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Re: New to jazz

RoundTheBend — Sun, 30 Apr 2017 17:02:58 GMT

Author: RoundTheBend

Posted: 04/30/2017 21:02

Puncture Repair wrote:

deasla wrote:

I really really liked charles mingus "blues & roots" and "the black saint and the sinner lady".
I don't know there's something devilish about the songs on these albums that I never felt in any other musical style.

Does anyone know what I'm talking about ? this rythm and feelling.

If there's others artists who emits this kind of vibe (or something different but still sort of "demonic") I'd like to check them out ^^

Also, if you haven't already, Tom Waits is basically the Charles Mingus of Rock, and their records suit a simlar mood.

Yup.

Re: New to jazz

Anonymous — Sun, 30 Apr 2017 07:08:57 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 04/30/2017 11:08

deasla wrote:

Always good to have another Mingus convert 😉

I've been chasing that sound elsewhere myself, and it really is what makes Mingus unique, and so great. Definitely give 'Let My Children Hear Music' a try, a personal favourite of mine - also Mingus, and has some similarly wild moments.

Sun Ra is the closest thing after that in my own collection, 'Jazz In Silhouette' for something a bit more traditional, and 'Lanquidity' for something a bit more screechy and cosmic (a bit closer to Mingus).

Also, if you haven't already, Tom Waits is basically the Charles Mingus of Rock, and their records suit a simlar mood.

Re: New to jazz

deasla — Sun, 30 Apr 2017 04:37:37 GMT

Author: deasla

Posted: 04/30/2017 08:37

Hi !

Thanks for all the suggestions.

I listened to some of them.

I really really liked charles mingus "blues & roots" and "the black saint and the sinner lady".
I don't know there's something devilish about the songs on these albums that I never felt in any other musical style.

Does anyone know what I'm talking about ? this rythm and feelling.

If there's others artists who emits this kind of vibe (or something different but still sort of "demonic") I'd like to check them out ^^

Re: New to jazz

Tap — Sat, 15 Apr 2017 04:57:03 GMT

Author: Tap

Posted: 04/15/2017 08:57

Fischman wrote:

I think that's partly dependent on which side of the pond you're on. Thank God for Europe, doing far more to keep jazz alive and thriving, than my fellow Americans.

josh abrams tho
https://eremiterecords.bandcamp.com/album/magnetoception

Re: New to jazz

RoundTheBend — Sat, 15 Apr 2017 01:21:38 GMT

Author: RoundTheBend

Posted: 04/15/2017 05:21

What I learned while discovering Jazz is that there are A LOT of sub-genres. I learned I'm not crazy about free jazz or avant-garde jazz, so if all I did was discover that and not know it... well then I'd never really discover I liked Jazz.

Probably easier to find the artist you like and then look up which genre, but eh, here's what wikipedia lists:

Avant-garde jazz
bebop
big band
chamber jazz
cool jazz
ECM jazz
free jazz
gypsy jazz
hard bop
Latin jazz
mainstream jazz
modal jazz
M-Base
neo-bop
post-bop
progressive
jazz soul
jazz swing
Third Stream
traditional jazz

Take a look at these genre's and perhaps there's an artist in it that you know you actually kind of have a inkling towards liking. Then like Lastings suggested, listen to it and get familiar with it until it's the back of your hand. Of course don't do this with a record you don't like - something you already almost immediately like.

Here are the jazz records I like and I you'll notice they aren't the traditional suggested ones because of that discovery of different types of Jazz (mostly). Listen to the first track or so of each of these albums and see if they settle better with you - if none of them do, perhaps keep digging - find that one jazz album that gets you into it. Idk - that's kind of what I do. Find that one song/one album/one artist and really fall in love with it and it likely will be a gateway.

But also what's said before is true - maybe you just don't like jazz and that's ok too.

