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Re: Sign a petition to get Radiohead and The Beatles to collab.

AfterHours — Mon, 3 Jul 2017 17:08:38 GMT

Author: AfterHours

Posted: 07/03/2017 21:08

Liedzeit wrote:

And who are the prominent composers? I just read somewhere that 20% of all classical performances in the world present the works of only three composers (guess!). The next 30% are shared by 20 composers. And only about 200 composers get at least one performance a year. In other words while literally everything produced by Mozart is considered a masterpiece 99% of everything done by his contemporaries is ignored.
I guess what I want to say is, you can not compare classical music with pop music. There are of course die hard fans who honestly believe that the latest McCartney record (or Bowie, or Dylan) is great. But I find it is a good thing that most of us consider their stuff as at best unnecessary.

Re: prominent composers? ... It seems like you're making the mistake of only considering who's the "most famous". While with Classical this would not be unreliable particularly, there are also significant composers who aren't so famous or widely recorded. Though all of the following are gaining more and more acclaim (and recordings) in recent decade(s), the likes of Schnittke, Gerhard, Carter, Neilsen, Hovanhess, Lutoslawski, Tippett, Gorecki, Penderecki, Ligeti, even Schoenberg, Stockhausen, Messaien and Bernstein (as a composer) probably fits into this less recorded (but significant) group (with several more, just a sample) ... Both significant and widely recorded, there's the likes of Beethoven, Bach, Mozart, Brahms, Schubert, Shostakovich, Mahler, Wagner, Tchaikovsky, Haydn, Dvorak, Bruckner, Vivaldi, Stravinsky -- etc.

Re: comparing Classical and popular music ... I agree only in the sense that Classical's purpose and ideals are generally much more ambitious and the music much more emotionally/conceptually significant than pop music. This can make a qualitative comparison glaring in that it sheds light on how poor most popular music is relative to the great music works of history (recent or 200+ years ago). But they are both music, based on the same fundamentals, and can be compared.

Re: Sign a petition to get Radiohead and The Beatles to collab.

bobbyb5 — Mon, 3 Jul 2017 04:05:37 GMT

Author: bobbyb5

Posted: 07/03/2017 08:05

Liedzeit wrote:

Almost everybody is over-rated by their fans. And every type of music is over rated by its fans. And every type of music is under rated by its non-fans. For example, to me, jazz seems terribly over rated. Therefore, you'll never hear me say which artists and music are "great", and which arent. The artists that most people declare great are usually the ones who make a big show of being "passionate", "honest", "authentic", "sincere" and other nonsense. These are the people who get most of the attention and praise.These so-called "Great" artists are the ones who turn me off the most. I wont name names. But a glance at the Top 100 will give u some hints who I mean. In other words, i think people are easily fooled into believing someone is "great".

Re: Sign a petition to get Radiohead and The Beatles to collab.

Liedzeit — Mon, 3 Jul 2017 03:41:35 GMT

Author: Liedzeit

Posted: 07/03/2017 07:41

AfterHours wrote:

It is the norm for the great, most promiment composers to produce several great works and multiple masterpieces in a lifetime, and in many cases they continue to improve as they get older.

Re: Sign a petition to get Radiohead and The Beatles to collab.

AfterHours — Sun, 2 Jul 2017 20:52:06 GMT

Author: AfterHours

Posted: 07/03/2017 00:52

bobbyb5 wrote:

Its absolutely the norm in popular music for an artist to NOT
be making noteworthy music a decade after their initial success. I have no idea why, but if u think about it, its astounding how consistent this rule is. Even the greatest acts like the beatles, or whoever else u admire, seem to have a run of about a decade. Even the ex- Beatles didnt make it past the mid 70s, more or less. This is true of almost all the classic rock bands. I have no idea if this is true in other forms of music. Like classical or something. I wonder.

I agree that's the norm. The main reason is probably because most popular music artists are not focused on new or highly creative musical ideas and in advancing/innovating the art form, nor are they usually familiar or trained enough in music history to do so (even if they think they have). Even if they begin their careers in a more inspired and creative fashion, popular music is so driven by marketing and success that this usually doesn't last very long and their personal vision becomes lost.

In Classical music it is the norm to be very educated in the form and to be highly knowledgeable of music history and composition. It is the norm for the great, most promiment composers to produce several great works and multiple masterpieces in a lifetime, and in many cases they continue to improve as they get older. Classical music, more than any other form, applies the fundamentals of emotional/conceptual development and depth in its works, and this in turn is passed onto the next/future composers. In Classical music the focus is strongly on the propagation and advancement on new ideas and in applying these, and so to a much greater extent, a personal vision is welcomed.

Re: Sign a petition to get Radiohead and The Beatles to collab.

bobbyb5 — Sun, 2 Jul 2017 19:39:11 GMT

Author: bobbyb5

Posted: 07/02/2017 23:39

AfterHours wrote:

They're decent/solid but there are thousands of Classical works, Rock & Jazz albums that are better. My comment was part what I really think, but also part an exaggeration to shed a little light on the silliness of such a collaboration yielding extraordinary results so far past their primes -- based on the general lack of particularly impressive work of their last 15 & 45 years. Most especially the McCartney/Ringo side, which has been pretty bland (at least what I've bothered to waste time with!)

