Best Ever Albums

Re: 100 Great Albums that BEA Forgot

jhuik — Sat, 12 Sep 2015 17:56:12 GMT

Author: jhuik

Posted: 09/12/2015 21:56

Ha! I just don't understand that. To me the whole point of this site is to list your favourite albums and fill out your list as soon as you can. When I was stuck at the 40-only and/or 50-only charts I did all I could to get to level 4,. To each his own, as they say.

Re: 100 Great Albums that BEA Forgot

Necharsian — Sat, 12 Sep 2015 16:24:30 GMT

Author: Necharsian

Posted: 09/12/2015 20:24

jhuik wrote:

No Im just saying that some people prefer smaller charts. Whenever I get around to completing my overall chart, I am likely sticking with a Top 50 rather than 100. No reason to bump the points lower if you ask me.

Re: 100 Great Albums that BEA Forgot

jhuik — Sat, 12 Sep 2015 11:58:48 GMT

Author: jhuik

Posted: 09/12/2015 15:58

Anyway, back on topic... I see this is a fruitful exercise and I see that I should actually split my chart up into several... There's a big difference in discussing established artists who are surprisingly absent vs. hipster and cool artists who don't rate.

Re: 100 Great Albums that BEA Forgot

Anonymous — Sat, 12 Sep 2015 11:15:28 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 09/12/2015 15:15

Well, if you had bothered reading the description of my chart, it's a work in progress. I really tire of seeing 100 albums thrown together without explanations of why, and in my case, it's doubly important to support my choices because everyone assumes that I'm being ~a contrarian~ or something for not having canon rock and pop on my chart as much as the next guy. Thus, I don't put a new album on there until I have a couple paragraphs written about it. The whole top 100 is roughly drafted up in a word doc, but I know that if I just throw it all on, I'll never gather the motivation to fill in the blanks with descriptions.

And I'm not saying it's "gaming the system" to have 30,000 mod points. That's obviously a huge amount of legwork that helps bolster the database. All I mean to say is that activity comes in different forms and that list of Top Overall Users averages it out decently, but if we're going to weigh activity for anything besides the little perks that come with levels, I think some people would be kind of irked to have their chart matter less despite being part of the active community on the forums when some guy is just completely shutting out the world and building up a huge database of stuff.

Re: 100 Great Albums that BEA Forgot

jhuik — Sat, 12 Sep 2015 10:30:15 GMT

Author: jhuik

Posted: 09/12/2015 14:30

permafrost wrote:

The problem is what is "activity?" There's a bunch of fucking ghosts who don't even have avatars or forum posts but have somehow garnered tens of thousands of points. I feel like if it made my chart weigh more on the overall ratings that I would spend a lot more time farming mod points than I do now.

I may be wrong but I would think that the Top Members list is not easy to game. You're #186 as of right now because of mod points. Incidentally, then (or not, considering the context of this discussion), why are you such an active member and you can't come up with more than 22 best ever albums? That always drives me batty when I see that.

Re: 100 Great Albums that BEA Forgot

Anonymous — Sat, 12 Sep 2015 09:42:44 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 09/12/2015 13:42

The problem is what is "activity?" There's a bunch of fucking ghosts who don't even have avatars or forum posts but have somehow garnered tens of thousands of points. I feel like if it made my chart weigh more on the overall ratings that I would spend a lot more time farming mod points than I do now.

Re: 100 Great Albums that BEA Forgot

jhuik — Sat, 12 Sep 2015 07:19:24 GMT

Author: jhuik

Posted: 09/12/2015 11:19

Necharsian wrote:

There are other reasons to have a chart <100 other than not caring though.

If you're suggesting that people game the site (or what are you suggesting?), an algorithmn change like the one I suggested above would be the fix needed. Of course I don't really know what I'm talking about, though.

Another idea is that user charts count for more based on user's activity on the site (I can't be the first to suggest this but...) An idea of how to do this would be to break the site down into, say, top 1000 users (legitimately reasonably active people), then everyone else's charts don't count toward the overall rankings as much.

Re: 100 Great Albums that BEA Forgot

badseed — Fri, 11 Sep 2015 01:51:53 GMT

Author: badseed

Posted: 09/11/2015 05:51

Nina Simone

I'm probably about to start pushing her up my year and decade charts. I need to re-do my top 100 primarily because she needs to be in it. One of those growers where I listened once just so I could put it on my charts, then I saw the documentary and now I'm enamored. Her highest album is currently #1429:

Pastel Blues by Nina Simone

But the more I listen, the more I realize she's one of the rare artists where you could pick a different favorite album every day of the week, possibly even for two weeks, and it wouldn't even seem that outlandish. What an amazing talent.

Re: 100 Great Albums that BEA Forgot

Necharsian — Fri, 11 Sep 2015 00:53:42 GMT

Author: Necharsian

Posted: 09/11/2015 04:53

jhuik wrote:

I thnk if someone has only 50 on their chart it should rank the same as the bottom 50 of a top 100 chart. If someone comes to the site and whips off a chart with only 41 picks because they don't care enough to fill it out, it should (at best) rank the same as the bottom 41 of a regular 100 album chart. Hope that's clear. Not sure it's worth albummaster's time.

There are other reasons to have a chart <100 other than not caring though.

Re: 100 Great Albums that BEA Forgot

Tap — Thu, 10 Sep 2015 21:38:54 GMT

Author: Tap

Posted: 09/11/2015 01:38

Yeah I do think that would minimize a sort of brigade effect that could happen innocently via a group of people with a shared affinity for a certain thing finding out about the site at the same time, but I also think that if people had an easier time unlocking chart capacity, there would be better user retention than what you see here.

