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Re: Early Stones albums discussion board

Spyglass — Wed, 6 May 2020 17:06:33 GMT

Author: Spyglass

Posted: 05/06/2020 21:06

As I've been trying to state before, can we avoid "pick UK or US" or "pick London or Decca?" I don't think most people here are really grasping what I'm trying to say. I suppose it's my own fault because I wasn't sure of it either, and the current thread title must not have helped. Now I'm guilty of my own problem of confusion in an effort to subdue it with an answer to the original problem. I might have to just change the statement in the OP (and maybe the title) and go on. I think I'll change the thread to an early Rolling Stones discussion thread.

Re: Early Stones albums discussion board

Anonymous — Wed, 6 May 2020 16:05:37 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 05/06/2020 20:05

Spyglass wrote:

Both the UK and US catalogues are bound to have at least one album that's no different from a fucked up comp full of songs taken from different albums with their own unique essence.

Because that was the Stones career at the time. That mess in inherent to the way their career was developing.
As everybody already knows when they first toured US they went and scheduled some studio time and recorded in Chicago and LA. Tracks from those sessions appeared here and there and everywhere during those years in albums that seems like compilations to us but were the norm back then. As has already been said in this thread, it's not like they step in the studio thinking "ok guys, this is our new artistic project". They just took breaks to record tracks, and then those were selected -not by them- to appear in singles, eps or full albums. Those decisions were not of artistic nature but of commercial one.
OF course you already know all this, so the only way to make sense/order of that period of their career is to compile the tracks roughly as they were recorded. Or to stick to London or Decca set of releases and call it done. Or to own both sets and completely forget on what album were Poison Ivy or Fortune Teller or... 😁

Re: Early Stones albums discussion board

Spyglass — Tue, 5 May 2020 18:06:53 GMT

Author: Spyglass

Posted: 05/05/2020 22:06

"You live in the US, go with the US albums."

That's exactly what annoys me. It's an easy way out of a complex problem, and that kind of "solution" always bugs me no matter what the situation is. It's no different than wiping dirt under a rug. Forgive me for giing overboard with this, but that kind of action is one of my pet peeves. You can't solve the Stones problem with the Beatles answer; they need to be orhanized in two different ways for a proper solution. I understand it's "accepted" among the populace, but so are a lot of things.

I think those two lists really helped. This way I can get through the albums in question with no fear of repeats like on the American Beatles works. The problem here is that the UK Beatles catalogue had no repeats from overseas, so an official version would be easy. I checked: all the UK Beatles albums had nothing but new songs. Rolling Stones was different; both UK and US catalogues from the Stones had repeats. Both the UK and US catalogues are bound to have at least one album that's no different from a fucked up comp full of songs taken from different albums with their own unique essence.

Re: Early Stones albums discussion board

Romanelli — Mon, 4 May 2020 19:12:27 GMT

Author: Romanelli

Posted: 05/04/2020 23:12

albumceleste wrote:

At the time of release your country either got one or the other.
My father's vinyl collection from the 60s were UK version because that was what's being issued back in the day. Then when the CD era begun his Stones collection became US versions because that was the one that was arriving.
In the streaming era I don't think any of this matters for most listeners.

It matters to me...but I don't listen to albums via streaming. I buy my albums.

I believe that the difference was that The Beatles were able to easily make the selection of which set of albums were the official ones when they reissued on CD. They simply chose the UK albums and put the songs not on the UK albums on the Past Masters discs.

The Stones have absolutely no control over their earlier material. So the fate of their early material is in the hands of people who are no longer associated with the Rolling Stones. So my suggestion is that you pick one or the other and make that official to you. British or American. You'll never figure it out trying to mix the two. You live in the US. Go with the US albums, and leave it at that. If there are tracks left off, then that's what compilations are for.