Re: Sign a petition to get Radiohead and The Beatles to collab.

AfterHours — Sun, 2 Jul 2017 18:43:50 GMT

Author: AfterHours

Posted: 07/02/2017 22:43

Facetious wrote:

Apart from The King of Limbs, I don't see much of a problem with the last 15 years of Radiohead albums? Obviously they aren't as great as the 1997-2001 albums but they're still good anyway.

Re: Sign a petition to get Radiohead and The Beatles to collab.

RoundTheBend — Sun, 2 Jul 2017 15:57:01 GMT

Author: RoundTheBend

Posted: 07/02/2017 19:57

This was half decent:

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Re: Sign a petition to get Radiohead and The Beatles to collab.

bobbyb5 — Sun, 2 Jul 2017 10:00:06 GMT

Author: bobbyb5

Posted: 07/02/2017 14:00

Liedzeit wrote:

bobbyb5 wrote:

I can't even think of the last good collaboration.

FFS. Franz Ferdinand & Sparks was pretty good. But as to the proposed proposition: I would rather sign a proposition to make Trump president for a lifetime.

LMAO!!

Re: Sign a petition to get Radiohead and The Beatles to collab.

Liedzeit — Sun, 2 Jul 2017 09:38:04 GMT

Author: Liedzeit

Posted: 07/02/2017 13:38

bobbyb5 wrote:

I can't even think of the last good collaboration.

FFS. Franz Ferdinand & Sparks was pretty good. But as to the proposed proposition: I would rather sign a proposition to make Trump president for a lifetime.

Re: Sign a petition to get Radiohead and The Beatles to collab.

HazeyTwilight — Sun, 2 Jul 2017 09:19:58 GMT

Author: HazeyTwilight

Posted: 07/02/2017 13:19

lol some things are left best to the imagination

Re: Sign a petition to get Radiohead and The Beatles to collab.

bobbyb5 — Sun, 2 Jul 2017 08:39:22 GMT

Author: bobbyb5

Posted: 07/02/2017 12:39

Romanelli wrote:

Radiohead has a bass player and a drummer. And McCartney hasn't written anything worth noting since the 80's...before Radiohead was even a band. The two have, really, nothing in common.

Absolute waste of energy and internet space.

EDIT: I just looked. Has 3 signatures. :mrgreen:

Those things never seem to work anyway. I can't even think of the last good collaboration. Besides, the Beatles and Radiohead have two completely different sensibilities.

Re: Sign a petition to get Radiohead and The Beatles to collab.

Romanelli — Sun, 2 Jul 2017 08:28:22 GMT

Author: Romanelli

Posted: 07/02/2017 12:28

Radiohead has a bass player and a drummer. And McCartney hasn't written anything worth noting since the 80's...before Radiohead was even a band. The two have, really, nothing in common.

Absolute waste of energy and internet space.

EDIT: I just looked. Has 3 signatures. 😁

Re: Sign a petition to get Radiohead and The Beatles to collab.

Facetious — Sun, 2 Jul 2017 08:13:49 GMT

Author: Facetious

Posted: 07/02/2017 12:13

AfterHours wrote:

I wonder if this would be even worse than the last 15 years of Radiohead albums and the last 45 years of McCartney/Ringo albums! :lol:

Apart from The King of Limbs, I don't see much of a problem with the last 15 years of Radiohead albums? Obviously they aren't as great as the 1997-2001 albums but they're still good anyway.

Re: Sign a petition to get Radiohead and The Beatles to collab.

bobbyb5 — Sat, 1 Jul 2017 18:07:56 GMT

Author: bobbyb5

Posted: 07/01/2017 22:07

Hopefully, the Beatles wouldn't stoop to that level. That would be like Lawrence Olivier making a movie with Vin Diesel. Or Meryl Streep making a movie with Roseanne Barr. Oh wait.....she did. Forgot about that movie. Never mind.

Re: Sign a petition to get Radiohead and The Beatles to collab.

AfterHours — Sat, 1 Jul 2017 03:34:13 GMT

Author: AfterHours

Posted: 07/01/2017 07:34

I wonder if this would be even worse than the last 15 years of Radiohead albums and the last 45 years of McCartney/Ringo albums! 🤣

Re: Sign a petition to get Radiohead and The Beatles to collab.

SquishypuffDave — Sat, 1 Jul 2017 02:56:24 GMT

Author: SquishypuffDave

Posted: 07/01/2017 06:56

Maybe it says something about me that I initially assumed this was a joke. Supergroups are never as good as their respective parts so I don't think this is how good music happens, but in this case I'd definitely be curious to hear the weird clash between their totally different styles. I can barely imagine where they'd find musical common ground.

Sign a petition to get Radiohead and The Beatles to collab.

xMUSICSNOBx — Fri, 30 Jun 2017 17:26:13 GMT

Author: xMUSICSNOBx

Posted: 06/30/2017 21:26

https://www.change.org/p/paul-mccartney...rters_page

I found this. I think we should make it happen.