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Re: What top BEA picks do u just not like but everyone else does

saltysurprise — Fri, 21 Jul 2017 09:56:31 GMT

Author: saltysurprise

Posted: 07/21/2017 13:56

Never understood the hype around Bob Dylan, The Doors, Joy Division, and especially My Bloody Valentine to name a few.

Re: What top BEA picks do u just not like but everyone else does

cobbo95 — Wed, 19 Jul 2017 19:36:19 GMT

Author: cobbo95

Posted: 07/19/2017 23:36

I've never quite been all that enamoured with 'The Cure' - to me they're just a boring version of The Smiths, devoid of Morrissey's witty lyrics. I by no means hate them but really don't like them as much as I should for someone who favours jangly guitars.

Arcade Fire - Normal indie rock shadowed by a slightly pretentious front-man and some folk leanings. Ok, but far too overrated in music circles.

Neil Young - I do quite like 'After the Gold Rush' and 'Harvest', to an extent, but I don't know if a lot of his albums are of high enough quality to justify his position in the top 20 artists on this site. Lot of dud albums really and nowhere near as good as Dylan.

None of these 3 artists are pet hates of mine but as artists that are well revered, I don't think they're to be included.

Dark Side of the Moon

buzzdainer — Wed, 19 Jul 2017 18:26:44 GMT

Author: buzzdainer

Posted: 07/19/2017 22:26

I've got to go with Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon. Objectively, it's a great and influential album. Subjectively, I've heard it enough for one lifetime and wouldn't feel much sense of loss if I never heard it again. You can blame WBLM, Maine's Rock and Roll Blimp, for most of that.

Re: What top BEA picks do u just not like but everyone else does

Luigii — Wed, 19 Jul 2017 16:49:28 GMT

Author: Luigii

Posted: 07/19/2017 20:49

I would be curious of an all pop list where all the songs are good. If I was making that list, I would add both Older and Patience from George Michael on that list since in my opinion they were incredible records.

Re: What top BEA picks do u just not like but everyone else does

Daydreamer — Wed, 19 Jul 2017 14:53:35 GMT

Author: Daydreamer

Posted: 07/19/2017 18:53

Tilly wrote:

A thread showcasing pop albums where every song is killer would be awesome. Or I'd love to see a chart of the best purely pop albums of all time.

I'm all in for that one

Re: What top BEA picks do u just not like but everyone else does

Repo — Wed, 19 Jul 2017 14:51:13 GMT

Author: Repo

Posted: 07/19/2017 18:51

Hayden wrote:

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I've also heard the same argument applied to some modern paintings. Oh, my kid could do that. Or I could paint that. lol. It's the ideas. And the ideas are genius.

And I'm going to turn this right back at you by saying A Love Supreme isn't just a album any jazz musician could whip up by 'unreleashing notes' :lol:

Yeah. my little comment had nothing at all with A Love Supreme. My comment is along the lines of "Pop is awesome too" rather than "jazz is lame or easy". I love Jazz & I could never figure out how to play the clarinet. lol.

I know u don't feel that way about pop at all Hayden. I think I was just appreciating Yann's comment & your comment happened to already b there.

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Re: What top BEA picks do u just not like but everyone else does

AAL2014 — Wed, 19 Jul 2017 12:12:09 GMT

Author: AAL2014

Posted: 07/19/2017 16:12

Hayden wrote:

I don't have a single thing against pop, I like pop, so I just want to get that straight.

One of the oddest things about your argument is that you're treating A Love Supreme as a run of the mill jazz album, which, like, it isn't. A Love Supreme definitely isn't a mere short burst of 'unleashed notes', they have a purpose. There's a certain manner in which they're preformed of course, but there's substance beneath it all. Emotions, purpose, passion.

If McCartney did a jazz record, it'd probably be something along the lines of Grant Green... maybe. Unless he went in a Chet Baker route or something. It'd probably be decent of course, but I don't think it'd have the mastery of Coltrane. If Coltrane made a pop album, it'd still probably be jazz. I'm having a hard time imagining that.

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I agree. if it's so easy to write a pop melody, then why are so few people able to write great ones?

Pop melodies are a dime a dozen... like, you just whip one up on a piano. Good harmonies and sharp lyrics in pop are what makes music in the genre stick out. Writing a great pop melody is far from writing a great pop song.

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I've also heard the same argument applied to some modern paintings. Oh, my kid could do that. Or I could paint that. lol. It's the ideas. And the ideas are genius.

And I'm going to turn this right back at you by saying A Love Supreme isn't just a album any jazz musician could whip up by 'unreleashing notes' :lol:

Agreed 100%. A Love Supreme is far from a run of the mill jazz album. Purpose with every passing note from every instrument on that record.

And yes Pop melodies are a dime a dozen. They are supposed to be there. It's the quality of said melody that makes it a great, catchy hook or just a song with 6 writers and 7 producers (whoops, slight blanket statement, crucify me). Either way, there are formulas within every style and genre of music. That doesn't mean every musician is going to write and produce great music by following said formulas. Some may get lucky and have a summer hit or two. However, it's the ones who bend the rules and push those boundaries and show their souls in their music like Coltrane did with A Love Supreme (and other albums of course) that matter. Coltrane wasn't a pop artist, and McCartney isn't a jazz artist and the world is better because of it. They each helped redefine the rules of their respective genres.

