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Weekly charts

ASOARE — Sun, 9 Aug 2020 13:19:32 GMT

Author: ASOARE

Posted: 08/09/2020 17:19

I've added official weekly charts from 2020 (UK, USA and most of the World Chart) with the only purpose to have a better picture of the commercial performance of every album and also to make visible for most users some albums that seems to be ignored. Maybe the site will be promoted widely this way.

Re: Definition of a 'Recognised Chart'

albummaster — Thu, 5 Sep 2019 03:34:07 GMT

Author: albummaster

Posted: 09/05/2019 07:34

Yes, a later chart from the same source can be added to the site via custom chart. (In terms of scoring, the later chart would count towards BEA's rankings instead of any earlier ones).

Re: Definition of a 'Recognised Chart'

Cyrax — Wed, 4 Sep 2019 15:55:54 GMT

Author: Cyrax

Posted: 09/04/2019 19:55

Is it possible for the more recent Top 200 albums of the 1980s by Pitchfork to be added?

Re: Definition of a 'Recognised Chart'

mianfei — Fri, 23 Aug 2019 06:32:17 GMT

Author: mianfei

Posted: 08/23/2019 10:32

sidneyfranklyn wrote:

albummaster wrote:

1. The chart is from a well-regarded or widely-recognised source.
2. The chart is not limited to a particular time period. To qualify as a greatest album chart, end of year polls do not count and nor do polls that limit themselves to the last x number of years. However, if a chart is for a particular year or decade, it may qualify as a year or decade chart instead (so long as the chart covers the whole of the respective time period).
3. The chart is not limited to a particular music genre.
4. The chart is not limited to bands from a particular country or region.
5. The albums are ranked in order of greatness.

Not sure if this has been suggested before but having looked at these criteria, could I suggest that Anthony Fantano's end of year lists from 2010 to 2018 be added as recognised charts? Anthony Fantano may be a polarising critic for a lot of people (I personally enjoy his content whilst politely disagreeing with many of his opinions on albums), but it is undeniable that many people hold his opinion in high regard (his view and subscription count speaks for itself) and given that running theneedledrop his full-time job he certainly qualifies as a professional critic.

Happy to hear why you might feel he is an inappropriate source to be considered a 'recognised chart' and how he might contravene some of the above criteria without me realising, and if he is an appropriate source I don't mind adding the charts to the database. :)

I have never read him, but given my feelings about Joe S. Harrington and David Keenan, I would have to say that Fantano would be a recognised chart.

Re: Definition of a 'Recognised Chart'

albummaster — Thu, 22 Aug 2019 03:17:08 GMT

Author: albummaster

Posted: 08/22/2019 07:17

You can add them as custom charts and they can then be promoted. They can be flagged for promotion from the mod page for each chart (if I don't spot them sooner).

Re: Definition of a 'Recognised Chart'

ForegroundNoise — Wed, 21 Aug 2019 16:08:52 GMT

Author: ForegroundNoise

Posted: 08/21/2019 20:08

albummaster wrote:

IMHO, happy if some individual critics are sources for recognised lists on BEA. In reality, judge and jury for some of the publications is a single person anyway (a music editor or suchlike), so the publication just acts as a vehicle for their list. One of BEA's criteria is that the chart is from a well-regarded or widely-recognised source so as long as chart meets that criteria (and this example seems to), then it should be fine for BEA.

Ah thanks albummaster good to know! Is there any way I can add these lists to the database myself or do you need to be a data moderator to do so?

Re: Definition of a 'Recognised Chart'

albummaster — Wed, 21 Aug 2019 15:46:06 GMT

Author: albummaster

Posted: 08/21/2019 19:46

IMHO, happy if some individual critics are sources for recognised lists on BEA. In reality, judge and jury for some of the publications is a single person anyway (a music editor or suchlike), so the publication just acts as a vehicle for their list. One of BEA's criteria is that the chart is from a well-regarded or widely-recognised source so as long as chart meets that criteria (and this example seems to), then it should be fine for BEA.

