Best Ever Albums

Re: CLOSED - 750: Round 1: K.R.I.T. v. Boy

Anonymous — Sat, 8 Nov 2014 19:40:59 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 11/09/2014 00:40

It's fair to say that Big K.R.I.T. is now the one facing the corner

13-11

Boy In Da Corner advances.

Re: CLOSED - 750: Round 1: K.R.I.T. v. Boy

Graeme2 — Wed, 5 Nov 2014 07:38:23 GMT

Author: Graeme2

Posted: 11/05/2014 12:38

I don't like either.

Re: CLOSED - 750: Round 1: K.R.I.T. v. Boy

Anonymous — Wed, 5 Nov 2014 00:27:55 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 11/05/2014 05:27

Still tied @ 11-11

Extended for another day.

Re: CLOSED - 750: Round 1: K.R.I.T. v. Boy

Anonymous — Sun, 2 Nov 2014 16:10:33 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 11/02/2014 21:10

I still have a vote here 😄 I vote if I choose one

Re: CLOSED - 750: Round 1: K.R.I.T. v. Boy

Anonymous — Sun, 2 Nov 2014 16:06:37 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 11/02/2014 21:06

Due to the tied score, I'll keep this open for another two days and if there is no winner by then.

Re: CLOSED - 750: Round 1: K.R.I.T. v. Boy

Anonymous — Sun, 2 Nov 2014 02:32:33 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 11/02/2014 07:32

Voting for K.R.I.T. on the Space rational. Think both are great and I probably prefer Boy In Da Corner overall, but I think K.R.I.T. is the better hip-hop album.

Re: CLOSED - 750: Round 1: K.R.I.T. v. Boy

Norman Bates — Fri, 31 Oct 2014 09:02:03 GMT

Author: Norman Bates

Posted: 10/31/2014 13:02

HigherThanTheSun wrote:

heard I Luv U in a club other week everyone went mad for it

I'd give a lot to hear this accidentally in a club. What a track. I'd probably go mad as well.

Re: CLOSED - 750: Round 1: K.R.I.T. v. Boy

HigherThanTheSun — Fri, 31 Oct 2014 08:26:23 GMT

Author: HigherThanTheSun

Posted: 10/31/2014 12:26

Sttin Here, Cut Em off.. sound nothing like hip hop I'd vote Boy In Da Corner over pretty much anything in the tourney though, was the best thing when it came out and still is now. One of few albums that pretty much everyone I know knows, heard I Luv U in a club other week everyone went mad for it

Re: CLOSED - 750: Round 1: K.R.I.T. v. Boy

Anonymous — Wed, 29 Oct 2014 17:05:23 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 10/29/2014 21:05

Well my two year old LOVES KRIT Wuz Here at least. Especially "Just Touched down." She can't get enough of that song and loves dancing to it. It's super cute but I'm pretty biased.

Re: CLOSED - 750: Round 1: K.R.I.T. v. Boy

Anonymous — Tue, 28 Oct 2014 17:28:21 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 10/28/2014 21:28

sp4cetiger wrote:

No war is necessary so long as users are able to live with each others' opinions. Both Skinny and I have already said that we're fine with however people want to vote, we're just saying what we think. To me, Boy in da Corner doesn't feel like hip hop, so I'm not going to vote for it in a hip-hop tournament. If you feel differently and think it's better than K.R.I.T., then by all means vote for it. I think there's a subjective element in any genre determination, so I'm not going to try to force my opinion on anyone else.

Also, I have absolutely no problem with people arguing about genre in these threads. I'd even say that I find this thread more interesting than most of the other threads in this already great tournament.

Haha! True enough. I totally yield. 🤣

Re: CLOSED - 750: Round 1: K.R.I.T. v. Boy

Anonymous — Tue, 28 Oct 2014 17:23:26 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 10/28/2014 21:23

RepoMan wrote:

Just my thoughts. Looking ahead I'd just hate to see any genre focused tourneys become mini genre wars instead of focusing on what particular albums kick ass.

