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                            <title>Re: POLL: Greatest Works of Art of All Time?</title>
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                            <description>Author: &lt;a href='https://www.besteveralbums.com/forums/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=104'&gt;AfterHours&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
                          Posted: 05/02/2017 04:03&lt;br /&gt;
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                          &lt;/span&gt;&lt;table class=&quot;bbquote-container&quot;&gt;&lt;tr&gt; 	  &lt;td&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;genmed&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;SquishypuffDave wrote:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;	&lt;/tr&gt;	&lt;tr&gt;	  &lt;td class=&quot;bbquote&quot;&gt;All good. I reckon we just think about these things pretty differently, and that's fine.&lt;/td&gt;	&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;postbody&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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No worries, had we kept going, your Avatar makes it difficult to get that upset/mad at you for very long anyway &lt;span class=&quot;emoji&quot; title=&quot;Laughing&quot;&gt;🤣&lt;/span&gt;  Perhaps mine doesn't welcome the same, umm, squishy-ness or puffy-ness!</description>
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                            <pubDate>Tue, 2 May 2017 00:03:51 GMT</pubDate>
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                            <title>Re: POLL: Greatest Works of Art of All Time?</title>
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                            <description>Author: &lt;a href='https://www.besteveralbums.com/forums/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=16699'&gt;SquishypuffDave&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
                          Posted: 05/02/2017 03:58&lt;br /&gt;
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                          All good. I reckon we just think about these things pretty differently, and that's fine.</description>
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                            <dc:creator>SquishypuffDave</dc:creator>
                            <pubDate>Mon, 1 May 2017 23:58:22 GMT</pubDate>
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                            <title>Re: POLL: Greatest Works of Art of All Time?</title>
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                            <description>Author: &lt;a href='https://www.besteveralbums.com/forums/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=104'&gt;AfterHours&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
                          Posted: 05/02/2017 02:32&lt;br /&gt;
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                          &lt;/span&gt;&lt;table class=&quot;bbquote-container&quot;&gt;&lt;tr&gt; 	  &lt;td&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;genmed&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;SquishypuffDave wrote:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;	&lt;/tr&gt;	&lt;tr&gt;	  &lt;td class=&quot;bbquote&quot;&gt;Song from the album? I'm wasn't talking about arbitrarily picking a song from an album. Just so we're clear, I was talking about this single:&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;a href=&quot;http://rateyourmusic.com/release/single/the-beach-boys/wouldnt-it-be-nice-god-only-knows/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://rateyourmusic.com/release/single/the-beach-boys/wouldnt-it-be-nice-god-only-knows/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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It has its own release date, it's a discrete physical object with its own packaging, the two songs were consciously selected to be released together as one product. The album and the single can both be regarded as complete works. Also, if you think of the 60s as a decade defined by albums rather than singles, then we have a dramatically different appreciation of that era. You may recall Pitchfork declined to put together a top albums chart for that decade:&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: italic&quot;&gt;People always ask: &quot;When is Pitchfork gonna run a list of the top albums of the 1960s?&quot; The answer now? Probably never. Not that we didn't consider it. It's just that when we sat down to map it all out, we found it would be more rewarding to approach the decade through its songs instead. After all, it was by and large a single-oriented era-- the long-player didn't really take over as a creative medium until the 60s had nearly come to an end. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm also happy to take your word regarding the artist's intent, and that Brian Wilson only regarded singles as publicity for his album. The thing is, in contemporary analysis the the design or intention of the author is neither available nor desirable as a standard for judging the work itself:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorial_intent&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorial_intent&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Honestly the way you're talking about this does strike me as arrogant and dismissive, especially since you don't seem to think there are any other valid ways to approach the subject, and describe your particular mode of categorisation as &quot;unquestionable&quot;. Come on dude, even with music history and contemporary analysis working against you, you're going to run that line? I've repeatedly told you I'm not trying to make you change your rules. I know you've explained your reasons. It's the philosophy behind your reasons I'm most interested in talking about. You seem to think I'm just ignoring your arguments. Am I still not getting it? Is there some argument I've missed that makes everything I just posted irrelevant or meaningless? If you don't mind the discussion, why do you seem so pessimistic about the possibility of productive discourse with me? I just want to find common ground and learn more about you.&lt;/td&gt;	&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;postbody&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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It is not so much that the songs themselves can't each be considered &quot;works of art&quot;, which I've already discussed, just as there are many smaller paintings within The Sistine Chapel, or several individual movements within Bach's Mass in B Minor, or 3 paintings within Bosch's Garden of Earthly Delights, or 2634 shots and 127 scenes within Citizen Kane -- all of which could be considered &quot;works of art&quot; -- it is that Pet Sounds is the &quot;COMPLETE work of art&quot; from Wilson/The Beach Boys, just as Citizen Kane, The Sistine Chapel, Mass in B Minor and Garden of Earthly Delights are the COMPLETE works of art from those artists.  The topic is uninteresting to me as I've already answered it and have already established that the rules that you are arguing are not going to be changed ... Sorry, I just don't find such discourse interesting/productive...&lt;br /&gt;
