Best Ever Albums

Re: Album of the day (#3471): The Wall by Pink Floyd

AAL2014 — Mon, 29 Jun 2020 23:52:17 GMT

Author: AAL2014

Posted: 06/30/2020 03:52

manurock wrote:

Of course Pink Floyd is not Waters, but this album was the closest to a solo artist album upto that point in the band's trajectory, and I feel that it makes it less organic than their previous output (while still being fantastic). Of course that's my opinion, I understand the reasons why some people love it so much.

This is pretty much exactly how I've felt about the Wall.

Re: Album of the day (#3471): The Wall by Pink Floyd

Anonymous — Mon, 29 Jun 2020 07:26:03 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 06/29/2020 11:26

Yann wrote:

It's more a concept album than a rock opera (or in-between). It's especially the song "The Trial", with its Kurt Weill style, that leaves an operatic impression.

I agree with this. It doesn't hold together particularly well as a narrative but the songs work well conceptually as little mini suites.

I particularly like LP1 Side 1 when Pink is growing up. Great songs and concepts. Side 2 I think is less relatable and not so enjoyable musically (rock star hedonism). Side 3 (where he is behind the wall) picks things up but takes some time to get going. Comfortably Numb is an all timer. Side 4 is really good- with Pink become a sort of fascist. Run for your life sounds like they just invented 80s stadium rock. It's surprising how much some of the other stuff sounds like The Beach Boys/Supertramp.

All in all pretty great. I admire the investment in such an ambitious project even though I think it's a little uneven.

Re: Album of the day (#3471): The Wall by Pink Floyd

911Turbo — Sun, 28 Jun 2020 13:01:26 GMT

Author: 911Turbo

Posted: 06/28/2020 17:01

thankyou for your clarity.
im not attacking you or challenging your historical data of the facts.
you provided a concise list -- i've read several articles that support your statements.

here are my personal thoughts: someone has to lead a band or have a strong influence on other band members.
as we know, in this case, roger waters wants to lead.
sometimes the best productive relationship are hostile. sometimes friendly relationships are productive.
there are no guarantees how people deal with one another and their reactions.
my point is the band has to go in a certain direction musically. was it always bread and roses - no it wasnt.
people got fired, individuals were outcast, etc... but i believe these interactions/aura is what made pink floyd so amazing.
in the end they stayed together. they recognized each others assets and downfalls.
pink floyd could not be the band they were without the saga played out through out the years.

Re: Album of the day (#3471): The Wall by Pink Floyd

manurock — Sat, 27 Jun 2020 04:47:01 GMT

Author: manurock

Posted: 06/27/2020 08:47

@911Turbo I agree with everything you say but I have to disagree on one point (which I think you wrote in part because of my comment).

911Turbo wrote:

This album was created by Pink Floyd. All members of the band contributed in a big way to this production and past productions. Yes roger waters was the main composer (he was also a main ingredient in dark side of the moon and animals and every other Floyd album) but Gilmour, Mason and Wright were involved, engaged, participated in. Lets not pretend that “ONLY” Roger Waters was the key player.

The concept of the album was written by Waters while Gilmour and Wright were recording their solo albums in France. The album is 80 minutes long. The songs are all composed by Roger Waters except "Young lust", "Comfortably Numb" and "Run like hell", which were written by Waters and Gilmour (and "The trial", written by Waters and Ezrin). The three songs add up to 14 minutes. That's less than 1/5 of the album. So, if you divide by 2, that means that Gilmour's writing contribution was 1/10. Unlike in DSOM, Wright didn't write a single piece. In the middle of the recording sessions, he was fired by Waters and ended up as a studio musician in the Wall. Of course Pink Floyd is not Waters, but this album was the closest to a solo artist album upto that point in the band's trajectory, and I feel that it makes it less organic than their previous output (while still being fantastic). Of course that's my opinion, I understand the reasons why some people love it so much.

