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Re: What r the 10 "most important" College Rock albums

philbutrin — Tue, 29 Sep 2015 12:52:09 GMT

Author: philbutrin

Posted: 09/29/2015 16:52

LittleM1971 wrote:

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Hunkpapa by Throwing Muses

Gowi wrote:

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Throwing Muses (1986) by Throwing Muses

i'm happy to see these get thrown into the mix 😄 although Hunkpapa got more listening when i was in college/grad school, i'd probably pick the debut for the top 10.

Re: What r the 10 "most important" College Rock albums

Norman Bates — Tue, 29 Sep 2015 12:39:18 GMT

Author: Norman Bates

Posted: 09/29/2015 16:39

Excuse me, what do you call 'college rock'?

Re: What r the 10 "most important" College Rock albums

Anonymous — Tue, 29 Sep 2015 11:50:44 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 09/29/2015 15:50

LittleM1971 wrote:

I've never viewed the Stone Roses as proto Brit-pop to be honest. They along with Happy Monday's were born more from the Acid House explosion of the late 80's 'Indie Dance' was the term I believe before the term 'baggy' was used. The crop of British bands of the 90's looked towards the likes of Wire, XTC, The Jam, Madness, Buzzcocks, Small Faces and Kinks for their inspiration. The Stone Roses were seen as quite uncool by 1993.

Also don't think 'counterpart' is the right word to describe Britpop in relation to grunge as it came about as a reaction to the fag end of grunge, a reclaiming of British identity in music. I think proto Britpop would without doubt be The Manic Street Preachers with the New Art Riot EP (1990), Suede (1992), The Auteurs first single (1992) and possibly Adorable (1992).

The first real sign of the reaction to American Rock was without doubt Blur's call to arms 'Modern Life is Rubbish'. From here we then get the first small scene 'New Wave of New Wave' (Smash, These Animal Men even Sarah indie poppers Action Painting! were all punk posturing on their single Mustard Gas).

From there it exploded with Oasis, Supergrass, Elastica, Parklife etc

Regards to the term College Rock, I have always been under the impression that it was what you guys called Indie. Here in the UK the term indie was too broad and got in a right sticky situation when Kyle Minogue, Rick Astley were constantly top of the indie chart. College Rock is a far better term to describe all the bands listed in this thread.

I knew about the britpop/grunge "rivalry," if that's a better term for it. I considered using the term "British reaction to" but that felt like it was centering grunge too much. Perhaps that was more accurate, going by what you're saying. At any rate, that bit about the Stone Roses at the top is a perspective that I haven't really gotten from I guess potentially revisionist histories/genre classifications on the subject, and the Kylie Minogue and Rick Astley bit is something funny I hadn't ever heard. Thanks for helping me understand all that.

Re: What r the 10 "most important" College Rock albums

meccalecca — Tue, 29 Sep 2015 11:25:07 GMT

Author: meccalecca

Posted: 09/29/2015 15:25

permafrost wrote:

Yeah, the only reason I asked for clarification was that I've always been given the impression that it was a specifically American phenomenon since all the British post-punk stuff sounded really different. But thanks for the explanations. Also, I'm frustrated with myself for not thinking of TMBG.

I personally equate it more with American stuff, but I think there's definitely outside bands that crossed over.

The whole college rock era also aligns really well with the birth of CMJ (College Music Journal). Anyone who's ever worked at a college radio station would be familiar with it. CMJ started in 78, but didn't really get going until the early 80s. The basis of CMJ was/is collecting the chart data of all of the college radio stations around the country.

And the CMJ Music Marathon was launched in 1981 as a platform for college radio djs and journalists to discover up and coming bands in the days before the internet changed that significantly.

Re: What r the 10 "most important" College Rock albums

Anonymous — Tue, 29 Sep 2015 11:15:36 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 09/29/2015 15:15

Yeah, the only reason I asked for clarification was that I've always been given the impression that it was a specifically American phenomenon since all the British post-punk stuff sounded really different. But thanks for the explanations. Also, I'm frustrated with myself for not thinking of TMBG.

Re: What r the 10 "most important" College Rock albums

meccalecca — Tue, 29 Sep 2015 11:13:07 GMT

Author: meccalecca

Posted: 09/29/2015 15:13

RepoMan wrote:

Exactly. You could say that college rock began with REM's Murmur and ended with Nevermind. It was mostly music from the UK and US with some interesting imports from New Zealand aka Kiwi rock.

Yup. pretty much the counter to the era's heavy emphasis on hair metal.