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I've opened a &quot;Greatest Songs&quot; poll where you may choose songs from Pet Sounds, or any others, whether they are part of a proper album or not.  &lt;br /&gt;
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&quot;For Pet Sounds, Wilson desired to make &quot;a complete statement&quot;, similar to what he believed the Beatles had done with their newest album Rubber Soul, released in December 1965.&quot; --Jones, 2008, page 44</description>
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                            <pubDate>Mon, 1 May 2017 22:32:03 GMT</pubDate>
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                            <title>Re: POLL: Greatest Works of Art of All Time?</title>
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                            <description>Author: &lt;a href='https://www.besteveralbums.com/forums/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=16699'&gt;SquishypuffDave&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
                          Posted: 05/02/2017 02:14&lt;br /&gt;
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                          &lt;/span&gt;&lt;table class=&quot;bbquote-container&quot;&gt;&lt;tr&gt; 	  &lt;td&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;genmed&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;AfterHours wrote:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;	&lt;/tr&gt;	&lt;tr&gt;	  &lt;td class=&quot;bbquote&quot;&gt;This really has nothing to do with discussion, or lack thereof, for me.  I think you'll understand where I was coming from if you consider that the poll already started quite some time ago with many submissions now (from two websites) and I'm not going to be too interested in repeatedly discussing the same requested change, especially after my reasons have been explained.  One can find out about Pet Sounds by looking into the matter on their own, from the artist's perspective.  So I just recommend checking it out, as there is no question of their intent and that the album is the complete work of art, not God Only Knows or any other song from the album.&lt;/td&gt;	&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;postbody&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Song from the album? I'm wasn't talking about arbitrarily picking a song from an album. Just so we're clear, I was talking about this single:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://rateyourmusic.com/release/single/the-beach-boys/wouldnt-it-be-nice-god-only-knows/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://rateyourmusic.com/release/single/the-beach-boys/wouldnt-it-be-nice-god-only-knows/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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It has its own release date, it's a discrete physical object with its own packaging, the two songs were consciously selected to be released together as one product. The album and the single can both be regarded as complete works. Also, if you think of the 60s as a decade defined by albums rather than singles, then we have a dramatically different appreciation of that era. You may recall Pitchfork declined to put together a top albums chart for that decade:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: italic&quot;&gt;People always ask: &quot;When is Pitchfork gonna run a list of the top albums of the 1960s?&quot; The answer now? Probably never. Not that we didn't consider it. It's just that when we sat down to map it all out, we found it would be more rewarding to approach the decade through its songs instead. After all, it was by and large a single-oriented era-- the long-player didn't really take over as a creative medium until the 60s had nearly come to an end. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm also happy to take your word regarding the artist's intent, and that Brian Wilson only regarded singles as publicity for his album. The thing is, in contemporary analysis the the design or intention of the author is neither available nor desirable as a standard for judging the work itself:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorial_intent&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorial_intent&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Honestly the way you're talking about this does strike me as arrogant and dismissive, especially since you don't seem to think there are any other valid ways to approach the subject, and describe your particular mode of categorisation as &quot;unquestionable&quot;. Come on dude, even with music history and contemporary analysis working against you, you're going to run that line? I've repeatedly told you I'm not trying to make you change your rules. I know you've explained your reasons. It's the philosophy behind your reasons I'm most interested in talking about. You seem to think I'm just ignoring your arguments. Am I still not getting it? Is there some argument I've missed that makes everything I just posted irrelevant or meaningless? If you don't mind the discussion, why do you seem so pessimistic about the possibility of productive discourse with me? I just want to find common ground and learn more about you.</description>
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                            <dc:creator>SquishypuffDave</dc:creator>
                            <pubDate>Mon, 1 May 2017 22:14:55 GMT</pubDate>
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                            <title>Re: POLL: Greatest Works of Art of All Time?</title>
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                            <description>Author: &lt;a href='https://www.besteveralbums.com/forums/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=104'&gt;AfterHours&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
                          Posted: 05/01/2017 18:20&lt;br /&gt;
