Best Ever Albums

Re: More Than 1 Masterpiece

Komorebi-D — Sat, 12 Aug 2017 10:23:35 GMT

Author: Komorebi-D

Posted: 08/12/2017 14:23

ClassicRock1 wrote:

I nominate The Who for Who's Next, Tommy, and Quadrophenia.

I'd second that. Btw has anyone mentioned CAN yet? I forget.

More Than 1 Masterpiece

ClassicRock1 — Fri, 11 Aug 2017 15:08:54 GMT

Author: ClassicRock1

Posted: 08/11/2017 19:08

I nominate The Who for Who's Next, Tommy, and Quadrophenia.

Re: Artists you believe have more than 1 masterpiece

ClassicRock1 — Fri, 11 Aug 2017 15:05:40 GMT

Author: ClassicRock1

Posted: 08/11/2017 19:05

Daydreamer wrote:

What can you say about the utterly brilliant run Pink Floyd had from 1973-1979. Four masterpiece IN A ROW.

At least two masterpieces in Wish You Were Here and Dark Side.

Re: Artists you believe have more than 1 masterpiece

AfterHours — Fri, 11 Aug 2017 05:19:02 GMT

Author: AfterHours

Posted: 08/11/2017 09:19

Facetious wrote:

Every facet may be weaker compared to Trout Mask Replica, but that applies to pretty much every other album ever for you.

Not necessarily. Any of the masterpieces aren't that far behind it. Many of the masterpieces keep up with TMR's consistency and degree of emotional/conceptual expression (or near it) for good portions of their running times -- just not quite as thoroughly and/or to as great an extent. The difference of +/- 0.1 ratings point is very little, almost imperceptible without great familiarity; 0.2 is minimal, more perceptible, but would probably require great familiarity to really notice; +/- 0.3 is marginal, becoming more evident but still not glaring ... To most, the differential probably wouldn't seem significant until +/- 0.5, but I probably wouldn't say "blatant/obvious" until approx +/- 0.8-1.0 -- and even that is providing one is fairly familiar with the works being compared.

Re: Artists you believe have more than 1 masterpiece

Facetious — Fri, 11 Aug 2017 04:55:38 GMT

Author: Facetious

Posted: 08/11/2017 08:55

AfterHours wrote:

Every facet was weaker, mitigated, and this adds up over the course of an album.

Every facet may be weaker compared to Trout Mask Replica, but that applies to pretty much every other album ever for you.

Re: Artists you believe have more than 1 masterpiece

TheHutts — Thu, 10 Aug 2017 21:05:08 GMT

Author: TheHutts

Posted: 08/11/2017 01:05

The only pop/rock acts that I've found two 10/10 masterpieces from so far are:
That Band I'm not allowed to mention - Revolver/Sgt. Peppers
The Rolling Stones - Sticky Fingers/Exile on Main Street
Stevie Wonder - Innervisions/Fullfillingness' First Finale

Re: Artists you believe have more than 1 masterpiece

Anonymous — Wed, 9 Aug 2017 04:40:04 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 08/09/2017 08:40

Liedzeit wrote:

It is not an insult. It is only that either a masterpiece is something subjective, then I can just declare that X by Z is a masterpiece. Or it is something that some community/posterity agrees upon. But then it makes no sense to ask what i believe.

I understand your rethoric, but i cannot see the contradiction with Komorebi-D's initial question. The word believe here being synonymous to "estimate" 🤔

Re: Artists you believe have more than 1 masterpiece

Liedzeit — Wed, 9 Aug 2017 04:16:06 GMT

Author: Liedzeit

Posted: 08/09/2017 08:16

Komorebi-D wrote:

You say that as an insult but I see it as an achievement.

It is not an insult. It is only that either a masterpiece is something subjective. Then I can just declare that X by Z is a masterpiece, or it is something that some community/posterity agrees upon. But then it makes no sense to ask what i believe.

Re: Artists you believe have more than 1 masterpiece

Komorebi-D — Tue, 8 Aug 2017 22:34:22 GMT

Author: Komorebi-D

Posted: 08/09/2017 02:34

Liedzeit wrote:

One of the more ridiculous threads.

You say that as an insult but I see it as an achievement.

Re: Artists you believe have more than 1 masterpiece

AfterHours — Tue, 8 Aug 2017 16:31:28 GMT

Author: AfterHours

Posted: 08/08/2017 20:31

Liedzeit wrote:

One of the more ridiculous threads. Patrik Fitzgerald has never made an album that was not a masterpiece. Kevin Coyne’s first fifteen or so albums were all masterpieces.

Wow, amazing how many artists there are that are on the order of Beethoven 🤔

😁

Re: Artists you believe have more than 1 masterpiece

AfterHours — Tue, 8 Aug 2017 16:18:52 GMT

Author: AfterHours

Posted: 08/08/2017 20:18

Facetious wrote:

AfterHours wrote:

Facetious wrote:

AfterHours wrote:

Captain Beefheart
Trout Mask Replica
Possibly: Safe as Milk???

Actually, Lick My Decals Off Baby.

Upon listening to it each time, I always feel it has that potential. But while no doubt exceptional, each time I end up disagreeing. It's hard to say why, except that its production is a mitigating factor. But I'd have to revisit it to go into further detail. On the surface, it doesn't appear much different than TMR, and it seems like it should at least be half as successful (if not more than that) -- but it's also proof that TMR is a work of incredibly singular genius that can't be matched, even by a set of similar sounding songs, but that it was much more composed and calculated than its music at first suggests.