Re: Early Stones albums discussion board

Anonymous — Mon, 4 May 2020 17:47:39 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 05/04/2020 21:47

Spyglass wrote:

I guess I got annoyed when I found out that people just pick one or the other

Re: Early Stones albums discussion board

Spyglass — Sun, 3 May 2020 20:18:15 GMT

Author: Spyglass

Posted: 05/04/2020 00:18

EDIT: No, I know what I wanted. I guess I just thought if the Beatles had an official one based on the fact that all of their homeland's studio albums were all made up of original tracks, then the Rolling Stones problem I avoided for so long should have one. I guess I got annoyed when I found out that people just pick one or the other, which meant no one really bothered with it. So I'll be referring to the lists for the answers. I still might not play 12 x 5, maybe not yet.

Thanks for your comments.

Re: Early Stones albums discussion board

Jameth — Sun, 3 May 2020 19:05:10 GMT

Author: Jameth

Posted: 05/03/2020 23:05

Google “Rolling Stones Uk vs us albums” and look through the SH threads that come up.

Personally, I just listened to the UK albums (which are the versions uploaded to Apple Music) and was done with it. No need to smash your head against the wall trying to hear both versions of their early albums.

Re: Early Stones albums discussion board

Spyglass — Sun, 3 May 2020 16:19:07 GMT

Author: Spyglass

Posted: 05/03/2020 20:19

Romanelli wrote:

Sorry....

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Okay...carry on...

This took me a minute, but I think I have it: I just linked a list by an old member.

Re: Early Stones albums discussion board

Romanelli — Sun, 3 May 2020 15:08:28 GMT

Author: Romanelli

Posted: 05/03/2020 19:08

Spyglass wrote:

JGuy

Sorry....

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Okay...carry on...

Re: Early Stones albums discussion board

Spyglass — Sun, 3 May 2020 13:45:54 GMT

Author: Spyglass

Posted: 05/03/2020 17:45

I've been spending a few minutes at a time on Rateyourmusic looking for other potential answers through the lists search. The only other one I could find was this list by a user called JGuy.

https://rateyourmusic.com/list/JGuy/sorting-out-the-early-rolling-stones-discography/

He makes some strong points and compared the number of original tracks per release to each other. I'm a little dissapointed that the chart lacks the color coding of the first list I linked, but this chart still helps answer my question. My only concern is whether or not to include 12 x 5 as a studio album His argument is that the songs from the 5 x 5 EP were released on an EP, so it's alright. Is that because songs from EP's have been released on official studio albums before? If I include 12 x 5, then by his consensus of which albums are the most original, the British Rolling Stones No. 2 becomes the third "real" studio album. Everything with too many previously released songs becomes "practically" a reissue or a comp.

I guess the 12 x 5 problem is a tossup.

Re: Early Stones albums discussion board

RoundTheBend — Sat, 2 May 2020 22:08:26 GMT

Author: RoundTheBend

Posted: 05/03/2020 02:08

Spyglass wrote:

What do you think of the above chart I linked? It provides some answers, but I might have to study it more closely because I'm having a hard time finding other charts on Rateyourmusic that answer the question. Most of the lists I'm looking through are ranking the discography or lists from Rolling Stone magazine.

Does anyone also have suggestions for keywords I should try? Keywords mean everything.

I guess I'm not really understanding what you are trying to accomplish - if it's listening to their full recorded works, it seems like following that chart above is a great way to tackle that.

If you are trying to decide US vs UK - I suppose listen to both and what I'd do is rate each song and then average it out... whichever scores the highest wins... some people throw on the holistic score on top or whatever too... sometimes I think that's complicated.

Spotify mostly has both UK and US versions and really a lot of those early records are like 30 minutes. Probably best way forward (at least if I were tackling this project... so I'll just speak for myself) is to listen to both and then make a list indicating why you liked one over the other.

So not sure why the search for the ultimate answer - make your own. It's subjective anyway.