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                          &lt;/span&gt;&lt;table class=&quot;bbquote-container&quot;&gt;&lt;tr&gt; 	  &lt;td&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;genmed&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Tilly wrote:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;	&lt;/tr&gt;	&lt;tr&gt;	  &lt;td class=&quot;bbquote&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;table class=&quot;bbquote-container&quot;&gt;&lt;tr&gt; 	  &lt;td&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;genmed&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;murmur wrote:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;	&lt;/tr&gt;	&lt;tr&gt;	  &lt;td class=&quot;bbquote&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Wim Wenders: Paris, Texas (1984)&lt;br /&gt;
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 &lt;span class=&quot;emoji&quot; title=&quot;Love&quot;&gt;🥰&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;text-decoration: underline&quot;&gt;spoiler alert:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
The kid should have ended up with the Dad on a never-ending road trip. lol.&lt;/td&gt;	&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;postbody&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Great film.  Not too many films are as moving as Paris, Texas.</description>
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                            <pubDate>Mon, 1 May 2017 14:20:39 GMT</pubDate>
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                            <description>Author: &lt;a href='https://www.besteveralbums.com/forums/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=104'&gt;AfterHours&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
                          Posted: 05/01/2017 18:19&lt;br /&gt;
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                          &lt;/span&gt;&lt;table class=&quot;bbquote-container&quot;&gt;&lt;tr&gt; 	  &lt;td&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;genmed&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;SquishypuffDave wrote:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;	&lt;/tr&gt;	&lt;tr&gt;	  &lt;td class=&quot;bbquote&quot;&gt;@AfterHours I tend to assume list-making threads are also general discussion threads, which is why perhaps my comments have come off as an attack on the thread itself? I thought some of your comments were a bit dismissive, but that's probably because &quot;topical discussion for its own sake&quot; isn't really the thing that appeals to you and you just wanted to get back to the list-making, so I kind of just left it even though I thought it was actually going somewhere pretty interesting.&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span class=&quot;forum-bbcode-font-size-4&quot; style=&quot;line-height: normal&quot;&gt;For example I didn't initially pick up on how much your view of art is rooted in auteur theory, or what might be described as &quot;intentional fallacy&quot; by critics. Since I'm into the more postmodern Zappa-esqe &quot;art is the frame&quot; mode of interpretation, it didn't occur to me that in your eyes Brian Wilson's opinion of the album vs the single outweighs the fact that he agreed to release it as two separate products. Even on this basis it's fairly easy to imagine how a pop artist might view their album as just a container for their 12 attempts at a great single, where the label was the one to push for the album release. Auteur theory also makes things like posthumous publication a sticky point, where the artist has no hand in how the work is presented. It also gets complicated when more than one person is responsible for production, because they might have totally different views on what they're making. For a lot of my entries it was pretty arbitrary whom I credited with the work (performer vs producer vs production company, etc.) as well as determining when the work was &quot;released&quot;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm just realizing now how much easier it would be to compile a &quot;greatest artists&quot; list. Actually considering doing one of those.&lt;/td&gt;	&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;postbody&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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This really has nothing to do with discussion, or lack thereof, for me.  I think you'll understand where I was coming from if you consider that the poll already started quite some time ago with many submissions now (from two websites) and I'm not going to be too interested in repeatedly discussing the same requested change, especially after my reasons have been explained.  One can find out about Pet Sounds by looking into the matter on their own, from the artist's perspective.  So I just recommend checking it out, as there is no question of their intent and that the album is the complete work of art, not God Only Knows or any other song from the album.</description>
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                            <pubDate>Mon, 1 May 2017 14:19:00 GMT</pubDate>
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                            <description>Author: &lt;a href='https://www.besteveralbums.com/forums/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=104'&gt;AfterHours&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
                          Posted: 05/01/2017 18:01&lt;br /&gt;
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                          &lt;/span&gt;&lt;table class=&quot;bbquote-container&quot;&gt;&lt;tr&gt; 	  &lt;td&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;genmed&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;sethmadsen wrote:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;	&lt;/tr&gt;	&lt;tr&gt;	  &lt;td class=&quot;bbquote&quot;&gt;I spent almost no time actually thinking about this and almost submitted The Joshua Tree by U2 out of spite because this was so frustrating hahahahaha.&lt;br /&gt;
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I'd like to revisit this someday, but this is what I have now:&lt;br /&gt;
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1	Der Ring des Nibelungen by Richard Wagner (1876)&lt;br /&gt;
2	Critique of Pure Reason by Kant (1781)&lt;br /&gt;
3	The Scream of Nature by Edvard Munch (1893)&lt;br /&gt;
4	Beethoven's 9th (1824)&lt;br /&gt;
5	To the Christian Nobility of the German Nation by Martin Luther (1520)&lt;br /&gt;
6	The Starry Night by Vincent van Gogh (1889)&lt;br /&gt;
7	Vivaldi's 4 seasons (1725)&lt;br /&gt;
8	Faust by Johann Wolfgang von Goethe's (1829)&lt;br /&gt;
9	Nathan the Wise by Lessing (1779)&lt;br /&gt;
10	The Rite of Spring by Igor Stravinsky (1913)&lt;br /&gt;
11	Ágætis Byrjun by Sigur Rós (blah blah blah)&lt;br /&gt;
12	Metropolis by Fritz Lang (1927)&lt;br /&gt;
13	Rue Mosnier with Flags by Édouard Manet (1878)&lt;br /&gt;
14	New World Symphony by Antonín Dvořák (1893)&lt;br /&gt;