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The Wildest! by Louis Prima

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The Essence Of Billie Holiday by Billie Holiday
^^^this one has recordings on it from earlier times and that's why I really dig this comp

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Lady Sings The Blues by Billie Holiday

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At Newport by Ray Charles

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The New Sound by Les Paul

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Saxophone Colossus by Sonny Rollins

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Soulville by Ben Webster

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The Famous 1938 Carnegie Hall Jazz Concert by Benny Goodman

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Glenn Miller by Glenn Miller

Mingus Ah Um by Charles Mingus

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Time Out by The Dave Brubeck Quartet

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Clifford Brown and Max Roach by Clifford Brown & Max Roach

Re: New to jazz

Lastings — Thu, 13 Apr 2017 11:09:22 GMT

Author: Lastings

Posted: 04/13/2017 15:09

I think I'm a lot like you. I like Jazz, but it really has to be in the right setting. The lack of melody really gets lost on me.

That much said, Charlie Parker is pretty great. Maybe as a classical fan, the Album Charlie Parker with Strings might be more accessible to you.

Kind of Blue by Miles Davis is a very accessible album. And, there is pretty good reason it's also often touted as the best Jazz album ever.

I have found that with Jazz, you're better off focusing on one artist at a time and growing accustomed to their style. Listen to full albums -- multiple albums, even. If you try to listen to a bunch of different songs by a bunch of different artists, the contrasting styles can be a bit jarring.

Maybe as a suggestion listen to Bird with strings. Then follow that with Bird & Miles, which will transition you to Miles Davis. Then listen to Kind of Blue. then sketches of Spain.

Jazz is a pretty big and widely varied genre, and this roadmap doesn't give you the most broad view of everything their is to hear... but, I think it's a good place to start and build off of.

Re: New to jazz

Fischman — Thu, 13 Apr 2017 10:11:33 GMT

Author: Fischman

Posted: 04/13/2017 14:11

Norman Bates wrote:

Quite the contrary. Contemporary jazz is trendy as hell, much more than, say, 10 or 20 years ago. Do you remember 80s jazz?

I think that's partly dependent on which side of the pond you're on. Thank God for Europe, doing far more to keep jazz alive and thriving, than my fellow Americans.

Re: New to jazz

Norman Bates — Thu, 13 Apr 2017 07:23:38 GMT

Author: Norman Bates

Posted: 04/13/2017 11:23

sampha wrote:

Am new too... this days few people are still in jazz. Trap sadly has taken over

Quite the contrary. Contemporary jazz is trendy as hell, much more than, say, 10 or 20 years ago. Do you remember 80s jazz?

Re: New to jazz

sampha — Thu, 13 Apr 2017 06:10:27 GMT

Author: sampha

Posted: 04/13/2017 10:10

Am new too... this days few people are still in jazz. Trap sadly has taken over

Re: New to jazz

Norman Bates — Tue, 11 Apr 2017 12:16:47 GMT

Author: Norman Bates

Posted: 04/11/2017 16:16

deasla wrote:

Hi,

Like the title say I'm quite new to jazz music.
I listened to a lot of classical music before that (mostly old symphony with an orchestra) and also a lot of prog rock (pink floyd,camel, yes...) I also listened to post rock (explosion in the sky).
I like all those long song which seems to tell a story.

I tried to listen to a lot of jazz recommendation made to beginner but it's not always my cup of tea ( I listened to at least a hundred songs).
But I don't want to give up yet. I really liked the alternate version of Blue train, Caravan from buddy rich and Early summer from ryu fukui.

I'm sure there's a lot of song like that out there and I'm missing out but I always stumble upon songs I just find "ok".

When I listen to music I'm a child I need a really beautiful melody (think mozart, tchaikovsky) then that you tell me a story (with lots of variation if possible).

If you want to get acquainted with jazz and are coming from a classical background, may I suggest

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The Black Saint And The Sinner Lady by Charles Mingus

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Piano Solo by Thelonious Monk

and any good compy by

Duke Ellington

Also:

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The Köln Concert by Keith Jarrett

Re: New to jazz

Fischman — Tue, 11 Apr 2017 10:40:46 GMT

Author: Fischman

Posted: 04/11/2017 14:40

Interesting intro; I too was a big fan of classical and a longtime connoisseur or progressive rock before I came to jazz and I really took to it. At that point, I just kinda' assumed those things all went together.

If you're familiar with, and enjoy, classical, you know it comes in many forms (symphonic, choral, chamber, etc) and from many eras (baroque, classical, romantic, etc). So it is with jazz. Jazz is a hugely varied genre and even huge fans of one type of jazz may not like another.