Re: Early Stones albums discussion board

RoundTheBend — Sat, 2 May 2020 22:01:40 GMT

Author: RoundTheBend

Posted: 05/03/2020 02:01

A good artists discography is actually exhilarating to go through... see how they improve/change/mind bend, etc.

A shit artists discography... well I'd rather eat a broken glass sandwich.

Some artists though at least have a decent streak worth listening to in chronological order.

Re: Early Stones albums discussion board

Spyglass — Sat, 2 May 2020 21:28:00 GMT

Author: Spyglass

Posted: 05/03/2020 01:28

I'm not sure how to be offended by that, but everybody has different music habits. I got through all 38 Bob Dylan albums at once at one time.

Re: Early Stones albums discussion board

911Turbo — Sat, 2 May 2020 20:28:04 GMT

Author: 911Turbo

Posted: 05/03/2020 00:28

spyglass, please dont take this offensively, but dont you get burnt out from listening to album after album of the stones.
i find i cant distinguish the album from one to another. but thats me.
for me, i listen to 1 album and then spin another 1 in a couple of weeks or more.
if it does work for you--keep going.
cheers

Re: Early Stones albums discussion board

Spyglass — Sat, 2 May 2020 18:31:49 GMT

Author: Spyglass

Posted: 05/02/2020 22:31

I guess so. Going for the UK chronology might be the best way to do it. But if there are any American albums that can qualify as separate albums on their own, I'd want that to.

Re: Early Stones albums discussion board

Anonymous — Sat, 2 May 2020 14:48:40 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 05/02/2020 18:48

albumceleste wrote:

for the UK version you could go
The Rolling Stones (vol 1)
TRS vol 2
Out of our heads (uk)
Aftermath (uk)
Between the buttons (uk)
and The singles collection 3 albums box set

Anyway it's the same material if you listen to the us albums, just that in some of them you will find style incongruences when early r&b tracks appear next to more advanced stuff. Before Aftermath the Stones just recorded sessions and the company compiled the albums, both in uk and us. So I always just thinked of it as "their 64 output, their 65 output" etc

Seems sensible. Then you get albums as originally intended and catch the singles in a collection.

Re: Early Stones albums discussion board

Spyglass — Sat, 2 May 2020 13:11:23 GMT

Author: Spyglass

Posted: 05/02/2020 17:11

What do you think of the above chart I linked? It provides some answers, but I might have to study it more closely because I'm having a hard time finding other charts on Rateyourmusic that answer the question. Most of the lists I'm looking through are ranking the discography or lists from Rolling Stone magazine.

Does anyone also have suggestions for keywords I should try? Keywords mean everything.

Re: Early Stones albums discussion board

Spyglass — Sat, 2 May 2020 12:51:08 GMT

Author: Spyglass

Posted: 05/02/2020 16:51

Man, Google is no fuckinh help sometimes. I google words like "early albums" and "confusion" or "problem" or "mess," and I'm getting all these ranked lists.

I found something on Google which kind of helps, though. This guy Gumbyjaws on Rateyourmusic made this chart called "Rolling Stones Collecting Simplified."

https://rateyourmusic.com/list/gumbyjaws/rolling-stones-collecting-simplified/

It kind of answers my question, though it still points out that you should either check out the UK or US chronologies because both chronologies have have their strengths. Each song is color-coded by album to help you sort out which came where.

I'll keep looking for other charts, though.

Re: Early Stones albums discussion board

Spyglass — Sat, 2 May 2020 12:22:45 GMT

Author: Spyglass

Posted: 05/02/2020 16:22

Trendall wrote:

Oh my this question has been bugging me for years now.

I'm just gonna see if someone fixed this issue already because I don't have the motivation to do it myself. It could all go a dozen ways.

Re: Early Stones albums discussion board

Trendall — Sat, 2 May 2020 09:07:51 GMT

Author: Trendall

Posted: 05/02/2020 13:07

Oh my this question has been bugging me for years now.