15	The Declaration of Independence by Thomas Jefferson (1776)&lt;br /&gt;
16	The Communist Manifesto by Marx &amp; Engels (1848)&lt;br /&gt;
17	Gettysburg Address by Abraham Lincoln (1863)&lt;br /&gt;
18	Animal Farm (1945)&lt;br /&gt;
19	Nikolaikirche by Erich Loest (1997)&lt;br /&gt;
20	The Magic Flute by Mozart (1791)&lt;br /&gt;
21	Symphony No. 1 by Gustav Mahler (1889)&lt;br /&gt;
22	Appalacian Spring by Aaron Copland (1944)&lt;br /&gt;
23	Brazil (1985)&lt;br /&gt;
24	Sunrise (Marine) by Claude Monet (1873)&lt;br /&gt;
25	Scheherazade by Rimsky-Korsakov (1888)&lt;br /&gt;
26	Hildebrandslied by Oral Tradition (830)&lt;br /&gt;
27	Ploughman and Death by Johannes von Tepl (1401)&lt;br /&gt;
28	Parsley, Sage, Rosemary &amp; Thyme by Simon &amp; Garfunkel (1966)&lt;br /&gt;
29	Irises by Vincen van Gogh (1889)&lt;br /&gt;
30	The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari (1920)&lt;br /&gt;
31	Lord of the Rings by JRR Tolkein (1937-1949)&lt;br /&gt;
32	Harry Potter (1997-2007) The marrying of two concepts that I love - the simplicity of teen literature (see my pop comment later) and the depth of cultural history combined... it's actually a bit deeper than you might realize.&lt;br /&gt;
33	Powaqqatsi by Philip Glass(1998)&lt;br /&gt;
34	The Joshua Tree by U2 (1987)&lt;br /&gt;
35	Sgt. Peppers by the Beatles (1967)&lt;br /&gt;
36	Nevermind by Nirvana (1991)&lt;br /&gt;
37	Here's Little Richard by Little Richard (1957)&lt;br /&gt;
38	Pet Sounds by Brian Wilson (let's be real here) (1966) and tied for that is Smile by Brian Wilson (2004)&lt;br /&gt;
39	{Insert good Jazz and Blues here}&lt;br /&gt;
40	The Louvre&lt;br /&gt;
41	Sistine Chapel&lt;br /&gt;
42	The Taj Mahal&lt;br /&gt;
43	The Pyramids of Giza&lt;br /&gt;
44	Dark Side of the Moon by Pink Floyd&lt;/td&gt;	&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;postbody&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Thank you!  Fascinating variety!  Is this your final submission or are you planning to submit 50?  Also, some of the selections are unclear.  Is the Louvre being selected as a work of architecture or are you trying to get away with submitting all its paintings as one work?  &lt;span class=&quot;emoji&quot; title=&quot;Shame on you&quot;&gt;🫵&lt;/span&gt;  Who's the artist?  Also, for your other choices missing the artist, please include them, even if they're obvious.</description>
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                            <pubDate>Mon, 1 May 2017 14:01:18 GMT</pubDate>
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                            <description>Author: &lt;a href='https://www.besteveralbums.com/forums/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=30141'&gt;Repo&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
                          Posted: 05/01/2017 09:25&lt;br /&gt;
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                          &lt;/span&gt;&lt;table class=&quot;bbquote-container&quot;&gt;&lt;tr&gt; 	  &lt;td&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;genmed&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;murmur wrote:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;	&lt;/tr&gt;	&lt;tr&gt;	  &lt;td class=&quot;bbquote&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Wim Wenders: Paris, Texas (1984)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;text-decoration: underline&quot;&gt;spoiler alert:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
The kid should have ended up with the Dad on a never-ending road trip. lol.</description>
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                            <pubDate>Mon, 1 May 2017 05:25:39 GMT</pubDate>
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                            <description>Author: &lt;a href='https://www.besteveralbums.com/forums/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=16699'&gt;SquishypuffDave&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
                          Posted: 05/01/2017 08:20&lt;br /&gt;
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                          @AfterHours I tend to assume list-making threads are also general discussion threads, which is why perhaps my comments have come off as an attack on the thread itself? I thought some of your comments were a bit dismissive, but that's probably because &quot;topical discussion for its own sake&quot; isn't really the thing that appeals to you and you just wanted to get back to the list-making, so I kind of just left it even though I thought it was actually going somewhere pretty interesting.&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span class=&quot;forum-bbcode-font-size-4&quot; style=&quot;line-height: normal&quot;&gt;For example I didn't initially pick up on how much your view of art is rooted in auteur theory, or what might be described as &quot;intentional fallacy&quot; by critics. Since I'm into the more postmodern Zappa-esqe &quot;art is the frame&quot; mode of interpretation, it didn't occur to me that in your eyes Brian Wilson's opinion of the album vs the single outweighs the fact that he agreed to release it as two separate products. Even on this basis it's fairly easy to imagine how a pop artist might view their album as just a container for their 12 attempts at a great single, where the label was the one to push for the album release. Auteur theory also makes things like posthumous publication a sticky point, where the artist has no hand in how the work is presented. It also gets complicated when more than one person is responsible for production, because they might have totally different views on what they're making. For a lot of my entries it was pretty arbitrary whom I credited with the work (performer vs producer vs production company, etc.) as well as determining when the work was &quot;released&quot;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm just realizing now how much easier it would be to compile a &quot;greatest artists&quot; list. Actually considering doing one of those.</description>
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                            <pubDate>Mon, 1 May 2017 04:20:36 GMT</pubDate>
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                            <description>Author: &lt;a href='https://www.besteveralbums.com/forums/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=19428'&gt;RoundTheBend&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
                          Posted: 05/01/2017 06:20&lt;br /&gt;
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                          I spent almost no time actually thinking about this and almost submitted The Joshua Tree by U2 out of spite because this was so frustrating hahahahaha.&lt;br /&gt;
