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Re: ANy Albums ranked higher in other published lists

AfterHours — Mon, 10 Jul 2017 02:08:37 GMT

Author: AfterHours

Posted: 07/10/2017 06:08

murmur wrote:

Yes, Bach was certainly no Arctic Monkeys (Thank Bach!) 🤡 But in all fairness people don't generally think of Classical works as "albums" (not that they'd get a ton of votes on this site anyway).

murmur wrote:

I decided to go ahead and search for each of RYM's top 10 classical albums and compare their rankings there (pretty horrendous) with the ones here. RYM on the left, BEA on the right.

Berlin Phil/Karajan - 9 Symphonies (Beethoven, 1963) #227, #11,118
Berlin Phil/Karajan - 9th Symphony (Beethoven, 1963) #305, #4,703
Artur Rubinstein - Nocturnes (Chopin, 1967) #354, #8,491
Wiener Phil/Kleiber - 5th Symphony (Beethoven, 1975) #450, #9,754
Glenn Gould - The Goldberg Variations (Bach, 1982) #464, #18,092
Glenn Gould - The Goldberg Variations (Bach, 1956) #515, #2,299*
John Williams - Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back (Williams, 1980) #542, #8,857
Berlin Phil/Karajan - 9th Symphony "Choral" (Beethoven, 1986) #544, #7,098
John Williams - Star Wars (Williams, 1977) #547, #4,674
London Sinfonietta/Zinman, Dawn Upshaw - Symphony No. 3 (Gorecki, 1992) #549, #4,123**

*this is the only instance of BEA being comparatively correct - Gould's 1956 Goldbergs are obviously the superior version and that recording is the best of this lot. i just wish it was ranked at least 2,000 places lower (higher? i'm saying towards #1)

**how is this the token modern piece??

Re: Gorecki's 3rd ... It's a very moving requiem, umm, I mean symphony. That's the best recording too, so good to see.

murmur wrote:

I'm pretty appalled that there's a consensus that TWO Star Wars film scores are better than the Mass in B minor, but I'm also a tin-eared moron, so hey.

Good to know that the Star Wars action figures were enough to make its sound track more relevant than the Mass in B Minor. Hadn't thought of that. Also, interesting to see it ranked so far above Dvorak's 9th Symphony which heavily influenced Williams' score.

murmur wrote:

Going through the overall chart, it's pretty mind-boggling that so many rockists prefer Kind of Blue by such a country mile to A Love Supreme and Black Saint and the Sinner Lady, both of which are much more engrossing (and better...) entry-level jazz releases.

Well, Kind of Blue is far superior to most of the "Rock" top 100 so I'll take it. But yes, Black Saint and A Love Supreme are supreme masterpieces of an order that very very few artists approach.

murmur wrote:

As a closing remark, I'd be down to trade shifts with AfterHours clicking through hundreds of pages to figure out what BEA's top ranked classical recording is. I got tired clicking through, which is why I opted for the RYM comparison, since you can collapse their charts by genre.

God no, please. I think I've looked at the Overall Chart a grand total of 3 times in the last 10 years, so in all honesty, I don't really care, even if I pretend like I do to make a point from time to time.

Re: ANy Albums ranked higher in other published lists

Tap — Sun, 9 Jul 2017 16:05:33 GMT

Author: Tap

Posted: 07/09/2017 20:05

There's no sense in consensus. One too many e's.

Re: ANy Albums ranked higher in other published lists

Anonymous — Sun, 9 Jul 2017 15:20:13 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 07/09/2017 19:20

AfterHours wrote:

Tons of acclaimed Jazz albums are very underrated on this site, which is too Rock-centric to get a more balanced list. The idea that Jazz, which features composers and musicians at the very least the equal of the most accomplished in Rock, has virtually no masterpieces in its history (if one goes by the BEA overall chart) aside from its token entry (such as Kind of Blue) and maybe one or two others, is logically a bit dubious. Though I also understand the chart is basically a popularity contest so from that perspective it is "logical".

At least jazz gets some token picks in the top hundred or so! Glenn Gould's Goldberg Variations (both versions), which I think constitute two of the most popular classical music recordings of all time, are way down in the thousands (the latter set is ranked in the low 18,000s!!!!). I mean, granted, Bach was no Arctic Monkeys, so I can only really see him being ranked in maybe the Top 500 if we're being generous. 😉

I decided to go ahead and search for each of RYM's top 10 classical albums and compare their rankings there (pretty horrendous) with the ones here. RYM on the left, BEA on the right.

Berlin Phil/Karajan - 9 Symphonies (Beethoven, 1963) #227, #11,118
Berlin Phil/Karajan - 9th Symphony (Beethoven, 1963) #305, #4,703
Artur Rubinstein - Nocturnes (Chopin, 1967) #354, #8,491
Wiener Phil/Kleiber - 5th Symphony (Beethoven, 1975) #450, #9,754
Glenn Gould - The Goldberg Variations (Bach, 1982) #464, #18,092
Glenn Gould - The Goldberg Variations (Bach, 1956) #515, #2,299*
John Williams - Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back (Williams, 1980) #542, #8,857
Berlin Phil/Karajan - 9th Symphony "Choral" (Beethoven, 1986) #544, #7,098
John Williams - Star Wars (Williams, 1977) #547, #4,674
London Sinfonietta/Zinman, Dawn Upshaw - Symphony No. 3 (Gorecki, 1992) #549, #4,123**

*this is the only instance of BEA being comparatively correct - Gould's 1956 Goldbergs are obviously the superior version and that recording is the best of this lot. i just wish it was ranked at least 2,000 places lower (higher? i'm saying towards #1)

**how is this the token modern piece??

I'm pretty appalled that there's a consensus that TWO Star Wars film scores are better than the Mass in B minor, but I'm also a tin-eared moron, so hey.