Re: Definition of a 'Recognised Chart'

Hayden — Wed, 21 Aug 2019 10:30:35 GMT

Author: Hayden

Posted: 08/21/2019 14:30

sidneyfranklyn wrote:

albummaster wrote:

Youtube 'validation' has been an interesting conversation over the past few years. I think people have a hard time taking the platform seriously, but there isn't much argument for people not to.

Albumoftheyear.org counts Fantano, and he's definitely a major influence in today's music age, but I think BEA's sticking to publications. No Christgau, no Scaruffi, etc... Not sure where the line is, but that might seem fair. Just my observation though... I personally wouldn't say no to his lists being included.

Re: Definition of a 'Recognised Chart'

ForegroundNoise — Wed, 21 Aug 2019 04:01:45 GMT

Author: ForegroundNoise

Posted: 08/21/2019 08:01

albummaster wrote:

Re: Definition of Charts

mianfei — Thu, 4 Apr 2019 23:17:21 GMT

Author: mianfei

Posted: 04/05/2019 03:17

Vegas wrote:

Fair enough,

Good criteria for charts, but let's take it a step futher - albums should be dropped if they are compilations, soundtracks, feature covers, or feature primarily songs not written by the Artist performing them.

Also, I'm not sure, but do you have a chart on your site that consolidates the information from the 8 recognised charts and produces a definitive Top 100? Couldn't find one.

Great website, keep up the good work.

Vegas

In Harrington’s list – which was a landmark for me as a listener when I devoured it in the early 2000s – he says:

Joe S. Harrington wrote:

They also have to be albums created as singular works – no various-artist compilations qualified, which I thought was only fair, since they’re actually a programmer’s concept more than anything. It meant Nuggets, This is Boston Not LA and several volumes of Lee “Scratch” Perry’s classic sixties work had to be omitted, which in a way was heartbreaking – after all, an album’s an album, right? Because I also refused to allow greatest hits – so say goodbye to Chuck Berry’s Golden Decade, Marvin Gaye’s Super Hits and even James Brown’s Funky People. These have to be albums intended as albums – because half of what always made the LP record an art form was this kind of singularity.

The interesting thing is that, if we follow Harrington’s logic, we could also exclude:

— archival albums – released posthumously or after a band disbanded, like Karen Dalton’s Green Rocky Road
— remix albums like Björk’s Telegram (arguably my favourite album of hers)

I find that excluding those on Harrington’s criteria or yours is going rather far, although I do see a reason for not including compilations of recordings that are on other albums.

Re: Definition of a 'Recognised Chart'

albummaster — Wed, 17 Jan 2018 08:30:58 GMT

Author: albummaster

Posted: 01/17/2018 13:30

To make this a bit more fluid, if anybody has created a custom chart based on the rankings of an external source, and the chart meets the criteria defined elsewhere in this thread, then please post the following info in this thread:

1. A link to your custom chart on BEA
2. The title of the chart (as it appears on the source website)
3. A link to the chart on the source website so that BEA can link back to it (also helps us double check the details etc).

A massive thanks to DanielNunes93 for all of the 2017 charts that he has already provided. �'�

Re: Definition of a 'Recognised Chart'

albummaster — Tue, 20 Nov 2012 07:34:58 GMT

Author: albummaster

Posted: 11/20/2012 12:34

We're approaching the time of year when end of years lists start to crop up across the internet, and since the thread was started, we now have the possibility of combining those lists into the 2012 chart here.

The proposed method of submitting these lists is via custom charts. If a custom chart is a copy from a recognised source (defined earlier in this thread), and it is an overall, year, or decade chart, you can apply to get this chart seen as 'recognised' and it will then count towards the overall rankings. To do this, visit the admin page for a chart, and submit a data correction. We could also back-fill previous years via this method.

