016 10:13

haven't heard that Sui Caedere album but it'd better be pretty good because Venom are

Re: Best Metal Album, Round 1: Welcome to Hell vs Threne

badseed — Wed, 16 Nov 2016 03:36:50 GMT

Author: badseed

Posted: 11/16/2016 08:36

This one's actually close for me. Having heard Venom before I went in thinking the other album had a shot to win if it was as great as an album that's in this tournament should be. So I listened to Threne first and really, really enjoyed it. Then I listened to Welcome to Hell and it was, while not technically as great, was more fun than I ever remember it being. I guess due to the fact that my inner horror buff is still in full gear I'm going for the darker, grittier, more Satanic album. But this was definitely the toughest decision I've made out of the three matches I've done so far.

Re: Best Metal Album, Round 1: Welcome to Hell vs Threne

Anonymous — Sun, 13 Nov 2016 19:15:07 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 11/14/2016 00:15

I nominated Threne for this tournament. And this because I think it is a good album of its kind and that it deserves to be discovered and appreciated by those who can. I gave It my vote obviously. Not because I am his nominator, but simply because I like It more than Welcome to Hell (which is not bad, but not really in my taste).

Re: Best Metal Album, Round 1: Welcome to Hell vs Threne

mickilennial — Sun, 13 Nov 2016 18:25:30 GMT

Author: mickilennial

Posted: 11/13/2016 23:25

Venom has all of that Discharge and Motorhead influence in spades with gritty production and a hopelessness that is really hard to beat.

Re: Best Metal Album, Round 1: Welcome to Hell vs Threne

babyBlueSedan — Sun, 13 Nov 2016 18:14:10 GMT

Author: babyBlueSedan

Posted: 11/13/2016 23:14

I've never been a huge fan of early heavy metal like Dio and Judah Priest and the like, so I wasn't expecting to like Venom much. I also first got into black metal through the more "depressive" stuff like Threne, so I thought this would be a clear choice.

However, I was very wrong. Threne didn't do much for me that other similar albums haven't done, and the Venom album kicks all kinds of ass. I love the bad production as it fits perfectly with the lyrical themes. Vote to Venom.

Re: Best Metal Album, Round 1: Welcome to Hell vs Threne

Graeme2 — Sun, 13 Nov 2016 15:24:10 GMT

Author: Graeme2

Posted: 11/13/2016 20:24

Voted for threne. Though that wasn't that fantastic. Venom are legendary and one of the most influential metal bands ever. But they couldn't play ha. They are from just over the river from me. Influential or not, I didn't enjoy it that much, was ok.

Best Metal Album, Round 1: Welcome to Hell vs Threne

babyBlueSedan — Sun, 13 Nov 2016 10:26:08 GMT

Author: babyBlueSedan

Posted: 11/13/2016 15:26

Round 1 Matchup:

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Welcome To Hell by Venom

(nominated by NoisyBeast)

vs.

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Thrène by Sui Caedere

(nominated by Exist-en-ciel)