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Re: The 150 Greatest Albums Made By Women

AfterHours — Wed, 2 Aug 2017 18:01:48 GMT

Author: AfterHours

Posted: 08/02/2017 22:01

Daydreamer wrote:

The overhyping of Lemonade continues.

Very rapidly becoming one of the most overrated albums of all time.

Re: The 150 Greatest Albums Made By Women

Daydreamer — Wed, 2 Aug 2017 17:59:41 GMT

Author: Daydreamer

Posted: 08/02/2017 21:59

The overhyping of Lemonade continues.

Re: The 150 Greatest Albums Made By Women

AfterHours — Wed, 2 Aug 2017 17:12:23 GMT

Author: AfterHours

Posted: 08/02/2017 21:12

^^^ Another key point to those albums by Germano is that she has been so overwhelmed and burdened by her tragic demise, and her psyche so damaged, that she has retreated to the point that her emotional state is colored by both the helplessness and innocence of childhood, but it is a dark childhood of innocence interrupted, of abuse, of a child alone, burrowed and locked in her room, afraid of the dark, enveloped by shadows and repressed memories, just hoping it will all go away.

Re: The 150 Greatest Albums Made By Women

AfterHours — Wed, 2 Aug 2017 15:00:20 GMT

Author: AfterHours

Posted: 08/02/2017 19:00

rkm wrote:

Afterhours. While there's never going to be a consensus, the beauty of these lists and these threads is discovering new things. I've been meaning to check out Lisa Germano and Jane Siberry for a long time, and now I will.

Lisa Germano's best albums (Geek the Girl, On the Way Down From Moon Palace, Excerpts From A Love Circus) are emotionally devastating peaks of a naive, vulnerable, emotionally confused and distraught female that has been taken advantage of by men and oppressed by society. These works can be uncomfortably honest and harrowing, but the conviction and vivid descent into her psyche are masterpieces of emotional expression and concept.

Jane Siberry's When I Was A Boy and No Borders Here are quite unusual and astonishing -- highly recommended, vastly under-rated.

Re: The 150 Greatest Albums Made By Women

AfterHours — Wed, 2 Aug 2017 14:51:53 GMT

Author: AfterHours

Posted: 08/02/2017 18:51

Komorebi-D wrote:

You're not wrong.

AfterHours wrote:

Tragedy - Julia Holter (2011)
You Are Free - Cat Power (2003)
Apocalypse, girl - Jenny Hval (2015)
The ArchAndroid - Janelle Monae (2010)

I feel real bad for forgetting these names but Julia Holter's Ekstasis & Loud City Song should have really been considered for the original list. Same with anything by Liz Harris or Julianna Barwick.

Would Liege & Lief & Unhalfbricking by the Fairport Convention count as well? Because Sandy Denny's contributions to those albums are massive.

Yes, while I feel Holter's other work isn't on the level from the more structurally experimental, emotionally creative and profound work of Tragedy, it still far outshines 90% of their list and would make it onto mine too if I extended it.

Re: Fairport Convention ... Seems like it should count, if Sonic Youth and Fleetwood Mac do

Re: The 150 Greatest Albums Made By Women

Fischman — Wed, 2 Aug 2017 12:48:17 GMT

Author: Fischman

Posted: 08/02/2017 16:48

Problems with the list:

First and foremost, Canada's greatest female export, Sass Jordan, is not present, although that's to be expected as she never enjoyed the commercial success of the others and remains largely unknown outside her homeland.

Jazz is ignored, so no great musicians like Emily Remler or Mimi Fox.

World music is ignored, so no Loreena McKennitt (incidentally another Canadian).

Dreamboat Annie is on the list but no Little Queen.

Female fronted groups are included, but the entire female fronted metal and symphonic metal genres are ignored, so no Lacuna Coil (Cristina Scabbia), Within Temptation (Sharon Den Adel), or Nightwish (Tarja Turunen).

Where the hell is Karen Carpenter!!!

Any of the above could replace any of the dance/pop that infests so much of the list.

