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Re: Scottish Music

RyanF1 — Tue, 31 Jan 2012 07:54:47 GMT

Author: RyanF1

Posted: 01/31/2012 12:54

Mr. Shankly wrote:

Okay, Ryan,

I have a question for you. Is it safe to say that The Velvet Underground was discovered earlier and revered more in Scotland that elsewhere in the UK? I'm thinking of The Jesus and Mary Chain, The Vaselines, The Delgados, My Bloody Valentine, and even Belle & Sebastian (who were influenced by the quieter side of the Velvet Underground). Why is this? I might even go as far as say to say, cult bands in general are bigger in Scotland. For example, Teenage Fanclub was hugely influenced by Big Star. The Delgados, who I briefly followed and saw once, I remember mentioning The Modern Lovers and Jonathan Richman as somebody they admired. Franz Ferdinand were clearly influenced by Gang of Four. I think Scotland tends to contribute more to the indie, underground, side of rock, whereas, England as a whole, is more likely to produce a movement like Brit pop. I remember distinctly, when I discovered Belle and Sebastian and thinking how they were the polar opposites of Oasis, who were big at the time, and of course, much more mainstream. Of course, in a land known for dark and dismal weather, you've also got a legacy of cute cheery twee bands. Why is that? So, I'm curious, what is it about Scotland, that makes the music scene so different from the rest of the UK? And as many cool bands as there are from Scotland, you also have a very bland sounding group like Travis. Oh! Weren't the Bay City Rollers from Scotland? 🤣

Also, I've been to Scotland, and I ended up in Glasgow accidentally, and I got to tell you, in Edinburgh, I could understand people. In Glasgow, the brogue is so thick, you might as well be speaking a different language. 🤣 I asked for directions on the street and I had no idea what this person was saying to me. 😕 :lol:

Sorry this took so long, didn't actuslly think there would have been this much interest in my topic!

Anyway, it's an interesting point you raise. A lot of these bands came out of Glasgow in the 80's and 90's when the city was going through a bit of a transformation. If people think Glasgow's rough now, it's nothing compared to it was 20/30 years ago, it was a tough place to live!

I think that young Scots listened to bands like the VU in an attempt to escape the pretty bleak atmosphere, and bands like J&MC came about as an act of rebellion almost. Anything alternative would normally have been avoided like the plague, but it's only natural that a group of young guys would have gone against this in an attempt to be different.

It's a good question and one that would maybe take a bit of research before I could fully answer it, but I think the above paragraphs will have to do for now 😜 I'd also add that Scots (mainly Glaswegians) are more likely to attach themselves to a 'cult' band and become proper fanatics, we don't do anything half-arsed in Glasgow 😉

You should research the stories of Postcard Records and Creation Records to give you a better idea, very interesting.

Re: Scottish Music

hairymarx1 — Tue, 31 Jan 2012 07:41:11 GMT

Author: hairymarx1

Posted: 01/31/2012 12:41

The Pastels
Fire Engines
Joseph K
Orange Juice
Aztec Camera
Jesus And Marychain
Belle And Sebastian
Donovan
Incredible String Band
The Pooh Sticks (actually Welsh, but for many years I thought they were Scots)
Ballboy
Cocteau Twins
Beta Band
Altered Images
The Shop Assistants

Re: Scottish Music

Chemical Smile — Tue, 31 Jan 2012 05:08:26 GMT

Author: Chemical Smile

Posted: 01/31/2012 10:08

I've mentioned them before, Frightened Rabbit are my favourite scottish band:

Link

Their album 'Winter Of Mixed Drinks' is a must-listen! 😎

Re: Scottish Music

RFNAPLES — Tue, 31 Jan 2012 01:03:13 GMT

Author: RFNAPLES

Posted: 01/31/2012 06:03

Donovan
Franz Ferdinand
Primal Scream
Teenage Fanclub
The Jesus and Mary Chain

Re: Scottish Music

Anonymous — Tue, 31 Jan 2012 00:47:41 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 01/31/2012 05:47

Mr. Shankly wrote:

What about Big Country? Were they Scottish?

Yeah they were Scottish...

As are Aztec Camera, Runrig, Deacon Blue, Glasvegas, The Shamen and I think Del Amitri...