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I'd like to revisit this someday, but this is what I have now:&lt;br /&gt;
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1	Der Ring des Nibelungen by Richard Wagner (1876)&lt;br /&gt;
2	Critique of Pure Reason by Kant (1781)&lt;br /&gt;
3	The Scream of Nature by Edvard Munch (1893)&lt;br /&gt;
4	Beethoven's 9th (1824)&lt;br /&gt;
5	To the Christian Nobility of the German Nation by Martin Luther (1520)&lt;br /&gt;
6	The Starry Night by Vincent van Gogh (1889)&lt;br /&gt;
7	Vivaldi's 4 seasons (1725)&lt;br /&gt;
8	Faust by Johann Wolfgang von Goethe's (1829)&lt;br /&gt;
9	Nathan the Wise by Lessing (1779)&lt;br /&gt;
10	The Rite of Spring by Igor Stravinsky (1913)&lt;br /&gt;
11	Ágætis Byrjun by Sigur Rós (blah blah blah)&lt;br /&gt;
12	Metropolis by Fritz Lang (1927)&lt;br /&gt;
13	Rue Mosnier with Flags by Édouard Manet (1878)&lt;br /&gt;
14	New World Symphony by Antonín Dvořák (1893)&lt;br /&gt;
15	The Declaration of Independence by Thomas Jefferson (1776)&lt;br /&gt;
16	The Communist Manifesto by Marx &amp; Engels (1848)&lt;br /&gt;
17	Gettysburg Address by Abraham Lincoln (1863)&lt;br /&gt;
18	Animal Farm (1945)&lt;br /&gt;
19	Nikolaikirche by Erich Loest (1997)&lt;br /&gt;
20	The Magic Flute by Mozart (1791)&lt;br /&gt;
21	Symphony No. 1 by Gustav Mahler (1889)&lt;br /&gt;
22	Appalacian Spring by Aaron Copland (1944)&lt;br /&gt;
23	Brazil (1985)&lt;br /&gt;
24	Sunrise (Marine) by Claude Monet (1873)&lt;br /&gt;
25	Scheherazade by Rimsky-Korsakov (1888)&lt;br /&gt;
26	Hildebrandslied by Oral Tradition (830)&lt;br /&gt;
27	Ploughman and Death by Johannes von Tepl (1401)&lt;br /&gt;
28	Parsley, Sage, Rosemary &amp; Thyme by Simon &amp; Garfunkel (1966)&lt;br /&gt;
29	Irises by Vincen van Gogh (1889)&lt;br /&gt;
30	The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari (1920)&lt;br /&gt;
31	Lord of the Rings by JRR Tolkein (1937-1949)&lt;br /&gt;
32	Harry Potter (1997-2007) The marrying of two concepts that I love - the simplicity of teen literature (see my pop comment later) and the depth of cultural history combined... it's actually a bit deeper than you might realize.&lt;br /&gt;
33	Powaqqatsi by Philip Glass(1998)&lt;br /&gt;
34	The Joshua Tree by U2 (1987)&lt;br /&gt;
35	Sgt. Peppers by the Beatles (1967)&lt;br /&gt;
36	Nevermind by Nirvana (1991)&lt;br /&gt;
37	Here's Little Richard by Little Richard (1957)&lt;br /&gt;
38	Pet Sounds by Brian Wilson (let's be real here) (1966) and tied for that is Smile by Brian Wilson (2004)&lt;br /&gt;
39	{Insert good Jazz and Blues here}&lt;br /&gt;
40	The Louvre&lt;br /&gt;
41	Sistine Chapel&lt;br /&gt;
42	The Taj Mahal&lt;br /&gt;
43	The Pyramids of Giza&lt;br /&gt;
44	Dark Side of the Moon by Pink Floyd</description>
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                            <pubDate>Mon, 1 May 2017 02:20:23 GMT</pubDate>
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                            <description>Author: &lt;a href='https://www.besteveralbums.com/forums/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=104'&gt;AfterHours&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
                          Posted: 05/01/2017 05:10&lt;br /&gt;
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                          &lt;/span&gt;&lt;table class=&quot;bbquote-container&quot;&gt;&lt;tr&gt; 	  &lt;td&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;genmed&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;murmur wrote:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;	&lt;/tr&gt;	&lt;tr&gt;	  &lt;td class=&quot;bbquote&quot;&gt;pretty haphazard, obvious over-reliance on music and limited in the visual art department. couldn't be assed to evaluate books as art since I don't read literature and already think it's weird comparing ancient ceremonial spaces to modern pop albums, let alone trying to evaluate scientific or philosophical contributions to human thought and rank them against things that provoke an affective response. also my video game picks are just kind of the &quot;lately these have felt like art&quot; token pics from the medium moreso than a firm statement that those two are the best video games ever/far better than art not included on this list. also wish i had &quot;singular&quot; works from various eras of ceramic production in various parts of the world to round out the list a bit better&lt;br /&gt;
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Ancestral Puebloans: Pueblo Bonito (ca. 800)&lt;br /&gt;
Johann Sebastian Bach: St. John Passion (1724)&lt;br /&gt;
Ludwig van Beethoven: String Quartet No. 14 (1826)&lt;br /&gt;
Horatiu Radulescu: Das Andere (1983)&lt;br /&gt;
Sofia Gubaidulina: Sieben Worte (1982)&lt;br /&gt;
Morton Feldman: Triadic Memories (1981)&lt;br /&gt;
Incas: Machu Picchu (1450)&lt;br /&gt;
The Velvet Underground: The Velvet Underground &amp; Nico (1967)&lt;br /&gt;
Nikos Veliotis, Taku Sugimoto, Kazushige Kinoshita, and Taku Unami: Quartet (2005)&lt;br /&gt;
Alain Resnais: Last Year at Marienbad (1961)&lt;br /&gt;
Mark Rothko: Rothko Chapel (1971)&lt;br /&gt;
Franz Schubert: Piano Quintet in A Major &quot;The Trout&quot; (1819)&lt;br /&gt;
Arthur Russell: World of Echo (1986)&lt;br /&gt;
PPNA Peoples: Gobekli Tepe (ca. 10th-8th millennium BC)&lt;br /&gt;
Gustav Mahler: Symphony No. 9 (1908-1909)&lt;br /&gt;
Elysia Crampton: American Drift (2015)&lt;br /&gt;
Teotihuacanos: Pyramid of the Sun (ca. 200)&lt;br /&gt;
Iannis Xenakis: Persepolis (1971)&lt;br /&gt;
Alfred Schnittke: Symphony No. 1 (1969-1974)&lt;br /&gt;
Anton Webern: 5 Movements for String Quartet (1909)&lt;br /&gt;
Anton Bruckner: Symphony No. 9 (1891-1896)&lt;br /&gt;
Captain Beefheart &amp; His Magic Band: Trout Mask Replica (1969)&lt;br /&gt;
Wong Kar-Wai: Chungking Express (1994)&lt;br /&gt;
Avey Tare and Panda Bear: Spirit They're Gone, Spirit They've Vanished (2000)&lt;br /&gt;
Unknown Sumerian: Warka Vessel (ca. 3200-3000 BC)&lt;br /&gt;
Giacinto Scelsi: Konx-Om-Pax (1969)&lt;br /&gt;
Stanley Kubrick: 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968)&lt;br /&gt;
Wim Wenders: Paris, Texas (1984)&lt;br /&gt;
Le Corbusier: Carpenter Center for the Visual Arts (1963)&lt;br /&gt;
Kasimir Malevich: &quot;Supremus No. 56&quot; (1916)&lt;br /&gt;
Nico: Desertshore&lt;br /&gt;
Dziga Vertov: Man with a Movie Camera (1929)&lt;br /&gt;
Masaaki Yuasa: Mind Game (2004)&lt;br /&gt;
Apichatpong Weerasethakul: Blissfully Yours (2002)&lt;br /&gt;
Gas: Pop (2000)&lt;br /&gt;
Jean-Luc Godard: Weekend (1967)&lt;br /&gt;
Alban Berg: Lyrische Suite (1926)&lt;br /&gt;
Mark Rappaport: The Scenic Route (1978)&lt;br /&gt;
Fumito Ueda: The Last Guardian (2016)&lt;br /&gt;