Re: Album of the day (#3471): The Wall by Pink Floyd

Anonymous — Fri, 26 Jun 2020 16:05:00 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 06/26/2020 20:05

911Turbo wrote:

I especially enjoy how they eliminated the dead space between songs. They filled it up with unusual and interesting phrases. “if you don’t eat your meat how can you have any pudding. How can you have any pudding if you don’t eat or meat” or “ are these all your guitars?”, or the sound of bombers flying overhead or “the operator calling the usa and the person hangs up on them.”

Yes, I love this too, and also film extracts:

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Re: Album of the day (#3471): The Wall by Pink Floyd

911Turbo — Fri, 26 Jun 2020 13:13:45 GMT

Author: 911Turbo

Posted: 06/26/2020 17:13

Somewhat surprised by some comments.

This album was created by Pink Floyd. All members of the band contributed in a big way to this production and past productions. Yes roger waters was the main composer (he was also a main ingredient in dark side of the moon and animals and every other Floyd album) but Gilmour, Mason and Wright were involved, engaged, participated in. Lets not pretend that “ONLY” Roger Waters was the key player.

This album was cutting edge. It was enormously needed at a time when disco and electronic sounding bands dominated the air space ( ie Thompson twins, new order etc..).

There are so many great songs: mother, comfortably numb, another brick in the wall (who could have ever imagined a song like this other than Floyd). How about the lesser played songs – Hey you, run like hell (this song should be the back drop for all those antifa members destroying properties and causing havoc), or young lust (oh I need a dirty woman!).

Pink Floyd successfully experimented with many different presentations. They also created a lot of garbage. Most musicians do.
But this album is extoradinary. It’s a classic.

I especially enjoy how they eliminated the dead space between songs. They filled it up with unusual and interesting phrases. “if you don’t eat your meat how can you have any pudding. How can you have any pudding if you don’t eat or meat” or “ are these all your guitars?”, or the sound of bombers flying overhead or “the operator calling the usa and the person hangs up on them.”

Personally I don’t compare this album to other Floyd albums. Each one is unique and stands on its own.
A true masterpiece.

Re: Album of the day (#3471): The Wall by Pink Floyd

Spyglass — Wed, 24 Jun 2020 09:07:13 GMT

Author: Spyglass

Posted: 06/24/2020 13:07

Gowi wrote:

I guess the joke was a bit tongue-in-cheek.

Re: Album of the day (#3471): The Wall by Pink Floyd

mickilennial — Wed, 24 Jun 2020 03:24:11 GMT

Author: mickilennial

Posted: 06/24/2020 07:24

Spyglass wrote:

Glad to see that you've kissed and made up.

Re: Album of the day (#3471): The Wall by Pink Floyd

Spyglass — Wed, 24 Jun 2020 01:17:45 GMT

Author: Spyglass

Posted: 06/24/2020 05:17

Glad to see that you've kissed and made up.

Re: Album of the day (#3471): The Wall by Pink Floyd

RoundTheBend — Tue, 23 Jun 2020 23:40:54 GMT

Author: RoundTheBend

Posted: 06/24/2020 03:40

https://open.spotify.com/album/6Cp2YMMYF0cCgXWC11llhb?si=tdCMljeJSi-AELpP_siWdA

Ironically listened to this earlier today - absolutely heart-wrenching Polish work about above subject discussed.

Re: Album of the day (#3471): The Wall by Pink Floyd

RoundTheBend — Tue, 23 Jun 2020 23:06:12 GMT

Author: RoundTheBend

Posted: 06/24/2020 03:06

alright, alright alright... Gowi and I have worked things out - I was like 30 minutes late to a PM... 🫢 🫢 🫢 🫢

Re: Album of the day (#3471): The Wall by Pink Floyd

RoundTheBend — Tue, 23 Jun 2020 22:59:52 GMT

Author: RoundTheBend

Posted: 06/24/2020 02:59

Sounds great... at any rate, this was my full quote, giving the context to what I was saying... for those who like to read and get holistic understandings of a thought:

Quote:

I feel like those who have ties to family who lived through WW2 DO NOT see it as pretentiousness, but reality.

I think we had a similar thread earlier about the amount of cheese someone is willing to deal with - it's all in the eye of the beholder. The ability to connect to the feelings to be true or not. Uncanny valley is an interesting concept to go look up about art if you are less familiar with it.

