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Re: Mandela effect in music

Infinity183 — Wed, 15 Nov 2017 02:03:30 GMT

Author: Infinity183

Posted: 11/15/2017 07:03

For a while, I thought the lyrics to Laura Branigan's "Self Control" were more repetitive than they actually were. First off, I firmly believed that during the first verse, "in the day, nothing matters" was rhymed with "it's the nighttime that matters," not "flatters." I also remember the chorus mostly just repeating "you take my self, you take my self, you take my self control," without too much variation, as opposed to sandwiching lines such as "you got me livin' only for the night" (which doesn't rhyme with anything) and "before the morning comes, the story's told" in between.

It was only the past couple of days, when I first heard the Raf version of "Self Control," that I realized the lyrics weren't nearly as repetitious as I recalled them to be. Initially, I thought only the Raf version had the non-repetitive lyrics, with Branigan's supposedly changing the words a bit for a more focused hook. However, I after having played Branigan's recording earlier today, I finally realized she was saying "flatters" all along, and that there was just as much being said in the chorus as in her Italian counterpart's version.

Considering Branigan's "Self Control" is in my top 10 songs for the 1980s decade, I'm surprised it took me all of this to hear the lyrics correctly; usually, when a song has such great production, singing, and melodies, I focus less on the words because of how entranced I am by the music, but "Self Control" is far more intricate in its subject matter than your usual 80s dance-pop hit. I knew all along it was an ominous, scene-building track all along, but my ears still got led astray somehow.

Re: Mandela effect in music

Anonymous — Tue, 14 Nov 2017 07:46:23 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 11/14/2017 12:46

Yeah it is curious and I appreciate interesting threads like this. Not wanting to question your rational capabilities either Yann!!

Also, yes there are surely limits to rationality (good point you made earlier). I'm sure that many of our supposed rational claims of today will be seen as naive in the future. A slavish dependence on rationality can lead to a lack of imagination and curiosity, which is costly!

Re: Mandela effect in music

Anonymous — Tue, 14 Nov 2017 06:31:13 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 11/14/2017 11:31

Here is briefly how i got into mandela effect. About 5 years ago, I was showing to my son a film that I had not watched for a long time: back to the future.
I didn’t know anything about the mandela effect at the time (and it was not so well known anyway). However, during the scene with the terrorists attacking Doc and McFly on the parking, I said to myself : very strange, the Libyan van is no longer the white toyota van but now a pristine blue volkswagen “Kombi” van! Then I thought that they probably re-shoot the scene at the time, and that there was just two versions of the scene, and no longer thought of it.
Then, about a month ago, I learned about the mandela effect, and came across a youtube video on that back to the future van “change”: apparently, it’s always been a VW van, although many people do remember vividly a Toyota… I was (rationnaly) intrigued 😉 

Re: Mandela effect in music

Anonymous — Mon, 13 Nov 2017 17:53:18 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 11/13/2017 22:53

Yeah I find all these examples interesting and well-noted. But I also find the rational explanations for these phenomena pretty satisfactory. Everyone calls Ramones the Ramones. I think it just sounds right because it's a plural proper noun. It's interesting that this mistake collectively happens but probably no paranormal activity involved 😄

Re: Mandela effect in music

craola — Mon, 13 Nov 2017 17:21:44 GMT

Author: craola

Posted: 11/13/2017 22:21

Tap wrote:

this isn't an ism its just so much more likely that people remember things wrong than all this sci fi shit. like with the joe cocker thing, its slowed down so you get the rhyme in there where it wasn't needed before, and then a bunch of ppl hear it on the wonder years when theyre kids and becomes the primary version. also it makes no sense that these changes would be so minor. like lets say the past gets changed and someone gets a dog they didn't have before and so now there's dog poop in a spot where it wasnt before and some guy is on his way to make a baby but he steps in the dog poop and it totally bums him out and the baby never gets made. the different realities shouldn't be this similar.

i think Mandela dying in prison in the 80s is pretty radically different than reality.

i agree that it's mostly biases and misinformation and not some sci-fi schism of realities, but it's still a pretty crazy phenomenon.

