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Re: Best Ever Movies (2015 Edition)

benpaco — Tue, 1 Mar 2016 19:36:13 GMT

Author: benpaco

Posted: 03/02/2016 00:36

CryingGameDahlin wrote:

ANYHOOOOZZZZZ, yes bad movies can be fun but again if a poll for it basically is just an excuse to smirk and mock or a way to prove yourself as a contrarian special-snowflake, then it will probably do more bad than good. Then again it is subjective, and there are probably movies that top all the "best of" polls that some people think are terrible, and universally-renown "bad" movies that people actually find value in, so all in all a "bad" movies poll just seems like both an impossible standard and really pointless.

Honestly the more I've thought about this I think you're right on it, though I'm glad I'm not alone in enjoying the occasional bad movie at the least.

Also the problem with IMDB (and BEA and every other thing like it) is that it gets more credibility than it possibly should. In the end it's just a lot of people's personal opinions getting averaged out and encouraging hivemind sorts of praise/elitism/etc. Much like I've never met anyone whose taste was exactly the same as mine, because no one's will be exactly the same as mine, no ranking system like this will accurately show me stuff.

I will say for IMDB that the "recommended films" has been an OK resource. 50% is just sequels to movies I've seen/stuff by the same directors, but the other half has pointed me in the direction of some cool stuff, some of which I've enjoyed and a couple of which I haven't.

IAlso anyone who thinks that Mrs Doubtfire and Octocat Adventures both aren't worth watching can fight me.

Re: Best Ever Movies (2015 Edition)

Applerill — Tue, 1 Mar 2016 19:11:27 GMT

Author: Applerill

Posted: 03/02/2016 00:11

The following event took place between Film Crit Hulk and Quentin Tarantino following a Kill Bill screening in 2004.

HULK: "UGH."

QT: "What?

HULK: "HULK HATED THAT MOVIE."

QT: "Never hate a movie."

HULK: "HUH?"

QT: "Never, under any circumstances, hate a movie. It won't help you and it's a waste of time."

HULK: [STARTING TO EXPLAIN REASONS WHY HULK HATE MOVIE].

QT: "You're not getting me. There's plenty of reasons to not to like a movie. But if you hate them? Meaning if let them bother you? Then they'll do nothing but bother you. Who wants to be bothered? There's so many better things to do with movies. It's like my fucking Top Gun rant, okay? (3) Bad things can be so much more interesting than just bad.

HULK: BUT WHAT ABOUT LIKE THE FREAKIN' BOMBS, CAUSE-

QT: Even the bombs, man, heck, especially the bombs man. And I mean if you want to do this for a fucking living and you're absolutely serious, then never hate a movie. You can learn so much about the craft from bad movies. I man you can't like fucking look at Kurosawa and be all [PUTS ON VOICE THAT THAT SOUNDS ODDLY LIKE PETER GRAVES FOR SOME REASON] "Oooh just do what Kurosawa did. You know, it's easy!" Fuck no! Bad movies teach you what not to do and what to correct in your process and that's way more helpful. You know how many feet of film I burned on this thing [MEANING KILL BILL] when I was trying to be like something else that was great? Like fucking Pole Fighter, like what you said? No, all the best stuff came out of me just trying to avoid mistakes."

HULK: "WELL HULK-

QT: "And fuck man, hating movies closes you off to stuff that seems like whatever you hate. Or stuff by the same guy. And who knows? That other stuff could be awesome. Some of my favorite filmmakers made bad movies. It won't help you. It just won't. It stops your development right in its tracks, okay? I mean like everything and I ain't trying to get you to be like fucking me or anything. I'm just saying I think it's better for you. And it makes me way, way happier. Never hate a movie. They're gifts. Every fucking one of em."

Source: http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2011/11/03/film-crit-hulk-smash-never-hate-a-movie

I'll admit that I (very, very, very) often fail at this, but the conversation at least adds weight to an important fact: You can't be a successful cinephile if you insist on watching only good movies.

Re: Best Ever Movies (2015 Edition)

cestuneblague — Tue, 1 Mar 2016 19:05:17 GMT

Author: cestuneblague

Posted: 03/02/2016 00:05

Im not saying dismissive elitism isn't a two-way street, but taking the my-shit-stinks-less road isn't really going to help you come off as any more open and congenial. No one's going to be willing to try and see your side of things when they're being dismissed as lower life-forms, and that's true for both the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen and Citizen Kane fans.

ANYHOOOOZZZZZ, yes bad movies can be fun but again if a poll for it basically is just an excuse to smirk and mock or a way to prove yourself as a contrarian special-snowflake, then it will probably do more bad than good. Then again it is subjective, and there are probably movies that top all the "best of" polls that some people think are terrible, and universally-renown "bad" movies that people actually find value in, so all in all a "bad" movies poll just seems like both an impossible standard and really pointless.