The sounds of airplanes and bombs and shit lifestyle someone has to live through post-war is a real thing. It's not pretentious. It actually is a pivotal work of art representing a generation that was "forced" to follow rules - and a society that reinforced rule following and the generation that uprooted it... as well... amongst other things.

I suppose you could call the methodology pretentious, but I didn't feel that way - I was able to relate to the bombastic features to represent such evil parts of society and the results of such living (numb).

Also this is a fun concept to understand if simple facts aren't allowing one to see a bigger picture/like to ignore the bigger picture for a single fact - I think the saying is stepping over dollars to pick up pennies?

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Re: Album of the day (#3471): The Wall by Pink Floyd

mickilennial — Tue, 23 Jun 2020 22:56:13 GMT

Author: mickilennial

Posted: 06/24/2020 02:56

RoundTheBend wrote:

Maybe in real life man.

On the internet people's fangs come out in ways they wouldn't dare do in real life.

I would've said the same thing IRL, man. I think it is best this subject is dropped, at any rate.

Re: Album of the day (#3471): The Wall by Pink Floyd

RoundTheBend — Tue, 23 Jun 2020 22:53:55 GMT

Author: RoundTheBend

Posted: 06/24/2020 02:53

Spyglass wrote:

One man said, "I feel like this is the case," not saying that it definitely is the case. Another man disagrees because of his heritage. Let's not turn this into a fight.

Maybe in real life man.

On the internet people's fangs come out in ways they wouldn't dare do in real life.

Re: Album of the day (#3471): The Wall by Pink Floyd

RoundTheBend — Tue, 23 Jun 2020 22:52:48 GMT

Author: RoundTheBend

Posted: 06/24/2020 02:52

RockyRaccoon wrote:

I wouldn't call it that. The math is pretty simple - it was said that those who have ties to family who lived through WW2 don't see The Wall as pretentiousness, but reality. Gowi sees The Wall as pretentiousness. Gowi has real family ties to WW2. Therefore the implication is that his opinion is not legitimate.

So, it's easy to see why that would offend him.

That was not my intent at all.

My apologies to anyone who thought I would even think such a thing. I'm sorry that your family was terrorized to the point that in the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th generation, it still is something that haunts you even if the intent wasn't meant. I have a similar, yet completely, different feeling with a Mormon heritage. Things people don't even mean today still effect me, even if I don't believe it at all. I'll just speak for me, I feel it's my duty to choose not to be offended.

For anyone who might actually query what I meant instead of stab me in the back without asking, is that I was talking about people in London or Munich who had to wake up in the middle of the night to bombs and airplanes like are recorded in the album. And that those sounds still haunt them into their death - waking up in the middle of the night screaming mommy help me as if they are children being tormented by those sounds. Or my grandfather who would wake up in the middle of the night thinking his body was burning.

There's a reason whole paragraphs are written... they are giving the context to a whole thought. Those who like to take a single sentence out of a paragraph and twist them to give themselves a different meaning than the whole of the paragraph... likely need to take a moment and re-read the paragraph to see if ALL the facts align with your conclusion, not the single sentence.

As a simple literary excercise, let's take the oxford comma:
Let's eat, grandma!
vs
Let's eat grandma!

They have radically different meanings... and complete idiots would argue those meanings as "facts" until the death before they'd ask the sender of the message what actually was meant. What if someone forgot the oxford comma, would you immediately say what a fucking canibal immediately and then if the person declares, no sir, you are misunderstanding... do you then keep on foolishly saying, well you said this so you suck as a person and I know everything because I read 4 words on the internet. Good lord...

I fucking hate Twitter for this purpose. This world can't function past like 5 words. It's stating to piss me off.

Anyway, in case I was ignorant to anything jewish in The Wall I googled, and what I found was actually more positive things - story is played by half jewish man (bob geldof) and a few other facts, but thankfully I found nothing anti-semetic. At any rate, I'd still be ignorant to any implications as such as I haven't found any.

WW2 in my mind has a one to many relationship with lots of thing. It is not a singular concept with a one to one relationship with the holocaust and nothing else.