Nevermind's ridiculous success was pretty much what took College Rock into the mainstream and began the shift to calling it alternative and then eventually indie from what I recall.

They Might Be Giants were another one of those prototypical college rock bands in their early days

Re: What r the 10 "most important" College Rock albums

LittleM1971 — Tue, 29 Sep 2015 04:15:32 GMT

Author: LittleM1971

Posted: 09/29/2015 08:15

permafrost wrote:

What are we saying is college rock? Seems like most everyone's on the same page, though I'd call The Stone Roses britpop and I'm not sure if what Public Enemy did can really be tied to what Nevermind did. Just looking for clarification here.

If The Stone Roses count they should be there since they're arguably an early influence on britpop which would be the British counterpart to the grunge thing happening stateside, and then you can also swap in the Smiths, Cure, and Cocteau Twins for good measure, maybe rounding out the five with (gulp) U2's early, edgier stuff, but I wanted to stick to the stateside incubation of the alternative rock sound that would foster Nirvana.

Re: What r the 10 "most important" College Rock albums

FlorianJones — Mon, 28 Sep 2015 22:55:20 GMT

Author: FlorianJones

Posted: 09/29/2015 02:55

permafrost wrote:

I'm also partial to including Violent Femmes.

Violent Femmes seems like an obvious pick to me, I'm surprised Permafrost is the only one to mention them.

Other ones I'd include are...
The Smiths - Pretty much any of their first three seem like reasonable choices but I'll go with TQID
The Cure - Disintegration is my favorite, but Head on the Door or Pornography seem like better college rock choices
Sonic Youth - Daydream Nation. I'm not a big fan, but the initial post says most influential, so I can't sensibly leave it out.
Pixies - Doolittle. Same deal as Daydream Nation.
The Stone Roses - The Stone Roses. I think they count, I see them more as the forerunners to Britpop than actual Britpop, a Proto-Britpop if you will.
New Order - Power Corruption and Lies
Depeche Mode - Black Celebration or Violator
Minutemen - Double Nickels on The Dime
Talk Talk - Spirit Of Eden. This may be a little bit of a stretch but if we say college rock is just alternative artists from a certain time period, I don't see why it should be left out

I chose what I see as the most influential college rock in general rather than most influential on Nirvana. I'm not sure which one we're supposed to be doing, or if that's up to us.

Re: What r the 10 "most important" College Rock albums

Anonymous — Mon, 28 Sep 2015 22:24:34 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 09/29/2015 02:24

permafrost wrote:

What are we saying is college rock? Seems like most everyone's on the same page, though I'd call The Stone Roses britpop and I'm not sure if what Public Enemy did can really be tied to what Nevermind did. Just looking for clarification here.

My list would have lots of overlap with others', but I'd probably add Beat Happening. If we're talking specifically about Nevermind, this becomes even more relevant given Kurt's affection for twee pop. I'm also partial to including Fugazi, Minutemen, and Violent Femmes. All said and done, my ten would probably include Beat Happening, Fugazi, Minutemen, Violent Femmes, Hüsker Dü, The Replacements, Sonic Youth, R.E.M., Pixies, fIREHOSE.

If The Stone Roses count they should be there since they're arguably an early influence on britpop which would be the British counterpart to the grunge thing happening stateside, and then you can also swap in the Smiths, Cure, and Cocteau Twins for good measure, maybe rounding out the five with (gulp) U2's early, edgier stuff, but I wanted to stick to the stateside incubation of the alternative rock sound that would foster Nirvana.

these are all stellar picks, Satie! 😁

Re: What r the 10 "most important" College Rock albums

Anonymous — Mon, 28 Sep 2015 22:09:55 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 09/29/2015 02:09

Gowi wrote:

College Rock is nothing more than a buzzword for alternative & indie artists of a certain time and place.

Exactly. You could say that college rock began with REM's Murmur and ended with Nevermind. It was mostly music from the UK and US with some interesting imports from New Zealand aka Kiwi rock.

Re: What r the 10 "most important" College Rock albums

mickilennial — Mon, 28 Sep 2015 22:05:01 GMT

Author: mickilennial

Posted: 09/29/2015 02:05

College Rock is nothing more than a buzzword for alternative & indie artists of a certain time and place.

Re: What r the 10 "most important" College Rock albums

PsychologistHD — Mon, 28 Sep 2015 21:41:02 GMT

Author: PsychologistHD

Posted: 09/29/2015 01:41

permafrost wrote:

What are we saying is college rock?

It's either a genre or a movement, I'm still not clear.

I have a very loose grasp of it, clearly.