Re: 100 Great Albums that BEA Forgot

jhuik — Thu, 10 Sep 2015 21:18:06 GMT

Author: jhuik

Posted: 09/11/2015 01:18

Applerill wrote:

secretdad wrote:

The album currently at 1000, Switchfoot - The Beautiful Letdown, gets 1596 points from the overall charts, but it is only on 3 decade charts where it only gets another 28 points. And then if you look at the overall charts that rank the Switchfoot album, many of them are 40-50 in size, suggesting that many of the people who are charting it never ranked up enough to allow access to the decade charts that would further raise the score.

When I joined the site in 2009, that album was on the top 300. I think even more than Mumford & Sons, that story explains everything wrong with the BEA ranking system.

Re: 100 Great Albums that BEA Forgot

jhuik — Thu, 10 Sep 2015 21:13:51 GMT

Author: jhuik

Posted: 09/11/2015 01:13

Romanelli wrote:

Here's mine. From my personal overall 1000 chart.

Outside The BEA Top 1000 by Romanelli

Some interesting picks. I focus on artists that are actually out of the top 1000. But still, Wallflowers and Jayhawks are a couple that fit the bill in your top 20.

Re: 100 Great Albums that BEA Forgot

Applerill — Thu, 10 Sep 2015 21:11:13 GMT

Author: Applerill

Posted: 09/11/2015 01:11

Romanelli wrote:

Applerill wrote:

secretdad wrote:

When I joined the site in 2009, that album was on the top 300. I think even more than Mumford & Sons, that story explains everything wrong with the BEA ranking system.

Or...everything that's RIGHT with the BEA ranking system. The more people here, the more charts, and a bad album drops 700 spots. I think it's more likely that a lot of those overall charts are older ones, and not a lot of people have ranked it highly recently.

You do have a point there, and there are plenty of albums I love that have benefited from the system (Jagged Little Pill and August and Everything After just a pair of them), but it's just hard for me to look at the BEA top 1000 and deny that nearly half of it lacks any major significance to the history of recorded music. That's why, as good as Jhuik's picks are, basing a chart on an album's presence outside the top 1000 seems redundant.

Re: 100 Great Albums that BEA Forgot

Romanelli — Thu, 10 Sep 2015 21:05:25 GMT

Author: Romanelli

Posted: 09/11/2015 01:05

Applerill wrote:

secretdad wrote:

When I joined the site in 2009, that album was on the top 300. I think even more than Mumford & Sons, that story explains everything wrong with the BEA ranking system.

Re: 100 Great Albums that BEA Forgot

Applerill — Thu, 10 Sep 2015 20:58:36 GMT

Author: Applerill

Posted: 09/11/2015 00:58

secretdad wrote:

When I joined the site in 2009, that album was on the top 300. I think even more than Mumford & Sons, that story explains everything wrong with the BEA ranking system.

Re: 100 Great Albums that BEA Forgot

Romanelli — Thu, 10 Sep 2015 20:50:45 GMT

Author: Romanelli

Posted: 09/11/2015 00:50

Here's mine. From my personal overall 1000 chart.

Outside The BEA Top 1000 by Romanelli

Re: 100 Great Albums that BEA Forgot

jhuik — Thu, 10 Sep 2015 20:18:07 GMT

Author: jhuik

Posted: 09/11/2015 00:18

DarkSideOfTheComputer wrote:

Great topic/list!

Teenage Head- Teenage Head

I'm most surprised about Misfits, walk among us is one of the best punk albums I've ever heard.

Added this for now. My chart has an even more definitely Canadian slant to it now. 🫢

Re: 100 Great Albums that BEA Forgot

latenighttv — Thu, 10 Sep 2015 18:00:48 GMT

Author: latenighttv

Posted: 09/10/2015 22:00

Found this site a few weeks ago and he's got a top 10 Swedish albums for every year of the 2010s... might expect artists like The Knife, First Aid Kit, Tallest Man On Earth to dominate but none of them are included at all. Nearly all of the albums are in English but only about five or six of the 50 are on here.

http://www.absolutnoise.com/2011/01/absolut-noise-best-of-2010.html
http://www.absolutnoise.com/2012/01/absolut-noise-best-of-2011.html
http://www.absolutnoise.com/2013/01/absolut-noise-best-of-2012.html
http://www.absolutnoise.com/2014/01/absolut-noise-best-of-2013.html
http://www.absolutnoise.com/2015/01/absolut-noise-best-of-2014.html

I also have some Irish year charts that have got a lot of personal favourites (2010, 2008 and 2012 are the years I'd recommend exploring especially).

Irish albums from 2008
Irish albums from 2010
Irish albums from 2012

Re: 100 Great Albums that BEA Forgot

Anonymous — Thu, 10 Sep 2015 11:14:32 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 09/10/2015 15:14

DarkSideOfTheComputer wrote:

I'm most surprised about Misfits, walk among us is one of the best punk albums I've ever heard.

Yeah, what the hell? That's baffling.

Re: 100 Great Albums that BEA Forgot

DarkSideOfTheComputer — Thu, 10 Sep 2015 10:35:49 GMT

Author: DarkSideOfTheComputer

Posted: 09/10/2015 14:35

Great topic/list!

Looking at my top 43 albums (haven't got round to rounding up to 50...) these are the albums that haven't made it into the top 1000:

Walk among us- Misfits
Crazysexycool- TLC
Dude ranch- Blink 182
Scooter- The Mice
She's so unusual- Cyndi Lauper
Reading, writing and arithmetic- The Sundays
Up all night- Razorlight
Teenage Head- Teenage Head
The Undertones- The Undertones
Nobody's heroes- Stiff little fingers

I'm most surprised about Misfits, walk among us is one of the best punk albums I've ever heard.