Re: Mandela effect in music

bobbyb5 — Mon, 13 Nov 2017 17:18:40 GMT

Author: bobbyb5

Posted: 11/13/2017 22:18

I can think of one example, but I'm sure it's not very widespread. But I've heard it many times in my life.
For some reason many people started to think that the name Tangerine Dream was taken from a line in Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds by the Beatles. And the amazing thing is, when you point out that John Lennon is saying tangerine *trees*, not tangerine *dream*, people insist that he is saying tangerines dream. Even though they once knew that he was indeed saying tree, they've changed their mind. At one time they knew that it was tree, but I think they've heard the story so many times that.
they think it's true

Re: Mandela effect in music

Tap — Mon, 13 Nov 2017 17:07:43 GMT

Author: Tap

Posted: 11/13/2017 22:07

this isn't an ism its just so much more likely that people remember things wrong than all this sci fi shit. like with the joe cocker thing, its slowed down so you get the rhyme in there where it wasn't needed before, and then a bunch of ppl hear it on the wonder years when theyre kids and becomes the primary version. also it makes no sense that these changes would be so minor. like lets say the past gets changed and someone gets a dog they didn't have before and so now there's dog poop in a spot where it wasnt before and some guy is on his way to make a baby but he steps in the dog poop and it totally bums him out and the baby never gets made. the different realities shouldn't be this similar.

Re: Mandela effect in music

Anonymous — Mon, 13 Nov 2017 16:41:42 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 11/13/2017 21:41

Tap wrote:

Quote:

a/ I can confirm that mandela affected people are not all alcoholic.

oh I didn't mean to suggest that, it's just that usually people require an impaired state for this level of hubris.

I'm gonna give you an information that will help you to both relax and open your mind: rationalism is just a belief among other beliefs.

Re: Mandela effect in music

Tap — Mon, 13 Nov 2017 15:49:21 GMT

Author: Tap

Posted: 11/13/2017 20:49

Quote:

a/ I can confirm that mandela affected people are not all alcoholic.

oh I didn't mean to suggest that, it's just that usually people require an impaired state for this level of hubris.

Re: Mandela effect in music

Tha1ChiefRocka — Mon, 13 Nov 2017 09:26:36 GMT

Author: Tha1ChiefRocka

Posted: 11/13/2017 14:26

The most convincing one is the Berenstein Bears. Almost everyone I have talked to; my brother, parents, and friends pretty much all agree it was BerenSTEIN and not BerenSTAIN.

Re: Mandela effect in music

Anonymous — Mon, 13 Nov 2017 08:46:20 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 11/13/2017 13:46

Tap wrote:

hang on a second, so you're saying that the beatles originally sang it the way joe cocker sang it, but then time travel changed the beatles recording, but not the joe cocker version? seems like a bit of a leap. maybe this is a thing because before the internet, ppl would get drunk and argue about these trivial things but would just go on with life without being confronted by facts. and now it's like "wtf I'm sure I was right, time must be broken!"

this is pretty silly

a/ I can confirm that mandela affected people are not all alcoholic.
b/ Generaly false memory is not a precise memory shared by a large group of people, like mandela effect is, hence the creation of the concept.
c/ The aim of this thread was not to find the cause of mandela effect but just give a few musical example and see how BEA members relate to that. Personnaly, and as unsettling it may be for the reasonable person I still think I am, it always was Chris Isaac, and Madonna's birth name was always Louise Ciccone and not Madonna Louise Ciccone, sorry.
d/ As for the late Joe Cocker, whatever you think of this, it would be interesting to check if he remembered having changed the lyrics or not. If yes, this case of Mandela effect would have to be rejected. See, I know my rationality too!

Re: Mandela effect in music

Anonymous — Mon, 13 Nov 2017 04:29:19 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 11/13/2017 09:29

Hate to be the boring rationalist here, but I really don't think this is a time travel or parallel universe type of scenario here More of a collective false memory based on groups of people believing a mistakenly reported account as it appears plausible (maybe even more plausible than what actually happened!) e.g. people remember the inaccurate Joe Cocker version as it makes more sense. I hope I'm wrong and its more of a 12 monkeys type of scenario though!