Re: What top BEA picks do u just not like but everyone else does

Hayden — Wed, 19 Jul 2017 11:54:05 GMT

Author: Hayden

Posted: 07/19/2017 15:54

I don't have a single thing against pop, I like pop, so I just want to get that straight.

One of the oddest things about your argument is that you're treating A Love Supreme as a run of the mill jazz album, which, like, it isn't. A Love Supreme definitely isn't a mere short burst of 'unleashed notes', they have a purpose. There's a certain manner in which they're preformed of course, but there's substance beneath it all. Emotions, purpose, passion.

If McCartney did a jazz record, it'd probably be something along the lines of Grant Green... maybe. Unless he went in a Chet Baker route or something. It'd probably be decent of course, but I don't think it'd have the mastery of Coltrane. If Coltrane made a pop album, it'd still probably be jazz. I'm having a hard time imagining that.

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I agree. if it's so easy to write a pop melody, then why are so few people able to write great ones?

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I've also heard the same argument applied to some modern paintings. Oh, my kid could do that. Or I could paint that. lol. It's the ideas. And the ideas are genius.

And I'm going to turn this right back at you by saying A Love Supreme isn't just a album any jazz musician could whip up by 'unreleashing notes' 🤣

Re: What top BEA picks do u just not like but everyone else does

Repo — Wed, 19 Jul 2017 09:58:52 GMT

Author: Repo

Posted: 07/19/2017 13:58

Yann wrote:

Hayden wrote:

Hard to compare, but I'm going to say not in the slightest mate. A song like Let It Be is (for the lack of a better term) rather mathematic. It's a formula that anyone reduplicate. Once you get past the writing process, it's really not all too difficult. It doesn't take much skill, just some lucky ideas. There's an art to pop writing of course, but the process is completely different than jazz (almost opposites). Anybody could play Let It Be, but it'd take an insane person to work on a cover of A Love Supreme. Some of the chord progressions on that album are as tricky as it gets. Pop songs, when stripped to bare minimum, are actually rather boring. At the end of the day, if I had to say which is harder to make, I'd go with A Love Supreme without question.

"Lucky ideas", yes, and that's what we call inspiration. Not given to everyone. Inspiration is complex and I think it requires a lot of selection, decision-making ahead (and even during) the magic. Whereas in instrumental jazz, I have the impression that it's about unleashing a flow of notes (within, or creating, this particular style, art-form that is jazz). So yes, you end up with great complexity and that's why you say it's difficult to cover. You also say it's more difficult to make but I disagree here: as I said in a previous post, I'm almost convinced that an (intrumental) jazz record by Mc Cartney would be better than a (vocal, because it's a usual attribute of a pop record) pop record by Coltrane.
To me a great pop melody is a difficult selection of notes and chords that are simply so good to hear. There is extasy in it ! Unless you listen to it too much in a too short period of time, a great pop song is never boring.

lol. so true. I've also heard the same argument applied to some modern paintings. Oh, my kid could do that. Or I could paint that. lol. It's the ideas. And the ideas are genius. That why it's so freaking hard to find an entire album of pop that's amazing whereas with rock there are just so many solid albums from front to back. It exemplifies that pop is actually harder to pull off.

A thread showcasing pop albums where every song is killer would be awesome. Or I'd love to see a chart of the best purely pop albums of all time.

Re: What top BEA picks do u just not like but everyone else does

Luigii — Wed, 19 Jul 2017 08:58:34 GMT

Author: Luigii

Posted: 07/19/2017 12:58

You got that right Yann.

Re: What top BEA picks do u just not like but everyone else does

bobbyb5 — Wed, 19 Jul 2017 07:59:20 GMT

Author: bobbyb5

Posted: 07/19/2017 11:59

Yann wrote:

Hayden wrote:

"Lucky ideas", yes, and that's what we call inspiration. Not given to everyone. Inspiration is complex and I think it requires a lot of selection, decision-making ahead (and even during) the magic. Whereas in instrumental jazz, I have the impression that it's about unleashing a flow of notes (within, or creating, this particular style, art-form that is jazz). So yes, you end up with great complexity and that's why you say it's difficult to cover. You also say it's more difficult to make but I disagree here: as I said i a previous post, I'm almost convinced that an (intrumental) jazz record by Mc Cartney would be better than a (vocal, because it's a usual attribute of a pop record) pop record by Coltrane.
To me a great pop melody is a difficult selection of notes and chords that are simply so good to hear. There is extasy in it ! Unless you listen to it too much in a too short period of time, a great pop song is never boring.

I agree. if it's so easy to write a pop melody, then why are so few people able to write great ones? yes, anybody could write a crappy one. all you have to do is look at today's popular and rock music to see that. But if inspiration is just another word for talent then it takes inspiration. Not necessarily genius, but talent. Everyone cant do it.