Hidemaro Fujibayashi: The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (2017)&lt;/td&gt;	&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;postbody&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Very interesting, and yes, it's tough to make all those comparisons, but tends to lead to some unique lists.  Thank you!</description>
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                            <pubDate>Mon, 1 May 2017 01:10:30 GMT</pubDate>
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                            <description>Author: &lt;a href='https://www.besteveralbums.com/forums/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=-1'&gt;Anonymous&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
                          Posted: 05/01/2017 02:41&lt;br /&gt;
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                          pretty haphazard, obvious over-reliance on music and limited in the visual art department. couldn't be assed to evaluate books as art since I don't read literature and already think it's weird comparing ancient ceremonial spaces to modern pop albums, let alone trying to evaluate scientific or philosophical contributions to human thought and rank them against things that provoke an affective response. also my video game picks are just kind of the &quot;lately these have felt like art&quot; token pics from the medium moreso than a firm statement that those two are the best video games ever/far better than art not included on this list. also wish i had &quot;singular&quot; works from various eras of ceramic production in various parts of the world to round out the list a bit better&lt;br /&gt;
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Ancestral Puebloans: Pueblo Bonito (ca. 800)&lt;br /&gt;
Johann Sebastian Bach: St. John Passion (1724)&lt;br /&gt;
Ludwig van Beethoven: String Quartet No. 14 (1826)&lt;br /&gt;
Horatiu Radulescu: Das Andere (1983)&lt;br /&gt;
Sofia Gubaidulina: Sieben Worte (1982)&lt;br /&gt;
Morton Feldman: Triadic Memories (1981)&lt;br /&gt;
Incas: Machu Picchu (1450)&lt;br /&gt;
The Velvet Underground: The Velvet Underground &amp; Nico (1967)&lt;br /&gt;
Nikos Veliotis, Taku Sugimoto, Kazushige Kinoshita, and Taku Unami: Quartet (2005)&lt;br /&gt;
Alain Resnais: Last Year at Marienbad (1961)&lt;br /&gt;
Mark Rothko: Rothko Chapel (1971)&lt;br /&gt;
Franz Schubert: Piano Quintet in A Major &quot;The Trout&quot; (1819)&lt;br /&gt;
Arthur Russell: World of Echo (1986)&lt;br /&gt;
PPNA Peoples: Gobekli Tepe (ca. 10th-8th millennium BC)&lt;br /&gt;
Gustav Mahler: Symphony No. 9 (1908-1909)&lt;br /&gt;
Elysia Crampton: American Drift (2015)&lt;br /&gt;
Teotihuacanos: Pyramid of the Sun (ca. 200)&lt;br /&gt;
Iannis Xenakis: Persepolis (1971)&lt;br /&gt;
Alfred Schnittke: Symphony No. 1 (1969-1974)&lt;br /&gt;
Anton Webern: 5 Movements for String Quartet (1909)&lt;br /&gt;
Anton Bruckner: Symphony No. 9 (1891-1896)&lt;br /&gt;
Captain Beefheart &amp; His Magic Band: Trout Mask Replica (1969)&lt;br /&gt;
Wong Kar-Wai: Chungking Express (1994)&lt;br /&gt;
Avey Tare and Panda Bear: Spirit They're Gone, Spirit They've Vanished (2000)&lt;br /&gt;
Unknown Sumerian: Warka Vessel (ca. 3200-3000 BC)&lt;br /&gt;
Giacinto Scelsi: Konx-Om-Pax (1969)&lt;br /&gt;
Stanley Kubrick: 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968)&lt;br /&gt;
Wim Wenders: Paris, Texas (1984)&lt;br /&gt;
Le Corbusier: Carpenter Center for the Visual Arts (1963)&lt;br /&gt;
Kasimir Malevich: &quot;Supremus No. 56&quot; (1916)&lt;br /&gt;
Nico: Desertshore&lt;br /&gt;
Dziga Vertov: Man with a Movie Camera (1929)&lt;br /&gt;
Masaaki Yuasa: Mind Game (2004)&lt;br /&gt;
Apichatpong Weerasethakul: Blissfully Yours (2002)&lt;br /&gt;
Gas: Pop (2000)&lt;br /&gt;
Jean-Luc Godard: Weekend (1967)&lt;br /&gt;
Alban Berg: Lyrische Suite (1926)&lt;br /&gt;
Mark Rappaport: The Scenic Route (1978)&lt;br /&gt;
Fumito Ueda: The Last Guardian (2016)&lt;br /&gt;
Hidemaro Fujibayashi: The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (2017)</description>
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                            <pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2017 22:41:29 GMT</pubDate>
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                            <description>Author: &lt;a href='https://www.besteveralbums.com/forums/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=104'&gt;AfterHours&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
                          Posted: 04/30/2017 14:42&lt;br /&gt;
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                          &lt;/span&gt;&lt;table class=&quot;bbquote-container&quot;&gt;&lt;tr&gt; 	  &lt;td&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;genmed&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Jimmy Dread wrote:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;	&lt;/tr&gt;	&lt;tr&gt;	  &lt;td class=&quot;bbquote&quot;&gt;Agreed. I feel far too embarrassed to submit my list, which features both some foppish indie-pop and &lt;span style=&quot;font-style: italic&quot;&gt;Gremlins 2 - The New Batch&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;/td&gt;	&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;postbody&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Why?  You should submit whatever you feel is worthy. You dont have to participate if you dont want to, but I sure as hell wouldn't be holding a poll of all the things if I didn't want your opinion.</description>
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                            <pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2017 10:42:35 GMT</pubDate>
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                            <description>Author: &lt;a href='https://www.besteveralbums.com/forums/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=104'&gt;AfterHours&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
                          Posted: 04/30/2017 14:16&lt;br /&gt;
