Best Ever Albums

Re: Fake accounts for higher ratings?

goeie-oko — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 17:54:51 GMT

Author: goeie-oko

Posted: 06/20/2015 21:54

albummaster wrote:

I'll double-check these to make sure, but got to give the benefit of the doubt if they are not clear cut... (looking at IP addresses, dates, rating patterns etc)

Yeah, I get that, I mean, you don't want to ban people without them deserving it. Anyway, thanks for responding and doing all this stuff.

Re: Fake accounts for higher ratings?

albummaster — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 14:24:01 GMT

Author: albummaster

Posted: 06/20/2015 18:24

goeie-oko wrote:

Hmmm, strange, since I thought for sure that like 90% of those were duplicates. Well, anyway, you have more info on the things than I do, so I shouldn't complain.

I'll double-check these to make sure, but got to give the benefit of the doubt if they are not clear cut... (looking at IP addresses, dates, rating patterns etc)

Re: Fake accounts for higher ratings?

goeie-oko — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 13:57:02 GMT

Author: goeie-oko

Posted: 06/20/2015 17:57

albummaster wrote:

goeie-oko wrote:

So, I did a lot of research, and it seems that this guy really likes Real Estate, Ducktails, and Wilco, plus the aforementioned Ween and Red House Painters.

I mean, some of these I could understand, but some are just so obscure and unknown. I did find it weird that all those albums were also in a greatest albums chart by a pretty active level 5 or 6 user, but I'm not going to name names since it could be coïncedence.

Here are all the ones I found, and there are a lot:

Vizion
Ready4Freddy
shrekd4lyfe
Metrophis
GenTraves
BlazeBanana
ToaZuka
Powerlifter
NFSRF
BigDickJimmy
RickySamsquanch
WolfInABox
hostack
Artemus441 (maybe)
jovak23 (maybe)

Thanks for this, I've just checked into all of these. Some of these accounts look legit, others don't (IP address checks etc). As a result, I've now banned an additional six accounts (includes some not listed above).

Hmmm, strange, since I thought for sure that like 90% of those were duplicates. Well, anyway, you have more info on the things than I do, so I shouldn't complain.

Re: Fake accounts for higher ratings?

albummaster — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 13:51:45 GMT

Author: albummaster

Posted: 06/20/2015 17:51

goeie-oko wrote:

Re: Fake accounts for higher ratings?

goeie-oko — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 13:36:46 GMT

Author: goeie-oko

Posted: 06/20/2015 17:36

permafrost wrote:

jhuik wrote:

I notice that the top 100 is all wonky right now, probably related to this issue.

Some albums showing up in the top 100 overall that have no business being there include:
2015 albums by Kendrick Lamar and SUfjan Stevens
Quebec - Ween
The Red House Painters album previously noted in this thread
several more

how do any of these have "no business being there?"

I think he means it's unusual that these albums are rated this highly, since they aren't very high on the charts.

Re: Fake accounts for higher ratings?

Anonymous — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 13:32:26 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 06/20/2015 17:32

jhuik wrote:

how do any of these have "no business being there?"

Re: Fake accounts for higher ratings?

goeie-oko — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 12:19:27 GMT

Author: goeie-oko

Posted: 06/20/2015 16:19

So, I did a lot of research, and it seems that this guy really likes Real Estate, Ducktails, and Wilco, plus the aforementioned Ween and Red House Painters.

I mean, some of these I could understand, but some are just so obscure and unknown. I did find it weird that all those albums were also in a greatest albums chart by a pretty active level 5 or 6 user, but I'm not going to name names since it could be coïncedence.

Here are all the ones I found, and there are a lot:

Vizion
Ready4Freddy
shrekd4lyfe
Metrophis
GenTraves
BlazeBanana
ToaZuka
Powerlifter
NFSRF
BigDickJimmy
RickySamsquanch
WolfInABox
hostack
Artemus441 (maybe)
jovak23 (maybe)
kojomojo67 (maybe)

Whoever this guy is, he's really passionnate about his music

also a tip to finding these double accounts, is to look at the track ratings, and not the album ratings, since he often won't rate the actual album itself, just the tracks.

