Best Ever Albums

Re: BEA 2017 Championship Tournament

baystateoftheart — Sat, 3 Nov 2018 21:10:23 GMT

Author: baystateoftheart

Posted: 11/04/2018 01:10

Three hours to cast your ballots and to update your charts to include your tournament discoveries (additional trophies awarded to the three albums with the biggest gains).

Re: BEA 2017 Championship Tournament

musicoed — Thu, 1 Nov 2018 10:59:20 GMT

Author: musicoed

Posted: 11/01/2018 14:59

The attitude to the albums is changing.
Some only benefit from the fact that you have not had time to truly appreciate them.
When you play in a cup, you have no margin for error.
With such a circular system, you can change not only your grades, but even the team.
The complexity is just in administration.
You need to manually change the scores in Excel to get a new summary table.

Re: BEA 2017 Championship Tournament

Skinny — Thu, 1 Nov 2018 10:19:34 GMT

Author: Skinny

Posted: 11/01/2018 14:19

The main issue I can foresee with that particular method of voting is that it requires the voter - if, that is, they want to vote fairly - to listen to a whole lot of albums in one block before voting. The head-to-head method means that I can listen to the albums as their matches are put up, which is a much more reasonable pace.

Re: BEA 2017 Championship Tournament

musicoed — Thu, 1 Nov 2018 10:04:13 GMT

Author: musicoed

Posted: 11/01/2018 14:04

My interest is not to draw attention to myself, much less to be involved in administration.
At the same time I like to participate in games to determine the best releases of the year.
With a knockout or circle.
The more there are, the better.
And I’ll definitely try not to miss your next tournament.
It is a pity that this time I did not have time to submit my application.

The tournament interest of the proposed option may be as follows:
Hold in the Top 10 more interesting albums to you.
Suppose you are currently entering the game.
The summary table is based only on my one rating.
Albums in the game: 40 + 1 (mine).
Suppose most of the 40 albums offered by other members are of no interest to you.
But from 40 albums you still need to choose 10 with positive ratings and 5 with negative.
If your list is less than 15 positions, it will be logical to reduce the strength of your voice.
Most likely, you will vote against the albums that are at the very top, if they are indifferent to you. In any case, I did it.
If you find time and make your list, we will calculate what the result will be.
Of course, you can choose 15 completely different albums and our points will not intersect.
Therefore, the more participants, the more interesting.
But when there are too many of them, then it’s definitely impossible to do without electronic voting.
And your option is then irreplaceable.

Re: BEA 2017 Championship Tournament

baystateoftheart — Wed, 31 Oct 2018 23:01:30 GMT

Author: baystateoftheart

Posted: 11/01/2018 03:01

So if I understand this correctly, everyone ranks their top 10 albums, which receive from 10 points to 1 point, and their bottom 5 albums, which receive from -5 points to -1 point. It's a pretty good system for doing the whole thing at once, which I'm not particularly interested in, because I like the tournament aspect. How would you do it for a tournament? Eliminate half the albums each round? Partway through, there would not be enough albums to support the dual positive and negative scoring system.

Voting systems are pretty complex to talk about even if both people are fluent in the same language! And I'm actually pretty happy with the voting system we used this year, so I don't know if we can come to an agreement. But it's a cool idea and thanks for taking the time to explain it.

Re: BEA 2017 Championship Tournament

musicoed — Wed, 31 Oct 2018 17:14:04 GMT

Author: musicoed

Posted: 10/31/2018 21:14

https://www.besteveralbums.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=531460#531460

baystateoftheart wrote:

musicoed wrote:

My humble wishes:
1. Start summarizing the 2018 tomorrow today - until 12/31/2018.
2. In three classic nominations: 1) Music videos; 2) Tracks; 3) Albums.
3. Refuse to vote without a face.
4. Use only personal rating lists.
5. Give the opportunity to declare no more than one release in the nomination.
6. Give the opportunity to change their applications and ratings.
7. Sum up the interim results at least every week.
8. Give the opportunity to vote against the non-liked releases.
9. Encourage first places at intermediate results.
10. Do not judge me strictly for my ignorance of language and arrogance.))