The production is adequate; besides, the songs matter more, and they are more composed and calculated than even on TMR. Safe as Milk at 8.5 while Lick My Decals Off Baby is at 7 makes absolutely zero sense when your favourite rock album is TMR. Other than that, Shiny Beast, and Doc at the Radar Station (and maybe Ice Cream for Crow) should be 7.3+ at least.

I would like to note that I've listened to TMR hundreds of times and assimilated it much more thoroughly than Lick My Decals Off so far, so it is perfectly plausible that my rating could be upgraded with future revisits. Didn't mean to imply otherwise, if I did.

Re: Artists you believe have more than 1 masterpiece

AfterHours — Tue, 8 Aug 2017 12:50:43 GMT

Author: AfterHours

Posted: 08/08/2017 16:50

Facetious wrote:

AfterHours wrote:

Facetious wrote:

AfterHours wrote:

Captain Beefheart
Trout Mask Replica
Possibly: Safe as Milk???

Actually, Lick My Decals Off Baby.

I'll see if it changes the next time I listen to it, but it made sense to me before. It just wasn't nearly such an emotionally impinging experience as TMR. Every facet was weaker, mitigated, and this adds up over the course of an album. As I've said multiple times though, it is entirely possible there is more to it and I hope that's the case.

Re: Artists you believe have more than 1 masterpiece

Liedzeit — Tue, 8 Aug 2017 12:46:59 GMT

Author: Liedzeit

Posted: 08/08/2017 16:46

One of the more ridiculous threads. Patrik Fitzgerald has never made an album that was not a masterpiece. Kevin Coyne’s first fifteen or so albums were all masterpieces.

Re: Artists you believe have more than 1 masterpiece

Facetious — Tue, 8 Aug 2017 11:44:18 GMT

Author: Facetious

Posted: 08/08/2017 15:44

AfterHours wrote:

Facetious wrote:

AfterHours wrote:

Captain Beefheart
Trout Mask Replica
Possibly: Safe as Milk???

Actually, Lick My Decals Off Baby.

Re: Artists you believe have more than 1 masterpiece

LedZep — Tue, 8 Aug 2017 05:16:13 GMT

Author: LedZep

Posted: 08/08/2017 09:16

Daydreamer wrote:

While Cave is incredibly consistent, I'd only call Skeleton Tree and The Boatman's Call masterpieces. But his consistency is one of the best ever, he has lots of great albums.

Not sure which Cave albums should be considered classics, but what I do know is that he is the guy who has maybe the the most consistent discography ever. Many people prefer The Boatman's Call, Tender Part and Let Love In, while my favourites are The Good Son and Murder Ballads. His 21st century inputs are just as good, only Nocturama has failed to reach the cult status, and it's still a great album which I personally love.

Re: Artists you believe have more than 1 masterpiece

Graeme2 — Tue, 8 Aug 2017 03:43:39 GMT

Author: Graeme2

Posted: 08/08/2017 07:43

TheHutts wrote:

Graeme2 wrote:

I'd throw in

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Music Of My Mind by Stevie Wonder
For as good a 5 album run as anyone ever. Depends what you class a masterpiece though? I'd maybe only say innervisions was.

I'd throw in Stevie Wonder Presents: Syreeta (1974) as well. It's pretty much a Stevie Wonder album - he produced, wrote or co-wrote all the song, and played lots of the instruments.

Hey cheers. Never come across that one, though I know the name from stevies own stuff. Definitely will check that.

Re: Artists you believe have more than 1 masterpiece

AfterHours — Tue, 8 Aug 2017 03:07:38 GMT

Author: AfterHours

Posted: 08/08/2017 07:07

Komorebi-D wrote:

AfterHours wrote:

What are your definitions of masterpiece?

Is your definition of a masterpiece on the order of "one of the most extraordinary, astonishing works of art in the history of music"?

Or is it more in line with "a consistently enjoyable experience that never/rarely flags"?

Maybe not "music history" but in comparison to what was coming out at that specific time, so it stands out.

Thanks, that makes sense. For me, those are usually 7.5/10 or maybe 8/10, but I often call those "masterpieces by any normal measure" (or something similar), so such a criteria is perfectly reasonable too. And a 9/10 (masterpiece) on my scale would be a work that stands out even among and above those, a work that takes its art to such an astounding and extraordinary degree of expression that it has no (or very few) peers at whatever it is doing, whether compared yearly, by decade or all time.

Re: Artists you believe have more than 1 masterpiece

Komorebi-D — Mon, 7 Aug 2017 23:12:42 GMT

Author: Komorebi-D

Posted: 08/08/2017 03:12

AfterHours wrote:

Maybe not "music history" but in comparison to what was coming out at that specific time, so it stands out.

Re: Artists you believe have more than 1 masterpiece

AfterHours — Mon, 7 Aug 2017 19:44:36 GMT

Author: AfterHours

Posted: 08/07/2017 23:44

Apologies if this question comes across wrong but many of the albums I've seen chosen seem to have plenty of equals/superiors in any given year especially from, say, 1967 on up.

What are your definitions of masterpiece?

Is your definition of a masterpiece on the order of "one of the most extraordinary, astonishing works of art in the history of music"?

Or is it more in line with "a consistently enjoyable experience that never/rarely flags"?

(second question is what many of the selections seem to be to me)

(I'm not sure if one is more "objectively" right or wrong than the other, but I'm curious anyway)

Re: Artists you believe have more than 1 masterpiece

AfterHours — Mon, 7 Aug 2017 19:26:46 GMT

Author: AfterHours

Posted: 08/07/2017 23:26

Komorebi-D wrote:

ONE CONDITION: NOTHING BY THE BEATLES

Man, I don't know how I did it... 😉