If you're still looking for jazz you may love, rather than all of us taking a shot in the dark, it may be helpful if you share just what jazz you have listened to that didin't excite you. Was it Dixieland, Bebop, Hard Bop, Post Bop, Avant Garde, Free Jazz, Cool Jazz, West Coast Jazz, Smooth Jazz ....

If you need beautiful melody then it's true, a lot of jazz won't be for you. Hard Bop as well as a lot of post bop and pretty much avant garde/free jazz will not reach you. Puncture Repair's recommendation for Dave Brubeck is probably as good as any, specifically his most famous album, Time Out. Horace Silver brings out some wonderful melody in "Song For My Father." And, of course, for "real jazz" that is melodic, many say you can't beat Miles Davis' "Kind of Blue,"

You may also wish to try some jazz that isn't "real jazz" as a potential entry point. George Benson's "Breezin" is often decried by purists as the beginning of "smooth jazz" and therefore not "real jazz," but it is jazz and it full of pleasant melodies. Some "soul jazz" has captivating melodies as well. I highly recommend Donald Byrd's "Blackbyrd" or The Crusaders' "Free as the Wind."

Have fun exploring and don't worry if something doesn't grab you. As I said, this is a huge and highly varied genre. Maybe you'll find something to latch on to, maybe not, but the journey may be fun even if you don't really reach your intended destination. Let us know if you stumble upon anything you dig.

Re: New to jazz

Hayden — Tue, 11 Apr 2017 10:40:39 GMT

Author: Hayden

Posted: 04/11/2017 14:40

Jazz. by Hayden

Just listen to the first ones you haven't listened to 😁

Re: New to jazz

Graeme2 — Tue, 11 Apr 2017 08:56:59 GMT

Author: Graeme2

Posted: 04/11/2017 12:56

An opportunity to plug this then:

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Recorded Live At The Monterey Jazz Festival by John Handy

Re: New to jazz

pa — Tue, 11 Apr 2017 08:38:26 GMT

Author: pa

Posted: 04/11/2017 12:38

what about:

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Éthiopiques 4: Ethio Jazz & Musique Instrumentale 1969-1974 by Mulatu Astatke

that's one of my favorite

Re: New to jazz

deasla — Tue, 11 Apr 2017 06:47:30 GMT

Author: deasla

Posted: 04/11/2017 10:47

I listened to them in a few week. A lot of them weren't very long.

Jazz songs are for me like paintings in a museum.
I find a lot them just ok but then something really impress me and I stare at it for an hour.
There were a couple of other songs that impressed me but I don't remember their name.

I just wanted a couple of all your favorite one ^^.

Re: New to jazz

Anonymous — Tue, 11 Apr 2017 06:08:21 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 04/11/2017 10:08

At least a hundred songs of jazz, especially when jazz songs are often pretty long, is far from being 'new to jazz' surely? That's going to be about 20 albums worth of content.

I'm guessing jazz just isn't for you, which is cool. If you're looking for something with strict melody, and something that tells a story, then you're going to struggle to find that in jazz.

Try Dave Brubeck, try Chet Baker. Also look into 'Third Stream' where jazz musicians started to compose pieces like a classical musician would. Even Mingus's Black Saint and the Sinner Lady is fairly orchestrated for a jazz album, maybe try that for something more unanimously acclaimed. Also, if you liked Ryu Fukui then might as well give his album Scenery a full spin.

New to jazz

deasla — Tue, 11 Apr 2017 02:50:07 GMT

Author: deasla

Posted: 04/11/2017 06:50

Hi,

Like the title say I'm quite new to jazz music.
I listened to a lot of classical music before that (mostly old symphony with an orchestra) and also a lot of prog rock (pink floyd,camel, yes...) I also listened to post rock (explosion in the sky).
I like all those long song which seems to tell a story.

I tried to listen to a lot of jazz recommendation made to beginner but it's not always my cup of tea ( I listened to at least a hundred songs).
But I don't want to give up yet. I really liked the alternate version of Blue train, Caravan from buddy rich and Early summer from ryu fukui.

I'm sure there's a lot of song like that out there and I'm missing out but I always stumble upon songs I just find "ok".

When I listen to music I'm a child I need a really beautiful melody (think mozart, tchaikovsky) then that you tell me a story (with lots of variation if possible).