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Re: Future Classics?

Skinny — Fri, 9 Oct 2015 10:49:42 GMT

Author: Skinny

Posted: 10/09/2015 14:49

Precedent wrote:

This is only for Neil to answer

How do you think Drake, Future, and Lil Wayne will end up fairing with any of their projects ending up in the realm of classics?

Dunno, everything ends up being a classic to somebody. I think Take Care will hold up very well, and largely be looked back upon as a great record. Future, despite his current commercial success, still feels like a far more niche artist, and it's difficult to say how highly regarded his stuff will be - I don't think his earlier albums will hold up particularly well, and the hazy trap sound of DS2 could end up being thought of as 'faddy', in the same way crunk was, although I'd like to think that it will retain a cult classic status in the same way that early Three 6 Mafia has done, even though it is clearly a very different prospect given DS2's massive, nationwide (in America) commercial success. Lil Wayne is already seen as less divisive than he was - at his peak, he was either the greatest rapper alive or all four horsemen of the hip-hop apocalypse rolled into one, whereas now he seems to be widely regarded as a very prolific, pretty odd, extremely talented rapper who (for a brief time) was the most exciting hip-hop artist in the world. I think his strongest retail release (not to mention probably his biggest, and therefore the one with the most chance of being regarded as a classic in the future), Tha Carter III, is fantastic, but I would also find it difficult to dismiss the criticism of it as uneven and unfocused, if not guilty of overly pandering to a mainstream audience ('Lollipop', anyone?), but I could see it being thought of in the same way as the better Jay-Z albums in between Reasonable Doubt and The Blueprint are, i.e. a very good album with some extremely memorable moments whose ambition probably outstrips its overall content.

Will the three be looked back upon as classic rappers? I'd wager yes. Will they all have releases that are widely regarded as classics? Probably not, but I'd say Take Care has the best chance. Difficult to say, of course, but those are my opinions on the matter.

Re: Future Classics?

Anonymous — Fri, 9 Oct 2015 10:33:16 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 10/09/2015 14:33

This is only for Neil to answer

How do you think Drake, Future, and Lil Wayne will end up fairing with any of their projects ending up in the realm of classics?

Re: Future Classics?

Skinny — Fri, 9 Oct 2015 09:19:42 GMT

Author: Skinny

Posted: 10/09/2015 13:19

AAL2014 wrote:

So here's a question. Let's say Kendrick (lord forbid) goes out Hendrix style anytime soon and we only have his current catalog to survey. What then?

His current catalogue would come to be held in similar esteem, I would think.

Re: Future Classics?

AAL2014 — Thu, 8 Oct 2015 22:41:37 GMT

Author: AAL2014

Posted: 10/09/2015 02:41

Agree on Taylor Swift. Not a fan, nor have I ever been. Although I do like Blank Space a lot. But she has skyrocketed. Like it's crazy because she's always been a very popular performer, but she is selling out football stadiums every night.

On the topic of Kendrick Lamar. I love his music. I think TPAB is one of the finest and most ambitious albums ever. But I agree we have to hear a bit more work before he reaches a potential classic status himself.

So here's a question. Let's say Kendrick (lord forbid) goes out Hendrix style anytime soon and we only have his current catalog to survey. What then?

Re: Future Classics?

Anonymous — Thu, 8 Oct 2015 22:03:28 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 10/09/2015 02:03

jhuik wrote:

Kendrick and maybe even Katy.

i don't think Kendrick has made enough to be on this level yet, but he's obviously the latest contender for the title. i'm curious about Katy being chosen at all, but i would also counter that if a mainstream pop presence is going to make it, it'll likely be Taylor Swift, just because of her status as a songwriter, which critical communities tend to prefer, and her resulting less synthetic image, something a lot of "mainstream" listeners embrace.

Re: Future Classics?

jhuik — Thu, 8 Oct 2015 20:39:12 GMT

Author: jhuik

Posted: 10/09/2015 00:39

You guys know how to stay on topic, pause, naht. Future classics... There won't be radio in the future, there will only be personal opinion which will be increasingly fragmented. Actually, scratch that, we don't know what the future will be like. But we do know there will be no such thing as classic. Except Beethoven. And the Beatles. And Kanye, Kendrick and maybe even Katy.

Re: Future Classics?

alelsupreme — Thu, 8 Oct 2015 15:17:22 GMT

Author: alelsupreme

Posted: 10/08/2015 19:17

I'm okay with iris becoming the next "Don't Stop Believing", it's an absolute tune.

Re: Future Classics?

GinSoldier — Thu, 8 Oct 2015 15:01:09 GMT

Author: GinSoldier

Posted: 10/08/2015 19:01

The classics are the ones that stick with you, bro. You think anybody here can really read the tea leaves of "mainstream culture" and tell you what the mags will be gushing about in 30 years? It's for shit anyway.

Re: Future Classics?