Anyway, maybe I should stop posting in the forums. It's getting a bit too stressful for me to have multiple occasions where people go to Z calling me anti-semetic, a crony capitalist, racist, sexist, etc. when they know nothing about me when somehow WW2=holocaust and nothing else or similar such logic. I'll just stick to my classical music log which is nearly done and move on back perhaps to real musical interactions in person.

Re: Album of the day (#3471): The Wall by Pink Floyd

RoundTheBend — Tue, 23 Jun 2020 22:21:38 GMT

Author: RoundTheBend

Posted: 06/24/2020 02:21

Gowi wrote:

RoundTheBend wrote:

Gowi wrote:

RoundTheBend wrote:

I feel like those who have ties to family who lived through WW2 DO NOT see it as pretentiousness, but reality.

Excuse me?

You are only quoting part of what I stated and you are excused :).

What's your point?

That I'm literally one of the few [regular] members of BEA who had direct family members die in the Holocaust? Do you think the Polish flag is for show? What you just implied is wholly disingenuous AND offensive.

Woah dude you totally read that wrong.

What does The Wall have to do with the Holocaust? What does it have to do with those who survived it? If you can answer those two questions, then you know very well I had zero intention to talk about the holocaust...

Like zero intent.

By the way I recommend anyone who has access to the city of Los Angeles go to the Simon Wiesenthal Museum of Tolerance (I hope it's still there... it's been over a decade since I've been able to go).

Re: Album of the day (#3471): The Wall by Pink Floyd

LedZep — Tue, 23 Jun 2020 12:35:13 GMT

Author: LedZep

Posted: 06/23/2020 16:35

Probably the most overrated Pink Floyd album. It's not in my top 5, but it's still pretty good, especially the live performances throughout the years. I really love the story, and several standout moments that aren't often mentioned like The Thin Ice, Don't Leave Me Now, Goodbye Blue Sky and In The Flesh. Of course, Run Like Hell, Mother, Hey You and the two hits are fantastic as well. Think I've played over half of these songs on guitar at one point. The more I think of the highlights, the more I remember how good this is. Guess I'm still a sucker for Floyd albums after all this time 🤣

Re: Album of the day (#3471): The Wall by Pink Floyd

Daydreamer — Tue, 23 Jun 2020 12:16:32 GMT

Author: Daydreamer

Posted: 06/23/2020 16:16

Back to the album.

I absolutely and wholeheartedly love this album. It is probably the only concept album/rock opera where I actually care about the story. It's the confession of a deeply troubled individual and the reason I buy into it is because Roger Waters actually is a troubled, flawed character and it shows on the album. Musically it's obviously a step below previous three albums, but the story and the emotion it carries makes up for it. Some of Waters' best lyrical work is on this album.

On the other hand, it's so pompeus, theatrical and over the top that I can totally understand someone not liking it and calling it pretentious, which it definitely is, but I love it none the less.

Re: Album of the day (#3471): The Wall by Pink Floyd

Spyglass — Tue, 23 Jun 2020 10:46:58 GMT

Author: Spyglass

Posted: 06/23/2020 14:46

One man said, "I feel like this is the case," not saying that it definitely is the case. Another man disagrees because of his heritage. Let's not turn this into a fight.

Re: Album of the day (#3471): The Wall by Pink Floyd

Anonymous — Tue, 23 Jun 2020 09:49:11 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 06/23/2020 13:49

RockyRaccoon wrote:

Yann wrote:

RockyRaccoon wrote:

I don't read that at all.
Gowi finds the album pretentious in an early post of this thread. Fine.
Then, later on, Roundthebend says the sentence you mentioned. No apparent link, really.

But even it there was, I don't follow your reasoning. The implication you mention is not clear at all.

I'm not sure if you're oblivious or being intentionally obtuse. What Seth said was not directly linked to Gowi's opinion, I believe it was unintentional (how could Seth know Gowi's family WW2 connections?).

Either way, whether you see it or not, that's the inference Gowi made. It may not be the one you made, but that's not particularly relevant

Yes, of course it's Gowi who made the inference, but with no objective reason whatsoever! But strangely, you seem to find one... It won't help Gowi!