1. Sorry, no. People need time to review the year before the tournament.
2. I'm not sure if there's appetite for three different tournaments. And this is Best Ever Albums after all.
3. ?
4. ?
5. That's already how it worked this year.
6. I don't see how it would be workable for people to change their nominees once voting has begun.
7. This entire tournament I've been summing them up every day or every other day in the spreadsheet that's linked in every matchup. And you can see the results on every thread yourself if that's not enough.
8. You can already do this by voting for their opponents.
9. ?
10. No judgment on your language, but I make no promises on your other request.

baystateoftheart wrote:

musicoed wrote:

You understood me wrong.
I have no complaints.
On the contrary!
I am very pleased that there are music lovers like you.
You did a great job.
I myself used electronic voting.
But this is a rather crude method.
It is justified for a large number of participants.
For 20 participants can be counted manually.
I would take it myself, but no one will support me, I'm afraid.

Thanks. Electronic voting is built into BEA, and I have faith that we can use the honor system and people will not manipulate the results. If that faith proves misplaced, obviously we will need to find another solution. To be clear, voting in the poll and then commenting did not count twice. The poll was the only way to vote.
…

Better to show than to try to explain in an unknown language to me. 🫢
Here is a variant of my ranking list for determining the top 10 albums of 2017.
It includes albums from the general list + my application (underlined).
If other participants also make such ratings, they can be combined.

1. «+10» Perfume Genius – No Shape (craola)
2. «+09» Flotation Toy Warning – The Machine That Made Us (musicoed)
3. «+08» Susanne Sundfør – Music For People In Trouble (RockyRaccoon)
4. «+07» Sufjan Stevens / Nico Muhly / Bryce Dessner / James McAlister – Planetarium (Mercury)
5. «+06» Ariel Pink – Dedicated To Bobby Jameson (Norman Bates)
6. «+05» The National – Sleep Well Beast (Komorebi-D)
7. «+04» Circuit Des Yeux – Reaching For Indigo (meccalecca)
8. «+03» Wolf Alice – Visions Of A Life (StreetSpirit)
9. «+02» The Dream Syndicate – How Did I Find Myself Here? (dihansse)
10. «+01» Neil Cicierega – Mouth Moods (Rhyner)
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11. «-01» King Gizzard & The Lizard Wizard – Flying Microtonal Banana (glynspa)
12. «-02» Jesca Hoop – Memories Are Now (Gowi)
13. «-03» Phoebe Bridgers – Stranger In The Alps (babyBlueSedan)
14. «-04» Alvvays – Antisocialites (baystateoftheart)
15. «-05» Open Mike Eagle – Brick Body Kids Still Daydream (benpaco)

P.S. negative scores are assigned not to bad, but to overvalued albums.
No offense.

Re: BEA 2017 Championship Tournament

baystateoftheart — Fri, 26 Oct 2018 12:59:34 GMT

Author: baystateoftheart

Posted: 10/26/2018 16:59

Voting for the final four round closes at 11:59 PM Eastern Time tonight. Get those votes in!

Re: BEA 2017 Championship Tournament

baystateoftheart — Thu, 25 Oct 2018 12:53:19 GMT

Author: baystateoftheart

Posted: 10/25/2018 16:53

I highly suggest adding your new discoveries to your charts before the tournament concludes. Gold, silver, and bronze medals will be awarded for the largest increases in BEA chart position.

Re: BEA 2017 Championship Tournament

baystateoftheart — Wed, 17 Oct 2018 21:22:42 GMT

Author: baystateoftheart

Posted: 10/18/2018 01:22

PSA: The elite eight round will conclude tomorrow, October 18 at 11:59 PM Eastern Time. Be sure to get your votes in by then!

Re: BEA 2017 Championship Tournament

baystateoftheart — Wed, 17 Oct 2018 16:21:31 GMT

Author: baystateoftheart

Posted: 10/17/2018 20:21

Tha1ChiefRocka wrote:

Nah I don't care about sexuality at all. I didn't even know that about Susanne Sundfor.

I said that about the Arca videos because I think that nudity to represent vulnerability in art is overplayed, dumb, and pretentious.

Oh ok that helps me understand your opinion on Arca. And I don't think craola was saying she's LGBT.

Re: BEA 2017 Championship Tournament

baystateoftheart — Wed, 17 Oct 2018 16:17:34 GMT

Author: baystateoftheart

Posted: 10/17/2018 20:17

Skinny wrote:

Take my chart with a pinch of salt. Hasn't been updated since July '17. If you shoot me the list of nominees, I'll highlight my faves.

Here's the spreadsheet with the list of nominees and all the results so far: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/162Jtf61h7eOH3aMxGtQroB_lN7MxwuhQpA4Qu4lCCIU/

craola wrote:

How would it played it out for you given the nominations?

I put that in another sheet in the linked spreadsheet. If anyone wants me to add how they'd do the bracket to the spreadsheet, I can input it manually or let you edit a sheet (PM).