Re: Best Ever Movies (2015 Edition)

badseed — Tue, 1 Mar 2016 18:51:23 GMT

Author: badseed

Posted: 03/01/2016 23:51

CryingGameDahlin wrote:

badseed wrote:

Sometimes I think some of you are smartasses to the point it does you no good. I wonder who here's actually been laid before...

Yes IMDb. Not saying everything above a 7.0 is good and worth watching, but how many movies below a 7.0 are? Not many, and once you get below a 6.0 you can be certain it will suck in almost every regard. At least based on my experience. But I'm no Satie so don't take everything I say as the truth.

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See, Im fine with whatever IMDB-rating cutoff or other preferences you may have when it comes to selecting movies, that's fine everybody has their own thing, but when you act like the kid who just started junior high and discovered his first "arthouse" movie in the school library and now all of a sudden everybody else is just a regular plebian who's not worthy to discuss any sort of artistic medium you enjoy, that makes it hard to feel like we're ever going to have a level discussion here. Plenty of "smart" people can just look at movies differently, and just because they may not happen to enjoy a film like "Under the Skin" (one that is personally an all-time favorite, by the way) is not that they're a "regular person" not worthy of it's brilliance or incapable of understanding it, but just may not get something out of it that others have.

Given even though it doesn't seem like it Im not trying to create a blanket judgement based on a few posts here, but these whiffs of elevated-air condesciion aren't really going to help if you're trying to have a geniune discussion about movies, or really just about anything at all here. At behest though, I think going off the first line of your post and the crap I just wrote we're all just the pot calling the kettle beige...

I apologize, I thought my post clearly stated that the people of my hometown that I know personally don't know shit about movies. If I didn't think the BEA users were on a level to discuss movies with I wouldn't be discussing movies with them. So unless you're defending the citizens of Redneckville, Florida's shitty taste because they have the right to think black and white films are boring, foreign films are stupid and The Hangover is the greatest piece of art of this century I don't see what you're getting at. Am I being elitist, well, yes. I think it's shallow as fuck that someone wouldn't give Citizen Kane the time of day but looks forward to every upcoming Adam Sandler release.

And for the record, there are no art house films in any high school within 100 miles of here. If it weren't for me making use of the internet by discovering sites like IMDb or BEA my taste would be just as shitty as everyone else.

Re: Best Ever Movies (2015 Edition)

cestuneblague — Tue, 1 Mar 2016 18:27:52 GMT

Author: cestuneblague

Posted: 03/01/2016 23:27

badseed wrote:

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Re: Best Ever Movies (2015 Edition)

Muslim-Bigfoot — Tue, 1 Mar 2016 18:05:08 GMT

Author: Muslim-Bigfoot

Posted: 03/01/2016 23:05

badseed wrote:

Sometimes I think some of you are smartasses to the point it does you no good. I wonder who here's actually been laid before...

Wow everyone's in on the secret.

Re: Best Ever Movies (2015 Edition)

badseed — Tue, 1 Mar 2016 18:03:03 GMT

Author: badseed

Posted: 03/01/2016 23:03

Sometimes I think some of you are smartasses to the point it does you no good. I wonder who here's actually been laid before...

Yes IMDb. Not saying everything above a 7.0 is good and worth watching, but how many movies below a 7.0 are? Not many, and once you get below a 6.0 you can be certain it will suck in almost every regard. At least based on my experience. But I'm no Satie so don't take everything I say as the truth.

Re: Best Ever Movies (2015 Edition)

Anonymous — Tue, 1 Mar 2016 16:12:43 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 03/01/2016 21:12

Satie wrote:

ok, but if someone's done this the hundreds of times that you would need to to coherently build a list of the Top 100 worst films you've ever seen by the age of like 18-20, their life has been super bleak, tbh.

I mean I could make a top 6 probably

Re: Best Ever Movies (2015 Edition)

Anonymous — Tue, 1 Mar 2016 16:10:36 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 03/01/2016 21:10

dividesbyzero wrote:

there's something to be said about getting high and riffing over hilariously shit movies with your friends I'll just say that

Re: Best Ever Movies (2015 Edition)

Anonymous — Tue, 1 Mar 2016 16:08:11 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 03/01/2016 21:08

there's something to be said about getting high and riffing over hilariously shit movies with your friends I'll just say that

Re: Best Ever Movies (2015 Edition)

benpaco — Tue, 1 Mar 2016 16:05:16 GMT

Author: benpaco

Posted: 03/01/2016 21:05

Satie wrote:

Why do people intentionally seek out bad art when there's so much good art in the world yet to be discovered? Why would you spend 90 minutes masturbating about how above Idiocracy you are when you could spend 90 minutes with one of the literally thousands of wonderful films that exist in the world? I feel like it's really stupid to say that you learn about good movies by watching bad ones unless you're one of the incredibly few if any people on this board who has a working knowledge of all the great directors and eras of cinema as well as a solid grasp on contemporary world cinema. I have such a hard time finding time for movies, and I would completely loathe myself if I had missed a Marienbad or a Red Desert because I wanted to make sure that a direct-to-VHS Jim Belushi film was really as bad as I anticipated it being.