Re: The 150 Greatest Albums Made By Women

Hayden — Wed, 2 Aug 2017 11:57:36 GMT

Author: Hayden

Posted: 08/02/2017 15:57

Possibly the only list I've ever seen where Diamanda Galás, Mercedes Sosa, Reba McEntire, Umm Kulthum, Miranda Lambert and ESG all have albums ranked within 15 points of each other.

The lack of Queen Carly Rae Jepsen on the list redacts any validity the lists has, so none of this matters anyway.

Also, Billie Holiday exists. That cut-off feels like a direct attack on her 🤣

Re: The 150 Greatest Albums Made By Women

Tha1ChiefRocka — Wed, 2 Aug 2017 11:42:56 GMT

Author: Tha1ChiefRocka

Posted: 08/02/2017 15:42

Quote:

My biggest gripe with the list is their decision to start at 1964. Not even to mention other artists left out, they excluded a number of wonderful Ella Fitzgerald albums that way.

No kidding, if this list to create some kind of parity between male and female artists in the history of music they should have had a more comprehensive list. They did get Ella though, but too far up on the list.

Props to having Pauline Oliveros and Miriam Makeba though.

Artists left out because of the time.
BILLIE HOLIDAY
Patsy Cline
Big Mama Thornton
Julie London
Peggy Lee
Andrew Sisters
Sarah Vaughan and Clifford Brown (which is a far superior album to the Sarah Vaughan cut on the list)
Bessie Smith
Ma Rainey
Clara Rockmore

These would have also been interesting reads;
Hildegard de Bingen
Fanny Mendelssohn

Artists left out for Britney Spears and other pop that was not needed;
Tiger Trap
Marlena Shaw
Minnie Riperton
Lizzy Mercier Descloux
Blonde Redhead
Anything by Mary Timony (Wild Flag, Helium, Ex Hex, etc.)
Throwing Muses
Was Aaliyah not on there? If you're going to have a lot of pop have some Aaliyah.
Avengers
Plasmatics
Pylon
Deerhoof
Cranes

...should I just make my own list?

Re: The 150 Greatest Albums Made By Women

Repo — Wed, 2 Aug 2017 09:17:12 GMT

Author: Repo

Posted: 08/02/2017 13:17

Pretty sweet list. Thanks for sharing! 😁

Re: The 150 Greatest Albums Made By Women

babyBlueSedan — Wed, 2 Aug 2017 08:56:20 GMT

Author: babyBlueSedan

Posted: 08/02/2017 12:56

Well they got #1 right, so there's that.

There's a lot here that I haven't heard and that I need to check out.

Re: The 150 Greatest Albums Made By Women

AwaitingAndrew — Wed, 2 Aug 2017 08:46:31 GMT

Author: AwaitingAndrew

Posted: 08/02/2017 12:46

My biggest gripe with the list is their decision to start at 1964. Not even to mention other artists left out, they excluded a number of wonderful Ella Fitzgerald albums that way.

Re: The 150 Greatest Albums Made By Women

rkm — Wed, 2 Aug 2017 08:04:39 GMT

Author: rkm

Posted: 08/02/2017 12:04

Komorebi-D wrote:

You're not wrong.

AfterHours wrote:

Tragedy - Julia Holter (2011)
You Are Free - Cat Power (2003)
Apocalypse, girl - Jenny Hval (2015)
The ArchAndroid - Janelle Monae (2010)

Sandy Denny's album "Sandy" should definitely be there.

Re: The 150 Greatest Albums Made By Women

Komorebi-D — Wed, 2 Aug 2017 07:21:06 GMT

Author: Komorebi-D

Posted: 08/02/2017 11:21

rkm wrote:

I've been meaning to check out Lisa Germano.

I was just like you. Only two weeks ago, in fact. You should listen to 1994's Geek The Girl ASAP, you won't regret it.