Re: Mandela effect in music

craola — Mon, 13 Nov 2017 04:21:33 GMT

Author: craola

Posted: 11/13/2017 09:21

Tap wrote:

From what I understand, the Mandela Effect is more of a multiverse phenomena than a time-travel deal. It gets a bit more plausible at least. I don’t subscribe to the theory, but it’s an intriguing topic. What if Mandela really did die in prison in an alternate universe, and a huge swath of people slipped into our universe?

Re: Mandela effect in music

Tap — Mon, 13 Nov 2017 02:34:23 GMT

Author: Tap

Posted: 11/13/2017 07:34

hang on a second, so you're saying that the beatles originally sang it the way joe cocker sang it, but then time travel changed the beatles recording, but not the joe cocker version? seems like a bit of a leap. maybe this is a thing because before the internet, ppl would get drunk and argue about these trivial things but would just go on with life without being confronted by facts. and now it's like "wtf I'm sure I was right, time must be broken!"

this is pretty silly

Re: Mandela effect in music

Anonymous — Mon, 13 Nov 2017 02:04:16 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 11/13/2017 07:04

Michael1981 wrote:

Cocker does sing "do" - I just listened. But he probably did this in the first place due to the Mandela effect!

That's what I think too

Re: Mandela effect in music

Anonymous — Sun, 12 Nov 2017 17:37:56 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 11/12/2017 22:37

Cocker does sing "do" - I just listened. But he probably did this in the first place due to the Mandela effect!

Re: Mandela effect in music

Anonymous — Sun, 12 Nov 2017 17:18:12 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 11/12/2017 22:18

Michael1981 wrote:

Oh interesting. I never heard of this phenomenon before. Is the Beatles one something to do with the Joe Cocker cover version? "Think" in the original but "do" in the cover version (but most people likely presume it is "do" in both)?

In that case, it wouldn't be a mandela effect but a simple confusion between the two versions/lyrics. And it would be documented that Joe Cocker changed the lyrics. But is it ?
In any case, what we can say is that the verb "do" makes much more sense with the next phrase of the lyrics:
"What would you do if I sang out of tune?
Would you stand up and walk out on me?"

Re: Mandela effect in music

Anonymous — Sun, 12 Nov 2017 16:19:17 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 11/12/2017 21:19

Oh interesting. I never heard of this phenomenon before. Is the Beatles one something to do with the Joe Cocker cover version? "Think" in the original but "do" in the cover version (but most people likely presume it is "do" in both)?

Mandela effect in music

Anonymous — Sun, 12 Nov 2017 13:19:36 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 11/12/2017 18:19

The mandela effect is this very strange phenomenon which consist of many people having a vivid alternative memory of something, as if reality had changed for those things .
Some famous non-musical examples :
Many remember vividly the JFK car where he was assassinated having 4 seats and not 6 seats like it is presented now (residue found : an article in Life magazine showing the 4 seats car)
The Volkswagen logo : many remember it never having the separation between the two letters (like two big V interlaced). Yet it has had this seperation since the begining… (some residues of the logo without separation were found)
The Thinker, by Rodin : many think is was always with a fist on the forehead, and not with the hand on the mouth (no residues, but many imitations of the pose with fist on forehead, including one of Bernard Shaw)
Sex in the City is now Sex and the City
Tom Cruise: no sunglasses in his dance scene in Risky Business..
Etc. There are about 50 known mandela effects to this day, I’d say. If you’re interested, see youtube channels Scarabperformance or Moneybags73

Now, music is concerned too :
So let’s start with these examples :
(credit to Scarabperformance or Moneybags73 on youtube)

1/In the song « With a little help from my Friend » by the Beatles, is it « What would you do if I sang out of tune » or « What would you think if I sang out of tune » ?

2/ Is it Chris Isaac or Chris Isaak ?

3/ Are these bands names without a « the » before : Bee Gees, Ramones, Eagles, Grateful Dead, Sex Pistols, Carpenters, Dave Matthews Band ?

4/ Is Madonna’s birth name : « Madonna Louise Ciccone » or « Louise Ciccone » ?