Re: CLOSED - 750: Round 1: K.R.I.T. v. Boy

Anonymous — Tue, 28 Oct 2014 17:07:10 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 10/28/2014 21:07

Sp4cetiger wrote:

Precedent allowed it in the tournament, so it does belong, but it's just not the better hip hop album (in my mind, anyway). Suppose we'd had a punk tournament instead and somebody had nominated American Idiot. Even though I love that album and you could make a good argument for putting it in a punk tournament, I think it works far better as pop than as punk. So I wouldn't vote for it in most match-ups in that tournament and I honestly think it would make the community look a little silly if it won. Same situation here.

Haha! Nice choice of albums. Is it that obvious that I would not like American Idiot? 🤣

anyways, if someone truly felt that American Idiot was the the best album in a tournament (*shudders at the thought*) I would honestly hope that they voted for it and not factor in how it may look to others. Some of my favorite punk albums are quite poppy so I personally don't have a problem with punk going in that direction. Again, I don't like when genres are used to restrict how we think or approach a particular album and feel that we should judge albums at this stage solely based on their own merits and not some intangibles such as it not being punk enough.

If this were a purist hip hop community, I would understand the reservations about including Boy In Da Corner. If this were a purist hardcore community, I would understand the reservations about including an album like American Idiot. But since most people here actually treasure albums that are genre straddling or in this case, from a genre that's obscure to us, I think it goes contrary to the inclusive, adventurous listening spirit of this community. To most of us I'd suspect Boy In Da Corner is similar enough to hip hop to be worthy of voting for solely based on its quality of being one of the best & inventive albums of the 2000s.

Just my thoughts. Looking ahead I'd just hate to see any genre focused tourneys become mini genre wars instead of focusing on what particular albums kick ass.

Re: CLOSED - 750: Round 1: K.R.I.T. v. Boy

meccalecca — Tue, 28 Oct 2014 15:23:44 GMT

Author: meccalecca

Posted: 10/28/2014 19:23

Skinny wrote:

But whatever, if people think hip-hop and grime are (almost) the same thing, that's fine. I completely disagree, but that's neither here nor there. I'm choosing to abstain here because I don't think this is a fair comparison, at least not in the context of this particular tournament, but it's clear that other people have no such issue. Feel free to vote as you wish.

To be quite honest i've been mostly playing devil's advocate here, since I'm not really familiar enough with grime to have any argument, and I trust your knowledge of the subject matter far more than my own, but I think it's a worthwhile discussion to have in the context of a tournament based around a pretty wide-ranging genre with roots in sampling and borrowing from all over the spectrum.

Re: CLOSED - 750: Round 1: K.R.I.T. v. Boy

Skinny — Tue, 28 Oct 2014 15:06:19 GMT

Author: Skinny

Posted: 10/28/2014 19:06

Besides the fact that grime's musical template is almost totally exclusive from hip-hop, Dizzee's rapping itself is a descendant of jungle spitters, and reggae toasters before them. There are definitely hip-hop influences in terms of content, but in terms of flow and delivery Dizzee is a student of a style of rapping that is decidedly un-hip-hop. Matt Helders of the Arctic Monkeys regularly cites the way drums and percussion are used in hip-hop as his biggest influence - are we to accept, then, that Favourite Worst Nightmare is a hip-hop album? Because that's the level of hip-hop influence I hear in Boy in da Corner - a very small piece in a much larger, distinct puzzle. By your own comparison, would you not have an issue with the inclusion of The Low End Theory in a jazz tournament? I would. Also, I don't think Boy in da Corner is the impossible-to-categorise melting pot of styles that it's being made out to be - it strictly and stringently adheres to grime's template, and as such is a grime album, plain and simple. The best grime album, but a grime album nonetheless.