Going through the overall chart, it's pretty mind-boggling that so many rockists prefer Kind of Blue by such a country mile to A Love Supreme and Black Saint and the Sinner Lady, both of which are much more engrossing (and better...) entry-level jazz releases.

As a closing remark, I'd be down to trade shifts with AfterHours clicking through hundreds of pages to figure out what BEA's top ranked classical recording is. I got tired clicking through, which is why I opted for the RYM comparison, since you can collapse their charts by genre.

Re: ANy Albums ranked higher in other published lists

bobbyb5 — Sun, 9 Jul 2017 04:06:28 GMT

Author: bobbyb5

Posted: 07/09/2017 08:06

stangetzaway wrote:

bobbyb5 wrote:

How about this: Peter Wolf - Sleepless

ranked 432 on Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Albums
ranked 22,919 here

Rolling Stone had a thing for Peter Wolf which seemed to be peculiar to them. I remember "Lights Out" which is about 31,000 on BEA receiving a 4 1/2 star review which as few as 3 or 4 albums a year would get at that time. I don't recall him being championed elsewhere in the musical press though and he charted poorly to boot so not too much of a surprise the ex J Giels Band singer is a bit of an obscurity here.

Maybe he was friends with the editors or something. Lol.

Re: ANy Albums ranked higher in other published lists

stangetzaway — Sat, 8 Jul 2017 10:01:21 GMT

Author: stangetzaway

Posted: 07/08/2017 14:01

bobbyb5 wrote:

How about this: Peter Wolf - Sleepless

ranked 432 on Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Albums
ranked 22,919 here

Re: ANy Albums ranked higher in other published lists

bobbyb5 — Sat, 8 Jul 2017 09:31:56 GMT

Author: bobbyb5

Posted: 07/08/2017 13:31

How about this: Peter Wolf - Sleepless

ranked 432 on Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Albums
ranked 22,919 here

Re: ANy Albums ranked higher in other published lists

glynspsa — Sat, 8 Jul 2017 06:53:27 GMT

Author: glynspsa

Posted: 07/08/2017 10:53

Thanks, exactly the types of records i was thinking of.

Re: ANy Albums ranked higher in other published lists

bobbyb5 — Sat, 8 Jul 2017 06:47:46 GMT

Author: bobbyb5

Posted: 07/08/2017 10:47

Oh yeah, i forgot to tell u which list Arrested Development was #1 on.
It was the biggest and oldest and probably most famous published poll of all time. The Village Voice Annual Critics Poll. Or " Pazz & Jop Poll", as they call it. I go online and refer to it all the time. It goes way back to 1971. And i also love any books (and websites) that rank albums. And magazine polls and shit.

Re: ANy Albums ranked higher in other published lists

bobbyb5 — Sat, 8 Jul 2017 06:26:30 GMT

Author: bobbyb5

Posted: 07/08/2017 10:26

Hey, here's an album that's really taken a fall. In most published polls in 1992 this was the number one album. But here it's ranked 4,999.

Arrested Development. 3 Years, 5 Months, 2 Days In the Life of....

Re: ANy Albums ranked higher in other published lists

AfterHours — Sat, 8 Jul 2017 00:43:53 GMT

Author: AfterHours

Posted: 07/08/2017 04:43

Tons of acclaimed Jazz albums are very underrated on this site, which is too Rock-centric to get a more balanced list. The idea that Jazz, which features composers and musicians at the very least the equal of the most accomplished in Rock, has virtually no masterpieces in its history (if one goes by the BEA overall chart) aside from its token entry (such as Kind of Blue) and maybe one or two others, is logically a bit dubious. Though I also understand the chart is basically a popularity contest so from that perspective it is "logical".

Re: ANy Albums ranked higher in other published lists

bobbyb5 — Fri, 7 Jul 2017 12:41:11 GMT

Author: bobbyb5

Posted: 07/07/2017 16:41

Granted, it was in British publications that i saw this highly rated, but here it's ranked 19,239. But ive got it in my Top 100.

Maggie Bell. Queen of the Night

Re: ANy Albums ranked higher in other published lists

bobbyb5 — Fri, 7 Jul 2017 12:29:37 GMT

Author: bobbyb5

Posted: 07/07/2017 16:29

Im not sure just how low ranked u mean, but these are a few that i remember topping critic's polls at the time, but are barely mentioned here. These are the ones that make me do a face-palm whenever i see how low ranked they are here.

Roni Size & Reprazent. New Forms
Psychedelic Furs. Talk Talk Talk, and The Psychedelic Furs

Re: ANy Albums ranked higher in other published lists

Daydreamer — Fri, 7 Jul 2017 08:46:55 GMT

Author: Daydreamer

Posted: 07/07/2017 12:46

This is actually an interesting topic. However I can't think of any albums like that at the moment.

Re: ANy Albums ranked higher in other published lists

glynspsa — Thu, 6 Jul 2017 08:01:02 GMT

Author: glynspsa

Posted: 07/06/2017 12:01

looking for albums way off the list not something you feel is off 100-200 places. but like this that is in the thousands but you have seen in top 100 polls.

ANy Albums ranked higher in other published lists

glynspsa — Thu, 6 Jul 2017 07:59:23 GMT

Author: glynspsa

Posted: 07/06/2017 11:59

Any albums rated low on this site but you have seen much higher on some other lists in books or magazines. This one immediately comes to my mind:

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Dreamer by Bobby Bland

I am sure there are others but i can remember this being top 100 in more than one list published in the 1980's and here its like 10000 or something and #3 on Bobby's list.

please note list if you remember. i will try to find the lists i remember this being on.

look forward to some hopefully a few i am not familiar with.