Re: Scottish Music

Mr. Shankly — Tue, 31 Jan 2012 00:40:34 GMT

Author: Mr. Shankly

Posted: 01/31/2012 05:40

What about Big Country? Were they Scottish?

Re: Scottish Music

Anonymous — Tue, 31 Jan 2012 00:33:45 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 01/31/2012 05:33

demetrios wrote:

Ooh
I almost forgot the Waterboys.
What an EXCELLENT band!

Is that Scottish in the sense of British? (with English, Irish and Scottish members of he band, I am thinking that might be what you mean... 😉 )

Re: Scottish Music

demetrios — Tue, 31 Jan 2012 00:29:57 GMT

Author: demetrios

Posted: 01/31/2012 05:29

Ooh
I almost forgot the Waterboys.
What an EXCELLENT band!

Re: Scottish Music

demetrios — Tue, 31 Jan 2012 00:27:52 GMT

Author: demetrios

Posted: 01/31/2012 05:27

And no-one should forget that Oasis forced themselves into being discovered when they bullied themselves in a Glasgow club called King Tut's Wah-wah Hut.
Sometime please tell me this place is still open. I've seen some excellent gigs there...

Re: Scottish Music

demetrios — Tue, 31 Jan 2012 00:27:35 GMT

Author: demetrios

Posted: 01/31/2012 05:27

Ah!
Beautiful Glasgow...
Spent a year of my life there. What a city to be a student in.
Especially in the mid 90s, when the whole brit music scene was on full power...
Anyways, what was the question?
Scottish music.
The Primal Scream of course!!! (no one has mentioned THEM already???)
And the wonderfull Biffy Clyro. And the Soup Dragons.
And some respect maybe for the pop lovers: Travis. They've had some excellent singles.
Plus if you go back in the 80s you'll find Eurythmics and the Simple minds, and Deacon blue and... Wet wet wet.
😉

Re: Scottish Music

Anonymous — Tue, 31 Jan 2012 00:24:02 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 01/31/2012 05:24

Mr. Shankly wrote:

You're very protective of your hometown, aren't you? 🤣 Maybe I oversimplified it a bit. I'm still waiting for Ryan's response. The guy has better things to do, I suppose. 🙄 :lol:

Maybe a little bit yes... 🤣

Re: Scottish Music

Mr. Shankly — Tue, 31 Jan 2012 00:21:53 GMT

Author: Mr. Shankly

Posted: 01/31/2012 05:21

mancsoulsister wrote:

Mr. Shankly wrote:

mancsoulsister wrote:

Mr. Shankly wrote:

🫢

What's your hometown?

I like to think of it as the world's greatest ever music city (well sort of anyway!)

The clue is in the name :wink:

Oh, of course! Manchester. From what I've heard, the music / art scene is about the only thing good about it. Am I wrong about that? How did you end up in New Zealand? I'm also wondering what about Manchester you were relating to my post.

Erm.... 😨 I moved here!!

Manchester is not the most beautiful city on earth no (but it is definitely no worse than Glasgow!). And my point was to highlight than there is more to English music than just Britpop and there are definitely places south of the border that discovered cult bands (or actually produced cult bands!!!) and can easily hold their own on the innovative underground front.

I am not knocking the Scottish scene (not at all because there are heaps of bands from Scotland that I like). I just think it is a bit of stretch to say that Scotland is the home of the cult and underground movement and that England is only good for Oasis and Blur...

You're very protective of your hometown, aren't you? 🤣 Maybe I oversimplified the British music scene a bit. I'm still going to play devil's advocate: Other than maybe Joy Division, what other prominent English band was influenced by The Velvet Underground?

I'm still waiting for Ryan's response. The guy has better things to do, I suppose. 🙄 🤣

Re: Scottish Music

Anonymous — Tue, 31 Jan 2012 00:13:10 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 01/31/2012 05:13

Mr. Shankly wrote:

mancsoulsister wrote:

Mr. Shankly wrote:

🫢

What's your hometown?

I like to think of it as the world's greatest ever music city (well sort of anyway!)

The clue is in the name :wink:

Re: Scottish Music

Mr. Shankly — Mon, 30 Jan 2012 23:59:09 GMT

Author: Mr. Shankly

Posted: 01/31/2012 04:59

mancsoulsister wrote:

Mr. Shankly wrote:

🫢

What's your hometown?

I like to think of it as the world's greatest ever music city (well sort of anyway!)