Re: The 150 Greatest Albums Made By Women

rkm — Wed, 2 Aug 2017 06:43:59 GMT

Author: rkm

Posted: 08/02/2017 10:43

Afterhours. While there's never going to be a consensus, the beauty of these lists and these threads is discovering new things. I've been meaning to check out Lisa Germano and Jane Siberry for a long time, and now I will.

Re: The 150 Greatest Albums Made By Women

Komorebi-D — Wed, 2 Aug 2017 06:12:17 GMT

Author: Komorebi-D

Posted: 08/02/2017 10:12

Skinny wrote:

The Miseducation is better than all your favourite albums.

You're not wrong.

AfterHours wrote:

Tragedy - Julia Holter (2011)
You Are Free - Cat Power (2003)
Apocalypse, girl - Jenny Hval (2015)
The ArchAndroid - Janelle Monae (2010)

Re: The 150 Greatest Albums Made By Women

glynspsa — Wed, 2 Aug 2017 05:30:04 GMT

Author: glynspsa

Posted: 08/02/2017 09:30

Sorry but Beyonce and DESTINy's CHILD FREAKING SUCK ARSE! I have not looked at the whole list where's Betty Davis should be top 10 over Lemonade and that crap from Missy Elliot.

Re: The 150 Greatest Albums Made By Women

AfterHours — Wed, 2 Aug 2017 05:03:08 GMT

Author: AfterHours

Posted: 08/02/2017 09:03

I will say that it was startling and welcome to see Dolmen Music and Litanies of Satan make the cut.

Top 1/2 (or so) of my top 150 list would go something like...

Greatest Albums Made by Women

Escalator Over The Hill - Carla Bley (1971)
Desertshore - Nico (1970)
Geek the Girl - Lisa Germano (1994)
Dolmen Music - Meredith Monk (1981)
Even the Sounds Shine - Myra Melford (1994)
Diamanda Galas - Diamanda Galas (1984)
Have One On Me - Joanna Newsom (2010)
Daydream Nation - Sonic Youth (1988) [Apparently Sonic Youth counts...]
Art & Aviation - Jane Ira Bloom (1992)
Ptah, the El Daoud - Alice Coltrane (1970)
Fontanelle - Babes In Toyland (1992)
A Genuine Tong Funeral - Carla Bley/Gary Burton (1967)
Liberation Music Orchestra - Charlie Haden (1969) [largely composed by Carla Bley ... would it count?]
Volunteers - Jefferson Airplane (1969) [does this count?]
Ys - Joanna Newsom (2006)
The Litanies of Satan - Diamanda Galas (1982)
Tragedy - Julia Holter (2011)
Bad Moon Rising - Sonic Youth (1985)
Radio Ethiopia - Patti Smith (1976)
Chasing Paint - Jane Ira Bloom (2003)
On the Way Down From Moon Palace - Lisa Germano (1991)
The Timeless Turning - Sky Cries Mary (1994) [does this count?]
Dimension Gate - Aurora (1994) [does this count?]
Another Mind - Hiromi Uehara (2003)
The Marble Index - Nico (1968)
When I Was A Boy - Jane Siberry (1993)
Thirteen Masks - Jarboe (1991)
Novus Magnificat - Constance Demby (1986)
Ceremony - Anna Von Hausswolff (2012)
Miss America - Mary Margaret O'Hara (1988)
Rickie Lee Jones - Rickie Lee Jones (1979)
I Could Live in Hope - Low (1994) [does this count?]
After Bathing at Baxters - Jefferson Airplane (1967) [does this count?]
Post to Wire - Heather Duby (1999)
Spleen & Ideal - Dead Can Dance (1985) [does this count?]
Dummy - Portishead (1994)
Excerpts From A Love Circus - Lisa Germano (1996)
Blue - Joni Mitchell (1971)
Exile In Guyville - Liz Phair (1993)
The Lion and the Cobra - Sinead O'Connor (1987)
Evangelista - Carla Bozulich (2006)
Trust - Low (2002) [does this count?]
You Are Free - Cat Power (2003)
What Would the Community Think? - Cat Power (1996)
Viscera - Jenny Hval (2011)
Watermark - Enya (1988)
No Borders Here - Jane Siberry (1983)
Watersports - Mi Ami (2009)
Apocalypse, girl - Jenny Hval (2015)
Long Division - Low (1995) [does this count?]
Joy Shapes - Charlambides (2004)
The ArchAndroid - Janelle Monae (2010)
The Red Quartets - Jane Ira Bloom (1999)
Surfer Rosa - Pixies (1988) [does this count?]
The Miraculous - Anne Von Hausswolff (2015)
Hejira - Joni Mitchell (1976)
Under The Pink - Tori Amos (1994)
Jessica Bailiff - Jessica Bailiff (2002)
Shoot Out the Lights - Richard & Linda Thompson (1982) [does this count?]
I Want to See the Bright Lights Tonight - Richard & Linda Thompson (1974) [does this count?]
Robin Holcomb - Robin Holcomb (1990)
Gallowsbird's Bark - Fiery Furnaces (2003) [does this count?]
Harmonious Creature - Sarah Manning (2014)
The Magic Place - Julianna Barwick (2011)
Marry Me - St Vincent (2007)
Low Kick & Hard Bop - Solex (2001)
The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill - Lauryn Hill (1998)
Little Earthquakes - Tori Amos (1991)
Doolittle - Pixies (1989) [does this count?]
Horses - Patti Smith (1975)
LA - X (1980) [does this count?]
Head Over Heels - Cocteau Twins (1983)
Evanescence - Maria Schneider (1992)
The Return Of Red Emma - Lida Husik (1993)
A Day In The Stark Corner - Lycia (1993)
The Burning Circle And Then Dust - Lycia (1995)