Charts from recognised sources must not themselves be aggregate lists. Any chart that is promoted, will no longer appear as being from your account, but will be credited as being from the original source.

Re: Definition of a 'Recognised Chart'

albummaster — Thu, 22 Dec 2011 04:32:44 GMT

Author: albummaster

Posted: 12/22/2011 09:32

monosyllables wrote:

This seems to be a thread with some inconsistent updating, but since I came across it, I was wondering if there are any plans to incorporate popular decade lists, like P4k's, now that we have the mechanics for BEA members to create them?

in the new year, once things settle down a bit, we can definitely look at adding some of these charts but I think we need to be fairly strict about which charts are included, as potentially there are lots of sources, and I don't want to flood the site with too many as not all of them will add the same value.

Re: Definition of a 'Recognised Chart'

monosyllables — Wed, 21 Dec 2011 12:53:26 GMT

Author: monosyllables

Posted: 12/21/2011 17:53

This seems to be a thread with some inconsistent updating, but since I came across it, I was wondering if there are any plans to incorporate popular decade lists, like P4k's, now that we have the mechanics for BEA members to create them?

Re: Definition of a 'Recognised Chart'

quizking — Fri, 2 Dec 2011 18:32:55 GMT

Author: quizking

Posted: 12/02/2011 23:32

Thanks to admin for getting back to me - back in a few weeks, possibly with some interest from a couple of (mainly) british sites if that's ok, not that it will swerve the overall chart too much if at all. And maybe i'll throw in my own updated chart with just one album per artist (except for tom waits - can't see how "one from the heart" counts as a solo tom waits album, some mistake surely?). In the meanwhile, despite the bias towards the '60s and '70s in my current chart, am only in my mid-40s - but still wouldn't mind some free viagra if any of your promo scammers slip through the net, never know when it might be useful.

cheers!

steve

Re: Definition of a 'Recognised Chart'

albummaster — Thu, 1 Dec 2011 02:25:29 GMT

Author: albummaster

Posted: 12/01/2011 07:25

quizking wrote:

Just tried to post a link to a top 500 chart that may qualify as a "recognised" chart and is of some interest, but the system doesn't think i count as someone who has posted enough or been here long enough.

Apologies, there's a ten post threshold on posting links which is an anti-spam measure. I realise it sometimes adversely affects people, but it helps to stop BEA from being flooded with viagra adverts.

quizking wrote:

If admin would like to mail me directly then great - i have a couple of other ideas that might generate more interest for your site next year too

😎 will do...

Re: Definition of a 'Recognised Chart'

quizking — Wed, 30 Nov 2011 21:06:08 GMT

Author: quizking

Posted: 12/01/2011 02:06

Hello again, not been here for a while, and not having any luck posting at all, Just tried to post a link to a top 500 chart that may qualify as a "recognised" chart and is of some interest, but the system doesn't think i count as someone who has posted enough or been here long enough. If admin would like to mail me directly then great - i have a couple of other ideas that might generate more interest for your site next year too - but otherwise i'm yet again a bit annoyed at having spent a fair while typing links out and then the message gets rejected.

Otherwise, thanks to those who commented on my own chart - a different version coming soon with just one album per artist perhaps.

Re: Definition of a 'Recognised Chart'

FlashRah — Mon, 17 Oct 2011 02:32:45 GMT

Author: FlashRah

Posted: 10/17/2011 06:32

Awesome, I like to think I meet those criteria

Re: Definition of a 'Recognised Chart'

Detroit Rock Citizen — Tue, 22 Sep 2009 19:19:57 GMT

Author: Detroit Rock Citizen

Posted: 09/22/2009 23:19

Or at least make a chart lazybones

Re: Definition of a 'Recognised Chart'

joannajewsom — Sun, 20 Sep 2009 17:23:29 GMT

Author: joannajewsom

Posted: 09/20/2009 21:23

I know you're new, but this is clearly not the appropriate thread in which to talk about this. Go back to the albums section of the forum and start a new thread if you wish.