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                          &lt;/span&gt;&lt;table class=&quot;bbquote-container&quot;&gt;&lt;tr&gt; 	  &lt;td&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;genmed&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Jimmy Dread wrote:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;	&lt;/tr&gt;	&lt;tr&gt;	  &lt;td class=&quot;bbquote&quot;&gt;Agreed. I feel far too embarrassed to submit my list, which features both some foppish indie-pop and &lt;span style=&quot;font-style: italic&quot;&gt;Gremlins 2 - The New Batch&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also why isn't this allowed? Pure art from 0:13&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;iframe class=&quot;forum-youtube&quot; src=&quot;https://www.youtube.com/embed/M5HbmeNKino?autoplay=0&amp;controls=1&amp;fs=1&quot; frameborder=&quot;0&quot; allow=&quot;accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture&quot; webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen allowfullscreen&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://youtube.com/watch?v=M5HbmeNKino&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Link&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;	&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;postbody&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Mainly because the poll had already started without sports before being introduced here.  Additionally, if you look up definitions of art, sports aren't generally included.  Though, in a very broad sense, I am sure they could be.  There are many athletes and moments that would deserve mention, no doubt!</description>
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                            <pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2017 10:16:28 GMT</pubDate>
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                            <description>Author: &lt;a href='https://www.besteveralbums.com/forums/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=104'&gt;AfterHours&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
                          Posted: 04/30/2017 14:13&lt;br /&gt;
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                          &lt;/span&gt;&lt;table class=&quot;bbquote-container&quot;&gt;&lt;tr&gt; 	  &lt;td&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;genmed&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Skinny wrote:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;	&lt;/tr&gt;	&lt;tr&gt;	  &lt;td class=&quot;bbquote&quot;&gt;There's something oddly defensive and aloof about the way you post. Your posts also give me the impression that you think your opinion is more worthy than the vast majority of others'.&lt;/td&gt;	&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;postbody&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Is this to me?  If so, it is an interesting, broad generality, but sorry, I am not introverted enough to bother much with this tactic, and I think you're missing the overall picture.  &lt;br /&gt;
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You may want to take a step back and look at the following:&lt;br /&gt;
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(1) This is a poll I am managing in conjunction with (and sometimes &quot;against&quot; apparently) many different opinions, wants/suggestions, etc.&lt;br /&gt;
(2) The poll had already started with various rules, before being introduced here, with several others having already voted, so some stances had to be taken in order to preserve what had already happened.  And also the other reasons already stated in many different posts.&lt;br /&gt;
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If the songs thing is such a big deal, just do your own poll!  I myself would probably submit an entry!</description>
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                            <title>Re: POLL: Greatest Works of Art of All Time?</title>
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                            <description>Author: &lt;a href='https://www.besteveralbums.com/forums/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=17730'&gt;Jimmy Dread&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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                          &lt;/span&gt;&lt;table class=&quot;bbquote-container&quot;&gt;&lt;tr&gt; 	  &lt;td&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;genmed&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Skinny wrote:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;	&lt;/tr&gt;	&lt;tr&gt;	  &lt;td class=&quot;bbquote&quot;&gt;There's something oddly defensive and aloof about the way you post. Your posts also give me the impression that you think your opinion is more worthy than the vast majority of others'.&lt;/td&gt;	&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;postbody&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Agreed. I feel far too embarrassed to submit my list, which features both some foppish indie-pop and &lt;span style=&quot;font-style: italic&quot;&gt;Gremlins 2 - The New Batch&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also why isn't this allowed? Pure art from 0:13&lt;br /&gt;
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                            <pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2017 07:19:07 GMT</pubDate>
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                            <title>Re: POLL: Greatest Works of Art of All Time?</title>
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                            <description>Author: &lt;a href='https://www.besteveralbums.com/forums/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=29810'&gt;Skinny&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
                          Posted: 04/30/2017 08:39&lt;br /&gt;
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                          There's something oddly defensive and aloof about the way you post. Your posts also give me the impression that you think your opinion is more worthy than the vast majority of others'.</description>
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                            <pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2017 04:39:26 GMT</pubDate>
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                            <title>Re: POLL: Greatest Works of Art of All Time?</title>
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                            <description>Author: &lt;a href='https://www.besteveralbums.com/forums/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=104'&gt;AfterHours&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
                          Posted: 04/29/2017 19:03&lt;br /&gt;
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                          &lt;/span&gt;&lt;table class=&quot;bbquote-container&quot;&gt;&lt;tr&gt; 	  &lt;td&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;genmed&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Antonio-Pedro wrote:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;	&lt;/tr&gt;	&lt;tr&gt;	  &lt;td class=&quot;bbquote&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;table class=&quot;bbquote-container&quot;&gt;&lt;tr&gt; 	  &lt;td&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;genmed&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;AfterHours wrote:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;	&lt;/tr&gt;	&lt;tr&gt;	  &lt;td class=&quot;bbquote&quot;&gt;Ok great, thank you.  &lt;br /&gt;