The clue is in the name :wink:

Re: Scottish Music

Bork — Mon, 30 Jan 2012 23:38:43 GMT

Author: Bork

Posted: 01/31/2012 04:38

mancsoulsister wrote:

Mr. Shankly wrote:

🫢

What's your hometown?

I like to think of it as the world's greatest ever music city (well sort of anyway!)

The clue is in the name :wink:

It is also one of the few cities I've been to where motorists speed up instead of slow down when you try to cross the street.

Re: Scottish Music

Bork — Mon, 30 Jan 2012 23:37:38 GMT

Author: Bork

Posted: 01/31/2012 04:37

Mr. Shankly wrote:

Okay, Ryan,
Also, I've been to Scotland, and I ended up in Glasgow accidentally, and I got to tell you, in Edinburgh, I could understand people. In Glasgow, the brogue is so thick, you might as well be speaking a different language. 🤣 I asked for directions on the street and I had no idea what this person was saying to me. 😕 :lol:

Completely off topic, but anyway...For some reason the tax office for foreign companies establishing branches in the UK is located in Glasgow. I had to call there several times when I lived in Sweden and I would have gotten equally enlightened by calling another galaxy.

Re: Scottish Music

Anonymous — Mon, 30 Jan 2012 22:15:18 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 01/31/2012 03:15

Mr. Shankly wrote:

🫢

What's your hometown?

I like to think of it as the world's greatest ever music city (well sort of anyway!)

The clue is in the name 😉

Re: Scottish Music

Mr. Shankly — Mon, 30 Jan 2012 20:35:52 GMT

Author: Mr. Shankly

Posted: 01/31/2012 01:35

[quote="mancsoulsister"]

Mr. Shankly wrote:

Okay, Ryan,

Is it safe to say that The Velvet Underground was discovered earlier and revered more in Scotland that elsewhere in the UK? I'm thinking of The Jesus and Mary Chain, The Vaselines, The Delgados, My Bloody Valentine, and even Belle & Sebastian (who were influenced by the quieter side of the Velvet Underground). [/quote]

Only My Bloody Valentine are Irish... 🫵

Just saying... 😁

As for the rest of the post....

Ever heard of my home town?

Just saying.. :wink:

🫢

What's your hometown?

Re: Scottish Music

Anonymous — Mon, 30 Jan 2012 20:19:25 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 01/31/2012 01:19

Mr. Shankly wrote:

Only My Bloody Valentine are Irish... 🫵

Just saying... 😁

As for the rest of the post....

Ever heard of my home town?

Just saying.. 😉

Re: Scottish Music

Mr. Shankly — Mon, 30 Jan 2012 19:40:33 GMT

Author: Mr. Shankly

Posted: 01/31/2012 00:40

Okay, Ryan,

I have a question for you. Is it safe to say that The Velvet Underground was discovered earlier and revered more in Scotland that elsewhere in the UK? I'm thinking of The Jesus and Mary Chain, The Vaselines, The Delgados, My Bloody Valentine, and even Belle & Sebastian (who were influenced by the quieter side of the Velvet Underground). Why is this? I might even go as far as say to say, cult bands in general are bigger in Scotland. For example, Teenage Fanclub was hugely influenced by Big Star. The Delgados, who I briefly followed and saw once, I remember mentioning The Modern Lovers and Jonathan Richman as somebody they admired. Franz Ferdinand were clearly influenced by Gang of Four. I think Scotland tends to contribute more to the indie, underground, side of rock, whereas, England as a whole, is more likely to produce a movement like Brit pop. I remember distinctly, when I discovered Belle and Sebastian and thinking how they were the polar opposites of Oasis, who were big at the time, and of course, much more mainstream. Of course, in a land known for dark and dismal weather, you've also got a legacy of cute cheery twee bands. Why is that? So, I'm curious, what is it about Scotland, that makes the music scene so different from the rest of the UK? And as many cool bands as there are from Scotland, you also have a very bland sounding group like Travis. Oh! Weren't the Bay City Rollers from Scotland? 🤣

Also, I've been to Scotland, and I ended up in Glasgow accidentally, and I got to tell you, in Edinburgh, I could understand people. In Glasgow, the brogue is so thick, you might as well be speaking a different language. 🤣 I asked for directions on the street and I had no idea what this person was saying to me. 😕 🤣