In the end I guess I'm talking less about "lel Paul Blart" and more about "you know Zaat is bad but something I still enjoyed watching and makes me appreciate horror films I did enjoy more because I can see how they did X Y and Z where Zaat failed" or "Getting That Girl is a (potentially intentionally) horrendous romantic comedy that makes me appreciate things like Perks of Being a Wallflower more because of how realistically it presents situations in comparison."

I know I still appreciate the movies I like without looking at the bad stuff, but I still personally get some enjoyment out of watching bad movies and in the end that's why I consume art. I'm not going to be a film expert or critic - honestly I don't have the patience for it - so my reason for watching movies really is just 100% for fun and I still get something out of a bad movie both in the appreciation I have for movies that handled it better and for the experience of watching the movie itself. I would be equally as chuffed to find a Plan Nine From Outer Space as I would a 7 or 8/10 movie.

Re: Best Ever Movies (2015 Edition)

Anonymous — Tue, 1 Mar 2016 16:02:57 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 03/01/2016 21:02

Muslim-Bigfoot wrote:

IMDB? Really?

You know, where the extremely cultivated and highbrow go for film information on things regular people wouldn't understand.

Re: Best Ever Movies (2015 Edition)

Muslim-Bigfoot — Tue, 1 Mar 2016 16:01:02 GMT

Author: Muslim-Bigfoot

Posted: 03/01/2016 21:01

IMDB? Really?

Re: Best Ever Movies (2015 Edition)

Applerill — Tue, 1 Mar 2016 15:56:31 GMT

Author: Applerill

Posted: 03/01/2016 20:56

But... I've always liked Idiocracy unironically 🙁

Re: Best Ever Movies (2015 Edition)

Anonymous — Tue, 1 Mar 2016 15:37:01 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 03/01/2016 20:37

if only the plebes could come to understand the incredibly lofty genius of Kind of Blue, one of the most intellectually stimulating and inaccessible works of art to ever be made. your life sounds like a living hell, badseed, surrounded by nincompoops who couldn't be trusted to decipher the brilliance of the latest Pitchfork 9.3 or Scarlett Johansson film. cruel, cruel world!

Re: Best Ever Movies (2015 Edition)

badseed — Tue, 1 Mar 2016 15:13:19 GMT

Author: badseed

Posted: 03/01/2016 20:13

I might recommend doing something a little different. Let Hayden keep running the "best movies" lists and maybe shoot for actors, actresses, directors, film composers...

And I'm not sure what all the weird looks meant... By regular people I guess I'm generalizing based on the fact that I live in a very uncultured area or America where everyone's taste is pretty much the same. The only people I know that know half as much as anyone here about movies or music is because they've known me for so long that I've influenced their taste. It's pretty sad that I don't know anyone personally that has the ability to recommend anything decent to me.

Example: I had a teacher back in high school who asked the class what their favorite movie is. I remember being disgusted when the valedictorian of my class said "A League of Extraordinary Gentlemen" because of its awesome special effects. Proof that even the smartest people in my town have shit taste. We had a Green Day song as our class song.

Re: Best Ever Movies (2015 Edition)

cestuneblague — Tue, 1 Mar 2016 14:56:15 GMT

Author: cestuneblague

Posted: 03/01/2016 19:56

badseed wrote:

so against the general grain that it's a "love it or hate it" kind of movie like Antichrist or Under the Skin that regular people just don't understand.

Anyways yeah just taking a guess a "worst movie" list mostly be split into a "look-how-edgy-I-am" contrarian, Most Overrated list (sorry for the cyncism) and The Room. Don't really know what it'll accomplish.

And yeah probably best to hold off on another general Best Movies poll as we already seem to have a bunch already lined up, but do what you want even if participation may be a bit lower.

Re: Best Ever Movies (2015 Edition)

SuedeSwede — Tue, 1 Mar 2016 13:52:47 GMT

Author: SuedeSwede

Posted: 03/01/2016 18:52

badseed wrote:

regular people

Re: Best Ever Movies (2015 Edition)

badseed — Tue, 1 Mar 2016 13:41:34 GMT

Author: badseed

Posted: 03/01/2016 18:41

Yeah I have little to no interest in watching bad movies. Our list would probably have just as many acclaimed/popular movies that some of us actually like as it would crappy Ed Wood and Rob Schneider movies. I generally use IMDb as a reference and rarely watch anything rated below a 7.0 these days unless it's something that's so against the general grain that it's a "love it or hate it" kind of movie like Antichrist or Under the Skin that regular people just don't understand.

Re: Best Ever Movies (2015 Edition)

alelsupreme — Tue, 1 Mar 2016 13:38:47 GMT

Author: alelsupreme

Posted: 03/01/2016 18:38

counterpoint: the room.