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Though I understand your choice of Sister Ray, it is not eligible on its own, though of course White Light/White Heat is.  Also know that the entry of Michelangelo's Sistine Chapel will include The Last Judgment, as that is his complete statement/work, even though they were completed almost 30 years apart, and even if, had we done this poll way back then in the years between we would infact consider the Sistine Chapel Ceiling the complete work.  But Michelangelo, being one of the most ambitious artists ever, had more to say on the matter...  Also, please add the artists to any of those you've missed (As I Was Moving Ahead..., La La Land, 2001, The Christ Redeemer, etc).  I'm not going to have time to go through and fix these for the various entries whether here, at talkclassical.com, or potentially, other site(s) that will be included in the poll.  If needed, the OP should resolve any questions/clarifications.&lt;br /&gt;
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All of these lists are quite interesting in their diversity and to see what people consider the pinnacles of their genres.  Again, thank you for the submission.&lt;/td&gt;	&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;postbody&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
No problem at all, shame I can't get sister ray in, will edit the original in a few minutes then.&lt;/td&gt;	&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;postbody&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Re: Sister Ray ... I hear ya.  It is certainly deserving from a qualitative standpoint!  One of the few single songs/tracks that would probably make my own top 50 works of art, so I understand.</description>
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                            <pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2017 15:03:55 GMT</pubDate>
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                            <title>Re: POLL: Greatest Works of Art of All Time?</title>
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                            <description>Author: &lt;a href='https://www.besteveralbums.com/forums/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=27864'&gt;Antonio-Pedro&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
                          Posted: 04/29/2017 19:01&lt;br /&gt;
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Though I understand your choice of Sister Ray, it is not eligible on its own, though of course White Light/White Heat is.  Also know that the entry of Michelangelo's Sistine Chapel will include The Last Judgment, as that is his complete statement/work, even though they were completed almost 30 years apart, and even if, had we done this poll way back then in the years between we would infact consider the Sistine Chapel Ceiling the complete work.  But Michelangelo, being one of the most ambitious artists ever, had more to say on the matter...  Also, please add the artists to any of those you've missed (As I Was Moving Ahead..., La La Land, 2001, The Christ Redeemer, etc).  I'm not going to have time to go through and fix these for the various entries whether here, at talkclassical.com, or potentially, other site(s) that will be included in the poll.  If needed, the OP should resolve any questions/clarifications.&lt;br /&gt;
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All of these lists are quite interesting in their diversity and to see what people consider the pinnacles of their genres.  Again, thank you for the submission.&lt;/td&gt;	&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;postbody&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
No problem at all, shame I can't get sister ray in, will edit the original in a few minutes then.</description>
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                            <pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2017 15:01:18 GMT</pubDate>
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                            <title>Re: POLL: Greatest Works of Art of All Time?</title>
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                            <description>Author: &lt;a href='https://www.besteveralbums.com/forums/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=104'&gt;AfterHours&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
                          Posted: 04/29/2017 18:18&lt;br /&gt;
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RE: Musee de l'Orangerie paintings ... &quot;However, eight large scale works were donated by Monet to be displayed together in a room specially designed (with Monet's input) for those eight paintings.&quot; (source &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.musee-orangerie.fr/en/articl...ter-lilies)&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.musee-orangerie.fr/en/articl...ter-lilies)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;	&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;postbody&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Ah, wasn't aware of that (the link you posted doesn't work, but I looked it up). I guess I'm okay with swapping it out for that. It doesn't really showcase the massiveness of the series, but it gets the gist across. I'll switch it for the 8 paintings in Musee de l'Orangerie  &lt;span class=&quot;emoji&quot; title=&quot;Smile&quot;&gt;😄&lt;/span&gt; &lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;/span&gt;&lt;table width=&quot;90%&quot; cellspacing=&quot;0&quot; cellpadding=&quot;0&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; align=&quot;center&quot;&gt;&lt;tr&gt; 	  &lt;td&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;genmed&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Quote:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;	&lt;/tr&gt;	&lt;tr&gt;	  &lt;td class=&quot;bbquote&quot;&gt;Portrait of Edith Schiele - Egon Schiele &lt;/td&gt;	&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;postbody&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Dying Edith Schiele almost made my list. Possibly one of the most heartbreaking works ever made. That's a great choice too though.&lt;/td&gt;	&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;postbody&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Great, sounds good!</description>
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                            <dc:creator>AfterHours</dc:creator>
                            <pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2017 14:18:26 GMT</pubDate>
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