But whatever, if people think hip-hop and grime are (almost) the same thing, that's fine. I completely disagree, but that's neither here nor there. I'm choosing to abstain here because I don't think this is a fair comparison, at least not in the context of this particular tournament, but it's clear that other people have no such issue. Feel free to vote as you wish.

Re: CLOSED - 750: Round 1: K.R.I.T. v. Boy

meccalecca — Tue, 28 Oct 2014 14:41:12 GMT

Author: meccalecca

Posted: 10/28/2014 18:41

Skinny wrote:

But prog was, by definition, a progression (or, if you'd rather, a mutation) from rock music, using rock as its template whilst bringing in elements from elsewhere. Grime doesn't use hip-hop as its template; it uses UK garage and jungle. To say otherwise is incorrect and laughably America-centric. They share similarities, but are fundamentally different. Grime is not an arm of hip-hop.

I'll admit, it's not a great analogy, but to say that Dizzee's brand of grime isn't a combo of UK Garage and hip hop is just as ignorant as if I were to say that it's directly derived from hip hop. The album takes from multiple musical ideologies and blends them. Just as the Roots, Tribe and others throw in loads of Jazz, or how Kanye's latest two records are as much rock/electronic albums as they are hip hop.

I guess the question, is what are the boundaries of hip hop or any genre really, and what do we do with these records that aren't textbook examples.

It's not quite as ridiculous as watching people bicker over what's shoegaze vs dreampop, but eventually you have to wonder what's the point

Re: CLOSED - 750: Round 1: K.R.I.T. v. Boy

Skinny — Tue, 28 Oct 2014 14:28:37 GMT

Author: Skinny

Posted: 10/28/2014 18:28

meccalecca wrote:

That's what I meant. Personally disqualifying it.

I think it just depends on how restrictive you set your boundaries for hip hop. I totally get that it sounds nothing like EPMD, but at the same time a lot of ideas from Boy in da Corner derive from the same place.

To me it's like not voting for King Crimson's Red in a rock tourney because it's prog.

Re: CLOSED - 750: Round 1: K.R.I.T. v. Boy

Anonymous — Tue, 28 Oct 2014 14:02:59 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 10/28/2014 18:02

meccalecca wrote:

To me it's like not voting for King Crimson's Red in a rock tourney because it's prog.

...really? You think Red actually sits near the boundary of rock? I would understand questioning one of their jazzier releases, like Larks' Tongue, but not Red. Or are you saying that Boy in da Corner is unambiguously hip hop?

This analogy makes no sense to me.

Re: CLOSED - 750: Round 1: K.R.I.T. v. Boy

meccalecca — Tue, 28 Oct 2014 13:48:51 GMT

Author: meccalecca

Posted: 10/28/2014 17:48

Skinny wrote:

I'm not advocating disqualifying it;
I just won't be voting for it on the basis that it isn't hip-hop to my ears.

Re: CLOSED - 750: Round 1: K.R.I.T. v. Boy

Skinny — Tue, 28 Oct 2014 13:31:34 GMT

Author: Skinny

Posted: 10/28/2014 17:31

meccalecca wrote:

Not to echo what's already been said, but I think it's pointless to disqualify Boy in da Corner for not fitting 100% into hip hop. This has also been my problem with genres/sub genres. Some things just won't fit seamlessly anywhere. I do think it'd suck if a grime record ended up winning to tournament, but it won't happen anyway.

I'm not advocating disqualifying it; I even acknowledged that many people view grime and hip-hop as practically synonymous. I just won't be voting for it on the basis that it isn't hip-hop to my ears. In fact, I'd go almost as far as to say that Boy in da Corner winning this tournament would be akin to a 1975 album winning the 1974 tournament (though it's obviously not quite that black and white).

Re: CLOSED - 750: Round 1: K.R.I.T. v. Boy

meccalecca — Tue, 28 Oct 2014 13:24:41 GMT

Author: meccalecca

Posted: 10/28/2014 17:24

Skinny wrote:

Abstain. I prefer Boy in da Corner, but it's not hip-hop.