Anonymous — Wed, 7 Oct 2015 09:08:06 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 10/07/2015 13:08

For artists that I think will get bigger, Sicko Mobb comes to mind

Could definitely see "Remember Me" becoming an essential track

Re: Future Classics?

Anonymous — Wed, 7 Oct 2015 09:01:27 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 10/07/2015 13:01

Rip the dream

Re: Future Classics?

Anonymous — Tue, 6 Oct 2015 22:09:55 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 10/07/2015 02:09

please refrain from the impulse to call me "tylerbae" in the future

Re: Future Classics?

Anonymous — Tue, 6 Oct 2015 21:55:59 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 10/07/2015 01:55

drizzy will live on, forget the fork

still don't see how he will fry anytime soon

but then again i'm basically the biggest Drake stan there is

edit: to tylerbae: does pitchfork really matter when it comes to mainstream artists? esp. if it is just one writer?

Re: Future Classics?

Applerill — Tue, 6 Oct 2015 21:42:45 GMT

Author: Applerill

Posted: 10/07/2015 01:42

SquishypuffDave wrote:

People seem to be neglecting the fact that in the future our aquatic underlords will be dictating the new musical canon, and I have it on good authority that they are big fans of chillwave.

I've agreed since Day 1 that

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Goodbye Lullaby by Avril Lavigne is a sea-punk Blood on the Tracks. That's gotta be accepted into he canon, right?

Re: Future Classics?

SquishypuffDave — Tue, 6 Oct 2015 21:38:11 GMT

Author: SquishypuffDave

Posted: 10/07/2015 01:38

People seem to be neglecting the fact that in the future our aquatic underlords will be dictating the new musical canon, and I have it on good authority that they are big fans of chillwave.

Re: Future Classics?

AAL2014 — Tue, 6 Oct 2015 21:28:33 GMT

Author: AAL2014

Posted: 10/07/2015 01:28

Tap wrote:

What constitutes failing the test of time though? People really love remembering things, I'm not sure if it's possible to fail the test once something has reached a certain level of popularity.

Agreed in full, my paragraph on Drake wasn't necessarily about him standing the test of time, I can see some of his material achieving that, but rather him reaching legend status or anywhere near it.

Re: Future Classics?

Tap — Tue, 6 Oct 2015 21:26:35 GMT

Author: Tap

Posted: 10/07/2015 01:26

What constitutes failing the test of time though? People really love remembering things, I'm not sure if it's possible to fail the test once something has reached a certain level of popularity.

Re: Future Classics?

Anonymous — Tue, 6 Oct 2015 21:20:35 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 10/07/2015 01:20

AAL2014 wrote:

I don't think [Drake] will be remembered as one of the greats like the world is making him seem.

especially not with Meaghan Garvey's key critical voice breaking up with him. it's only a matter of time before he fries.

Re: Future Classics?

AAL2014 — Tue, 6 Oct 2015 21:17:55 GMT

Author: AAL2014

Posted: 10/07/2015 01:17

You know, I just don't get all the hype for Drake. People talk about him like he is incredible and I just don't see it. I know there are a lot of fans of his in the forums but I must be missing something. I don't think he will be remembered as one of the greats like the world is making him seem.

And to be clear I don't even hate all of his music. My friends have shown some good tracks of his, but nothing that really stuck out to me like others.

Re: Future Classics?

Anonymous — Tue, 6 Oct 2015 20:48:13 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 10/07/2015 00:48

HoldenM wrote:

To steer the conversation another way–which records, artists, or songs are we overestimating? Which presently beloved entities will likely fail to stand the test of time?

Satie wrote:

For rock music, I genuinely don't see a single rock artist working today as standing the test of time. I think that as we get farther and farther away in time from Swans's latest material, more and more people will do what Scaruffi's doing and realize that it's ultimately bland, lifeless, and overdone material that doesn't really compare to their back catalog too well. I think that a general fondness for nostalgia in rock music, epitomized by groups like Tame Impala and Vampire Weekend, is going to doom this era to irrelevance in serious historical retrospectives of the genre. But the eighties somehow yielded a lot of great rock music that no one was hearing anywhere, so maybe I'm over-estimating the purview of the Internet to expose me to the stuff that might be dug up to match the Husker Dus and Butthole Surfers that happened in that venerable wasteland of decent rock music.

I would add that I think (hope?) Death Grips, Deafheaven, and Disclosure will all fail to stand the test of time, mainly based on the fact that I think they scratch a fashion itch to have #diverse #eclectic taste for people who don't spend much time on their respective genres and influences. Hell, we're already seeing the slow slide into critical backlash happening for that last one, and none of the three are taken very seriously by serious audiences for their respective styles of music at the moment, let alone in the future when those people's palettes are going to need to be satiated for them to maintain their place in history.

Re: Future Classics?

HoldenM — Tue, 6 Oct 2015 20:37:13 GMT

Author: HoldenM

Posted: 10/07/2015 00:37

To steer the conversation another way–which records, artists, or songs are we overestimating? Which presently beloved entities will likely fail to stand the test of time?