EDIT: I added those last three accounts later, I don't know 100% i they're guilty, but they have all rated the same couple of albums, and they had the regular Ween and other stuff, as well as a lot of Sonic Youth, which is new.

Re: Fake accounts for higher ratings?

Anonymous — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 12:02:33 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 06/20/2015 16:02

jhuik wrote:

The 2015 albums are legitimately highly rated, I expect, they just have low overall rankings because of the rule about not counting 2015 albums when they're placed on greatest albums charts. Dunno what's going on with the others.

Re: Fake accounts for higher ratings?

jhuik — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 11:39:42 GMT

Author: jhuik

Posted: 06/20/2015 15:39

I notice that the top 100 is all wonky right now, probably related to this issue.

Some albums showing up in the top 100 overall that have no business being there include:
2015 albums by Kendrick Lamar and SUfjan Stevens
Quebec - Ween
The Red House Painters album previously noted in this thread
several more

Re: Fake accounts for higher ratings?

albummaster — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 04:35:42 GMT

Author: albummaster

Posted: 06/20/2015 08:35

goeie-oko wrote:

I took a look at some of the people rating the albums, and found they were all about level 1 or 2 and only rated the same couple albums and their songs 100/100. I mean, some of the people are just blatant copies, like 1 guy named toxxie and one guy named toxxo, that just can't be coincedence, right?
...

Is this just coincidence, or is there a very passionate fan manipulating the system of BEA?

Thanks for reporting and apologies for the delay in replying. This person had eight different accounts which have now all been banned. If anybody spots any more, please let me know. Gaming the site ruins it for everybody else, so people will be banned if they are caught trying to do this.

Re: Fake accounts for higher ratings?

goeie-oko — Sun, 14 Jun 2015 10:49:25 GMT

Author: goeie-oko

Posted: 06/14/2015 14:49

HazeyTwilight wrote:

I have seen this too. Although, I think you can excuse these selected albums for manipulation because they are all in the top 500 and therefore more people will have likely heard them:

Emergency and I - The Dismemberment Plan
Perfect From Now On - Built to Spill
Keep It Like A Secret - Built to Spill
You Forgot It In People - Broken Social Scene
Ladies And Gentlemen We Are Floating In Space - Spiritualized

But, with the other albums, I find it very strange that these albums get the special treatment.

well, the reason I added them was because the people who were rating the other albums were rating these too.

Re: Fake accounts for higher ratings?

HazeyTwilight — Sun, 14 Jun 2015 10:42:23 GMT

Author: HazeyTwilight

Posted: 06/14/2015 14:42

I have seen this too. Although, I think you can excuse these selected albums for manipulation because they are all in the top 500 and therefore more people will have likely heard them:

Emergency and I - The Dismemberment Plan
Perfect From Now On - Built to Spill
Keep It Like A Secret - Built to Spill
You Forgot It In People - Broken Social Scene
Ladies And Gentlemen We Are Floating In Space - Spiritualized

But, with the other albums, I find it very strange that these albums get the special treatment.

Fake accounts for higher ratings?

goeie-oko — Sun, 14 Jun 2015 10:35:00 GMT

Author: goeie-oko

Posted: 06/14/2015 14:35

Hey, I don't know if this is coincedence or anything, but am I the only one noticing that some track ratings on some albums are extremely high, like in a strange way, since the albums aren't that popular or anything?

I took a look at some of the people rating the albums, and found they were all about level 1 or 2 and only rated the same couple albums and their songs 100/100. I mean, some of the people are just blatant copies, like 1 guy named toxxie and one guy named toxxo, that just can't be coincedence, right?

The albums are:

Quebec - Ween
The Mollusk - Ween
Emergency and I - The Dismemberment Plan
Perfect From Now On - Built to Spill
Keep It Like A Secret - Built to Spill
You Forgot It In People - Broken Social Scene
Ladies And Gentlemen We Are Floating In Space - Spiritualized
More Than Any Other Day - Ought
Songs For A Blue Guitar - Red House Painters (this is especially obvious since the top 8 songs by them are from this, even though this is their 4th ranked album)

There are plenty more, but I think I've made my point.

Is this just coincidence, or is there a very passionate fan manipulating the system of BEA?