Re: BEA 2017 Championship Tournament

Tha1ChiefRocka — Wed, 17 Oct 2018 16:17:10 GMT

Author: Tha1ChiefRocka

Posted: 10/17/2018 20:17

Nah I don't care about sexuality at all. I didn't even know that about Susanne Sundfor.

I said that about the Arca videos because I think that nudity to represent vulnerability in art is overplayed, dumb, and pretentious.

Re: BEA 2017 Championship Tournament

craola — Wed, 17 Oct 2018 16:03:33 GMT

Author: craola

Posted: 10/17/2018 20:03

baystateoftheart wrote:

I wasn't suggesting that people voted against them because of their identity. But the fact that sexuality is more overt in their music and performances than some other artists clearly turned some people off, if you recall the Arca first round thread. Many of the nominees are not in Skinny's chart, and lots of people including him have nominated albums that aren't highest on their charts, hence my question to him.

I suppose that's fair (on both points). Two of my top five albums made the tourney (as mentioned earlier), so my vote is pretty obvious in that regard. How would it played it out for you given the nominations?

Re: BEA 2017 Championship Tournament

Skinny — Wed, 17 Oct 2018 15:57:16 GMT

Author: Skinny

Posted: 10/17/2018 19:57

Take my chart with a pinch of salt. Hasn't been updated since July '17. If you shoot me the list of nominees, I'll highlight my faves.

Re: BEA 2017 Championship Tournament

baystateoftheart — Wed, 17 Oct 2018 15:48:05 GMT

Author: baystateoftheart

Posted: 10/17/2018 19:48

craola wrote:

Susanne Sundfor getting booted is my biggest letdown but having nominated Perfume Genius, that's a close second. Do you think their sexuality had anything to do with them getting dropped so early? I would hope that's pretty irrelevant to the voters.

craola wrote:

That would kind of defeat the purpose of the tournament, right? I'm not terribly excited about anything that's left, but I'll keep on participating nonetheless. We've all got our own year charts for our opinions on how this tourney should've gone.

Many of the nominees are not in Skinny's chart, and lots of people including him have nominated albums that aren't highest on their charts, hence my question to him.

Re: BEA 2017 Championship Tournament

craola — Wed, 17 Oct 2018 15:36:00 GMT

Author: craola

Posted: 10/17/2018 19:36

baystateoftheart wrote:

The biggest letdown for me was both Arca and Perfume Genius getting upset in the first round. I guess there’s not a lot of fondness for queer art pop.

baystateoftheart wrote:

If every album you had voted for had won, what would be left in the tournament?

Re: BEA 2017 Championship Tournament

baystateoftheart — Wed, 17 Oct 2018 08:30:05 GMT

Author: baystateoftheart

Posted: 10/17/2018 12:30

Skinny wrote:

This is no slight on anyone, but it feels like an underwhelming, somewhat homogenous last eight to me. I find very few of these records exciting in any way.

The biggest letdown for me was both Arca and Perfume Genius getting upset in the first round. I guess there’s not a lot of fondness for queer art pop. If every album you had voted for had won, what would be left in the tournament?

Re: BEA 2017 Championship Tournament

Skinny — Wed, 17 Oct 2018 02:15:50 GMT

Author: Skinny

Posted: 10/17/2018 06:15

baystateoftheart wrote:

I voted the exact opposite of you haha. Agree that it's a good batch overall.

This is no slight on anyone, but it feels like an underwhelming, somewhat homogenous last eight to me. I find very few of these records exciting in any way.

Re: BEA 2017 Championship Tournament

baystateoftheart — Tue, 16 Oct 2018 23:11:10 GMT

Author: baystateoftheart

Posted: 10/17/2018 03:11

Purplepash wrote:

Deserved close calls as it's a great final eight. Six of these are in my best of 2017, three from the year and three finds from this tourney. By the way I voted for King Gizz, Wolf Alice, The National, and Jesca Hoop. Looking forward to seeing who goes through.

I voted the exact opposite of you haha. Agree that it's a good batch overall.

Re: BEA 2017 Championship Tournament

Purplepash — Tue, 16 Oct 2018 22:54:47 GMT

Author: Purplepash

Posted: 10/17/2018 02:54

Deserved close calls as it's a great final eight. Six of these are in my best of 2017, three from the year and three finds from this tourney. By the way I voted for King Gizz, Wolf Alice, The National, and Jesca Hoop. Looking forward to seeing who goes through.