Re: What top BEA picks do u just not like but everyone else does

Anonymous — Wed, 19 Jul 2017 06:12:45 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 07/19/2017 10:12

Hayden wrote:

Re: What top BEA picks do u just not like but everyone else does

Anonymous — Wed, 19 Jul 2017 02:20:55 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 07/19/2017 06:20

Luigii wrote:

Honestly, metal is one of those genres you either enjoy or don't. Realistically want to get on metal music to feel empowered and able to accomplish anything I want. Though I do want to give Metallica a chance. Similar to Iron Maiden.

And: to actually accomplish anything you want (including the arts), this invariable (austere but in fact joyful) prescription : precise goal, hard work, intermediary steps, perseverance... 😉

Re: What top BEA picks do u just not like but everyone else does

AfterHours — Tue, 18 Jul 2017 18:43:39 GMT

Author: AfterHours

Posted: 07/18/2017 22:43

Yann wrote:

Thanks AfterHours ! I'll try 2 or 3 of these recordings this summer

Right on, enjoy 😄

Probably the easiest to acclimate yourself to would be Koln Concert - Keith Jarrett, Valentyne Suite - Colosseum & Inner Mounting Flame - Mahavishnu Orchestra ... and if you decide to go with some more, you might add: Miles Davis' Kind of Blue, In a Silent Way & Bitches Brew

Re: What top BEA picks do u just not like but everyone else does

Luigii — Tue, 18 Jul 2017 17:32:15 GMT

Author: Luigii

Posted: 07/18/2017 21:32

Honestly, metal is one of those genres you either enjoy or don't. Realistically want to get on metal music to feel empowered and able to accomplish anything I want. Though I do want to give Metallica a chance. Similar to Iron Maiden.

Re: What top BEA picks do u just not like but everyone else does

authorunknown — Tue, 18 Jul 2017 17:22:39 GMT

Author: authorunknown

Posted: 07/18/2017 21:22

Metallica,

I just don't get the hype. It's probably because several of my friends that is NOT interested in music, they just love they just love Metallica. That scares me a little 😁

Re: What top BEA picks do u just not like but everyone else does

Anonymous — Tue, 18 Jul 2017 06:20:47 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 07/18/2017 10:20

AfterHours wrote:

I would try the following (among many other possibilities): The Koln Concert - Keith Jarrett; The Survivor's Suite - Keith Jarrett; Kind of Blue - Miles Davis; Bitches Brew - Miles Davis; In a Silent Way - Miles Davis; Valentyne Suite - Colosseum; Third - Soft Machine; Inner Mounting Flame - Mahavishnu Orchestra; Black Saint and the Sinner Lady - Charles Mingus; Les Stances a Sophie - Art Ensemble of Chicago; Lady of the Mirrors - Anthony Davis; Disappeared - Spring Heel Jack; Live - Spring Heel Jack; 6 - Supersilent; As Wichita Falls, So Falls Wichita - Pat Metheny & Lyle Mays (1981); Psalm - Paul Motian (1982)

Thanks AfterHours ! I'll try 2 or 3 of these recordings this summer

Re: What top BEA picks do u just not like but everyone else does

AfterHours — Tue, 18 Jul 2017 01:49:16 GMT

Author: AfterHours

Posted: 07/18/2017 05:49

Yann wrote:

AfterHours wrote:

Yann wrote:

Let me ask the question differently: imagine the following : back in the sixities, a producer ask Paul Mc Cartney to do an instumental jazz album (with the least possible pop elements in it: he has to play the game) and he ask John Coltrane to do a pop album (with the least possible jazz elements in it: he has to play the game too). Imagine they both accept the challenge: which one of the two resulting album you think would be the best ?
To me it's Macca's, because I really think it's more difficult to achieve a good pop album than a good instumental jazz album. The subtilities one can see in A Love Supreme are too hazardous for me. I find Pet Sounds much more spiritual than A Love Supreme (or Laughing Stock by Talk Talk if you want something more experimental). "Too many notes !" like the king says to Mozart in the Amadeus movie 😄 (although Mozart had many "focused" melodies in his work)

I noticed that there aren't any Jazz albums on your top 100 chart, unless there was one somewhere that I missed while speedily scrolling through. So, do you even listen to Jazz? Have you invested enough time in it to have assimilated many of its works, its masterpieces?

There is one 😐 Ella & Louis. Love it. I like the singing of Chet Baker as well. Billy Holliday. The piano of Errol Garner is fantastic. The Getz/Gilberto albums. That's about it, I think. Any advise on some, I don't know, minimalist jazz, or mix of progressive rock and jazz, is welcome ! PS : and I do enjoy any live jazz (on real, not on record)

Re: What top BEA picks do u just not like but everyone else does

Anonymous — Mon, 17 Jul 2017 14:33:45 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 07/17/2017 18:33

AfterHours wrote:

Yann wrote:

Re: What top BEA picks do u just not like but everyone else does

AfterHours — Mon, 17 Jul 2017 14:07:45 GMT

Author: AfterHours

Posted: 07/17/2017 18:07

Yann wrote: