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Re: Initial Impact of Expanded Charts

Anonymous — Thu, 4 Aug 2011 19:06:39 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 08/04/2011 23:06

8 days after the bigger charts. Albums which have moved up 100 or over on overall chart:

Adore - The Smashing Pumpkins - 156
Music For The Masses - Depeche Mode - 153
Script Of The Bridge - The Chameleons - 132
Heaven Up - Here Echo & The Bunnymen - 130
The Idiot - Iggy Pop - 129
Geogaddi - Boards Of Canada - 127
Destroyer - Kiss - 119
Antichrist Superstar - Marilyn Manson - 116
New York Dolls - New York Dolls - 116
Rid Of Me - P.J. Harvey - 114
Undertow - Tool - 104
Slowdive - 104
Black Celebration - Depeche Mode - 102

Re: Initial Impact of Expanded Charts

albummaster — Tue, 2 Aug 2011 11:39:18 GMT

Author: albummaster

Posted: 08/02/2011 15:39

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Robert Anton Wilson wrote:

There should at least be a mod button on your chart for those albums that don't come out as you wanted.

I like that idea a lot. �'�

EDIT: Now added edit icons within your chart on the My Chart page (and also a message if your chart contains unmoderated items). Let's see how this works...

Re: Initial Impact of Expanded Charts

Robert Anton Wilson — Tue, 2 Aug 2011 11:34:58 GMT

Author: Robert Anton Wilson

Posted: 08/02/2011 15:34

Jhereko wrote:

One possibility is that when it comes to adding the albums into your chart and the person has to click the "confirm here if the spelling is correct and you still want to add the artist/album" thing comes up, you could force people to go to the edit album page and enter details themselves if they really want to add that album/artist to the database (and considering the fact that they are doing the adding they should know well about what they're adding) or if you don't want to force people you could just have info come up for how to add the information after they've created their chart...

I concur. I know it wasn't clear to me I could mod the albums/band and only happened because I hit a link out of curiosity. But those albums I did not mod at the time I do not know how to go back to. I will eventually find it out but I expect most people will not bother looking it up. There should at least be a mod button on your chart for those albums that don't come out as you wanted.

Re: Initial Impact of Expanded Charts

Captain_Dude — Tue, 2 Aug 2011 10:58:07 GMT

Author: Captain_Dude

Posted: 08/02/2011 14:58

Xavygravy wrote:

Jhereko wrote:

I second this.

Definitely.Who knows the album any better than the person adding it as a favorite? I don't think that's asking too much at all.

Re: Initial Impact of Expanded Charts

Xavygravy — Tue, 2 Aug 2011 06:19:35 GMT

Author: Xavygravy

Posted: 08/02/2011 10:19

Jhereko wrote:

I second this.

Re: Initial Impact of Expanded Charts

Anonymous — Tue, 2 Aug 2011 06:13:26 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 08/02/2011 10:13

One possibility is that when it comes to adding the albums into your chart and the person has to click the "confirm here if the spelling is correct and you still want to add the artist/album" thing comes up, you could force people to go to the edit album page and enter details themselves if they really want to add that album/artist to the database (and considering the fact that they are doing the adding they should know well about what they're adding) or if you don't want to force people you could just have info come up for how to add the information after they've created their chart...

Re: Initial Impact of Expanded Charts

19loveless91 — Tue, 2 Aug 2011 05:23:35 GMT

Author: 19loveless91

Posted: 08/02/2011 09:23

Xavygravy wrote:

albummaster wrote:

I'm noticing, with these larger charts, that a lot more 'new' albums and artists are being added to the site, and people are not helping look after the new additions, and this is creating a lot more work behind the scenes.

I've already accumulated over 12,000 edits since the moderation system was launched just two months ago, and the next nearest is in the 800s (thanks to harkan), and then btener11 with 555 (thanks), and after that there is only one other person with over 100 edits (thanks RF).

The site will get into a mess very quickly if we don't keep on top of the new data. It might mean capping users from adding over x new albums into their charts, or only allowing users with x mod points to add new albums, or perhaps even having a tiered membership.

I'm still thinking what to do, and I'm sure a solution will be found, but in the first place, this was the original reason for delaying the launch of these larger charts.

I'm not exactly sure what I can do. If it was more clear I would help out.
e.g. where do all the new additions show up?

You can see recent additions @ "Home" => Newly added albums or Newly added bands. Then click any artist/album that is marked with a red "X" (ie has not been moderated yet) and then click the edit button ( ) by the album/artist's name..

Then you fill the missing spaces like tracklist or country of origin, ... And don't forget to "approve" the admission (it's the first thing on the list). If you're unsure of anything else, scroll over those little blue question marks, should help 😄

Re: Initial Impact of Expanded Charts

Xavygravy — Tue, 2 Aug 2011 05:09:57 GMT

Author: Xavygravy

Posted: 08/02/2011 09:09

albummaster wrote:

I'm not exactly sure what I can do. If it was more clear I would help out.
e.g. where do all the new additions show up?

Re: Initial Impact of Expanded Charts

19loveless91 — Tue, 2 Aug 2011 03:26:55 GMT

Author: 19loveless91

Posted: 08/02/2011 07:26

Well is there a way you could "encourage" people who add new albums to edit/moderate them?

I mean are people (especially new members) aware that they can do it, or do they think they just have to wait?

Re: Initial Impact of Expanded Charts

albummaster — Tue, 2 Aug 2011 02:15:59 GMT

Author: albummaster

Posted: 08/02/2011 06:15

I'm noticing, with these larger charts, that a lot more 'new' albums and artists are being added to the site, and people are not helping look after the new additions, and this is creating a lot more work behind the scenes.

I've already accumulated over 12,000 edits since the moderation system was launched just two months ago, and the next nearest is in the 800s (thanks to harkan), and then btener11 with 555 (thanks), and after that there is only one other person with over 100 edits (thanks RF).

The site will get into a mess very quickly if we don't keep on top of the new data. It might mean capping users from adding over x new albums into their charts, or only allowing users with x mod points to add new albums, or perhaps even having a tiered membership.

I'm still thinking what to do, and I'm sure a solution will be found, but in the first place, this was the original reason for delaying the launch of these larger charts.

Re: Initial Impact of Expanded Charts

bcaie16 — Tue, 2 Aug 2011 01:44:42 GMT

Author: bcaie16

Posted: 08/02/2011 05:44

Oh snap.

Re: Initial Impact of Expanded Charts

GARY — Tue, 2 Aug 2011 01:44:18 GMT

Author: GARY

Posted: 08/02/2011 05:44

kidamnesiac wrote:

how do i make my chart expand.

You add more albums to it.

Re: Initial Impact of Expanded Charts

kidamnesiac — Tue, 2 Aug 2011 00:15:56 GMT

Author: kidamnesiac

Posted: 08/02/2011 04:15

how do i make my chart expand.

Re: Initial Impact of Expanded Charts

alelsupreme — Mon, 1 Aug 2011 14:28:13 GMT

Author: alelsupreme

Posted: 08/01/2011 18:28

I noticed Automatic For The People - R.E.M moved to below What's going on - Marvin Gaye.

Re: Initial Impact of Expanded Charts

Jackwc — Mon, 1 Aug 2011 10:20:44 GMT

Author: Jackwc

Posted: 08/01/2011 14:20

Fuck yeah for Mellon Collie!

RE: Impact of larger Charts

btener11 — Sun, 31 Jul 2011 14:50:59 GMT

Author: btener11

Posted: 07/31/2011 18:50

That's really interesting actually. It makes sense that some albums would be impacted more greatly than others. The Top 40, as you said, move very little because those will be in lots of Top 50's, unaffected by the change. However, those fringe albums will move up or down with far greater variance. Albums that were not making Top 50 charts that now appear on Top 100's will obvious rise in the rankings, while albums what were ranked in or near the top 100 (and out of the top 50) overall (you mentioned Aenima--118 last I checked) -- well, those albums will drop in the rankings considerably if they fail to make many Top 100's, making the impact more noticeable.

Great point and I hope this becomes an interesting thread.

Re: Initial Impact of Expanded Charts

Juan Schwartz — Sun, 31 Jul 2011 11:56:56 GMT

Author: Juan Schwartz

Posted: 07/31/2011 15:56

hmmm.... i have 5 of the 11 albums you mentioned moving in my top 100, and none of the ones moving down. i guess that makes sense. is stuff like this really that unusual? i often see albums in the top 500 moving up or down 5 or so places every few weeks. i guess the let it be thing is a little odd, but other than that i don't see the new charts having that big an effect just yet. maybe i'm wrong. how do you tell how much an album changed in it's overall chart position?

Initial Impact of Expanded Charts

ShaneSpear — Sun, 31 Jul 2011 11:26:08 GMT

Author: ShaneSpear

Posted: 07/31/2011 15:26

Here's your major movers and shakers in the Top 100 since July 27th.

Moving Up
Smashing Pumpkins - Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness (#67 - #63) +4
Joy Division - Closer (#54 - #51) +3
White Stripes - Elephant (#59 - #56) +3
Black Sabbath - Paranoid (#96 - #93) +3

Moving Down
Radiohead - Amnesiac (#93 - #100) -7
Oasis - Definitely Maybe (#41 - #44) -3
Coldplay - A Rush of Blood to the Head (#50 - #53) -3
Rage Against the Machine - Rage Against the Machine (#66 - #69) -3
Interpol - Turn on the Bright Lights (#81 - #84) -3

The Top 40 is pretty much set in stone, with movement only up a spot or down a spot, and even then it was rare.

Outside of the Top 100, things are a bit more volatile. Even though it's only been four days, a number of albums (Rain Dogs, Parklife, Trout Mask Replica, Violator, White Light/White Heat, Loaded, and Horses) have gotten a healthy burst of +5 or more since Wednesday.

Those taking major hits include Aenima, Vampire Weekend's s/t, Bob Marley's Legend, Paul's Boutique, Up the Bracket, and Axis: Bold as Love. No album has been hit as hard as Let It Be however, which has dove -10 spots in the last half-week.