I'm sure I missed some while blitzing through my "Greatest Albums" list and hastily copying them onto here. Also many others fell short of my list (or I just need to revisit them) but would, imo, top most of the albums on the one in the OP above.

Re: The 150 Greatest Albums Made By Women

AfterHours — Wed, 2 Aug 2017 04:25:00 GMT

Author: AfterHours

Posted: 08/02/2017 08:25

rkm wrote:

Not sure if this is on here already, but it's definitely worthy of discussion, and of being added to the database of charts.

http://www.npr.org/2017/07/24/538307314...en-page-15

Yikes.

Not to the idea of making such a list, but to the sight of so many mediocre/bad albums -- as usual, as to be expected ... unfortunately.

(and some way too elevated apparently because the singer tragically died ... sorry to be the one who said it)

Re: The 150 Greatest Albums Made By Women

Skinny — Wed, 2 Aug 2017 04:19:11 GMT

Author: Skinny

Posted: 08/02/2017 08:19

Komorebi-D wrote:

This is something I bring up on here sometimes (I did today, ironically). This list is good and I agree with most placeholders but not with some of their positions.

Amy Winehouse, Spice Girls, Hole, Adele, Dolly Parton & Lauryn Hill (amazing album but more like top 10 material not top 2) are rated too high.

The Breeders, Robyn, Joanna Newsom, Cocteau Twins, Solange, Pauline Oliveros, Sonic Youth (does it actually count?), Fiona Apple, Alice Coltrane, Sleater-Kinney, Portishead, Destiny's Child (yes, I see a pop act as underrated), X-Ray Spex, M.I.A. & Kate Bush are rated too low.

And one final note...

WHY IN HELL DID THEY PUT POST ON HERE AND NOT HOMOEGENIC?

The Miseducation is better than all your favourite albums.

Re: The 150 Greatest Albums Made By Women

Komorebi-D — Wed, 2 Aug 2017 03:46:19 GMT

Author: Komorebi-D

Posted: 08/02/2017 07:46

rkm wrote:

Some artist that should be represented:

St Vincent
Esperanza Spalding

Strange Mercy & Emily's D+Evolution would've been ideal for the list.

rkm wrote:

There are many that I would've chosen a different album for:

Janet Jackson - Rhythmn Nation instead of Control

Agreed. Also, I think for Fiona Apple it should've been The Idler Wheel... instead of Tidal.