Re: What r the 10 "most important" College Rock albums

Anonymous — Mon, 28 Sep 2015 20:17:46 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 09/29/2015 00:17

What are we saying is college rock? Seems like most everyone's on the same page, though I'd call The Stone Roses britpop and I'm not sure if what Public Enemy did can really be tied to what Nevermind did. Just looking for clarification here.

My list would have lots of overlap with others', but I'd probably add Beat Happening. If we're talking specifically about Nevermind, this becomes even more relevant given Kurt's affection for twee pop. I'm also partial to including Fugazi, Minutemen, and Violent Femmes. All said and done, my ten would probably include Beat Happening, Fugazi, Minutemen, Violent Femmes, Hüsker Dü, The Replacements, Sonic Youth, R.E.M., Pixies, fIREHOSE.

If The Stone Roses count they should be there since they're arguably an early influence on britpop which would be the British counterpart to the grunge thing happening stateside, and then you can also swap in the Smiths, Cure, and Cocteau Twins for good measure, maybe rounding out the five with (gulp) U2's early, edgier stuff, but I wanted to stick to the stateside incubation of the alternative rock sound that would foster Nirvana.

Re: What r the 10 "most important" College Rock albums

mickilennial — Mon, 28 Sep 2015 19:08:47 GMT

Author: mickilennial

Posted: 09/28/2015 23:08

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Daydream Nation by Sonic Youth

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Doolittle by Pixies

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Zen Arcade by Hüsker Dü

Let It Be by The Replacements

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You're Living All Over Me by Dinosaur Jr.

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Document by R.E.M.

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Throwing Muses (1986) by Throwing Muses

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The Very Best Of The Stone Roses by The Stone Roses

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Ragin', Full-On by fIREHOSE

Night Time by Killing Joke

Re: What r the 10 "most important" College Rock albums

LittleM1971 — Mon, 28 Sep 2015 18:56:12 GMT

Author: LittleM1971

Posted: 09/28/2015 22:56

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Today by Galaxie 500

Hunkpapa by Throwing Muses

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Ocean Rain by Echo & The Bunnymen

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Superfuzz Bigmuff by Mudhoney

Re: What r the 10 "most important" College Rock al

Anonymous — Mon, 28 Sep 2015 18:43:51 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 09/28/2015 22:43

meccalecca wrote:

RepoMan wrote:

OMG. First, Psychocandy and now THIS... JFC. Which begs one question.

You have a pretty good excuse, plus those 10 you named are pretty perfect

Haha! Thanks! Daydream Nation still really needs to b in there though. LOL.

Re: What r the 10 "most important" College Rock albums

Anonymous — Mon, 28 Sep 2015 18:41:50 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 09/28/2015 22:41

Camper is more second tier even though I love them. Daydream Nation, however, NEEDS to be in the top 10 otherwise the list is a laughable sham like mine. 🙁

Re: What r the 10 "most important" College Rock al

meccalecca — Mon, 28 Sep 2015 18:41:42 GMT

Author: meccalecca

Posted: 09/28/2015 22:41

RepoMan wrote:

OMG. First, Psychocandy and now THIS... JFC. Which begs one question.

You have a pretty good excuse, plus those 10 you named are pretty perfect

Re: What r the 10 "most important" College Rock al

Anonymous — Mon, 28 Sep 2015 18:39:13 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 09/28/2015 22:39

meccalecca wrote:

RepoMan wrote:

...that led up to Nevermind opening the flood gates.

Please (for the love of GOD) let's just have fun with this!!! 🤣

Here's mine...

1. R.E.M. - Murmur
2. The Smiths - The Smiths
3. Pixies - Doolittle
4. The Cure - Head On The Door
5. Public Enemy - It Takes A Nation of Millions
6. The Replacements - Let It Be
7. Husker Du - Zen Arcade
8. Jane's Addiction - Nothings Shocking
9. Dinosaur Jr - Living All Over Me
10. Cocteau Twins - Treasure

Impossible question to answer but I would imagine these should be in the discussion:

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Daydream Nation by Sonic Youth

OMG. First, Psychocandy and now THIS... JFC. Which begs one question.

Link

Re: What r the 10 "most important" College Rock albums

meccalecca — Mon, 28 Sep 2015 18:37:10 GMT

Author: meccalecca

Posted: 09/28/2015 22:37

shaydndepriest wrote:

nevermind sucks and all of your opinions are inferior to mine*

All great albums, but those late 70s picks may not exactly fit since the college rock era was pretty much the mid-late 80s, not that those didn't influence all that stuff and get plays.