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Re: Who was the first New Wave band?

RoundTheBend — Thu, 21 Sep 2017 00:39:44 GMT

Author: RoundTheBend

Posted: 09/21/2017 04:39

bobbyb5 wrote:

sethmadsen wrote:

Hehe, glad we can agree and liked the content.

Also those were just quotes from the wiki. Don't want to claim I wrote them.

Yeah. I assumed they were quotes from a book or something I.knew they weren't your quotes. Ha ha

😁

Re: Who was the first New Wave band?

bobbyb5 — Wed, 20 Sep 2017 22:16:47 GMT

Author: bobbyb5

Posted: 09/21/2017 02:16

sethmadsen wrote:

Hehe, glad we can agree and liked the content.

Also those were just quotes from the wiki. Don't want to claim I wrote them.

Yeah. I assumed they were quotes from a book or something I.knew they weren't your quotes. Ha ha

Re: Who was the first New Wave band?

RoundTheBend — Wed, 20 Sep 2017 22:12:21 GMT

Author: RoundTheBend

Posted: 09/21/2017 02:12

Hehe, glad we can agree and liked the content.

Also those were just quotes from the wiki. Don't want to claim I wrote them.

Re: Who was the first New Wave band?

bobbyb5 — Wed, 20 Sep 2017 16:08:45 GMT

Author: bobbyb5

Posted: 09/20/2017 20:08

sethmadsen wrote:

Ding ding ding.

That's what this says:
New wave first emerged as a rock genre in the early 1970s, used by critics including Nick Kent and Dave Marsh to classify such New York-based groups as the Velvet Underground and New York Dolls.[32] It gained currency beginning in 1976 when it appeared in UK punk fanzines such as Sniffin' Glue and newsagent music weeklies such as Melody Maker and New Musical Express.[33] In November 1976 Caroline Coon used Malcolm McLaren's term "new wave" to designate music by bands not exactly punk, but related to the same musical scene.[34] The term was also used in that sense by music journalist Charles Shaar Murray in his comments about the Boomtown Rats.[35] For a period of time in 1976 and 1977, the terms new wave and punk were somewhat interchangeable.[22][36] By the end of 1977, "new wave" had replaced "punk" as the definition for new underground music in the UK.[33]

Also interesting:
In the United States, Sire Records chairman Seymour Stein, believing that the term "punk" would mean poor sales for Sire's acts who had frequently played the club CBGB, launched a "Don't Call It Punk" campaign designed to replace the term with "new wave".[38] As radio consultants in the United States had advised their clients that punk rock was a fad, they settled on the term "new wave". Like the filmmakers of the French new wave movement (after whom the genre was named), its new artists were anti-corporate and experimental (e.g. Ramones and Talking Heads). At first, most U.S. writers exclusively used the term "new wave" for British punk acts.[39] Starting in December 1976, The New York Rocker, which was suspicious of the term "punk", became the first American journal enthusiastically used the term starting with British acts, later appropriating it to acts associated with the CBGB scene.[33] Part of what attracted Stein and others to new wave was the music’s stripped back style and upbeat tempos, which they viewed as a much needed return to the energetic rush of rock and roll and 1960s rock that had dwindled in the 1970s with the ascendance of overblown progressive rock and stadium spectacles.[40]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_wave_music

I love those descriptions you gave. Stiff records is most interesting because from very early on it had the kind of artists that represented all of the tons of directions New Wave with later go in. There was some basic regular Punk like the Damned, the dance- y ska style of Madness, the weirdo pop rock of Lene Lovich, the new wavy style of Elvis Costello, the punky blues rock 60s style of dr. Feelgood. Even a little tiny bit of the electronic dance stuff by Yello and Lene Lovich that would become huge in the 80s. and the list just goes on and on. They had it all

Re: Who was the first New Wave band?

bobbyb5 — Wed, 20 Sep 2017 15:54:05 GMT

Author: bobbyb5

Posted: 09/20/2017 19:54

sethmadsen wrote:

I've always been confused by this genre and now I know why.

This was insightful.

Genre's for me are this double edged sword - on one hand you have the ambiguity to the point that it almost doesn't even make sense or really exist and on the other hand you have a mediocre way to categorize sounds. And then of course there's the asshat who claims to be a specialist on the genre, which is too ambiguous to begin with, yet they don't recognize that ambiguity and try and claim dogmatic truth.

Lol. That is the truest thing I've ever heard in my life. I couldn't have put it better myself. Thank you. Heh heh.

Re: Who was the first New Wave band?

bobbyb5 — Wed, 20 Sep 2017 15:39:26 GMT

Author: bobbyb5

Posted: 09/20/2017 19:39

TimeLion wrote:

Along with alternative rock and indie rock, one of those generic labels intended to denote rock music outside the mainstream, but which quickly came to represent the mainstream. These genres are perhaps more interesting for their social, rather than their musical, signification.

I agree. In fact, I didn't think alternative and grunge we're very outside of the mainstream in the first place. Pretty much sounded like every other kind of hard rock basically. I didn't hear anything new there.

Re: Who was the first New Wave band?

cestuneblague — Wed, 20 Sep 2017 15:39:09 GMT

Author: cestuneblague

Posted: 09/20/2017 19:39

Manfred Mann

Re: Who was the first New Wave band?

bobbyb5 — Wed, 20 Sep 2017 15:33:44 GMT

Author: bobbyb5

Posted: 09/20/2017 19:33

Wh3n1nR0me wrote:

New York Dolls I think is usually the answer.

I think I've heard New York Dolls called Proto-Punk before, but not New Wave. To me, I would just call them regular Rock because they sound more like Rolling Stones than anything else. But then again, what ISN'T described as proto-Punk nowadays? Just about EVERYTHING is. Heh heh.

Re: Who was the first New Wave band?

wooolf — Tue, 19 Sep 2017 12:20:37 GMT

Author: wooolf

Posted: 09/19/2017 16:20

https://www.discogs.com/Various-The-Best-Of-New-Wave-Club-Class-X/release/362454

This is an excellent new wave/post-punk compilation. Actually a 'Best of' of a series of new wave compilations (https://www.discogs.com/label/349213-New-Wave-Club-Class-X). This is how I got to know the term new wave initially.

(edit:note that it has Kraftwerk on it, which I would then nominate as first new wave band, way ahead of their time..)

Re: Who was the first New Wave band?

bobbyb5 — Tue, 19 Sep 2017 11:54:41 GMT

Author: bobbyb5

Posted: 09/19/2017 15:54

Liedzeit wrote:

I think it was Borges who said that every great artist creates his predecessors. Same, I think is true for genres. So once there was New Wave New York Dolls became the first New Wave artists. In a way...

First time I became aware of the term New Wave was in 1977 with this marvelous collection:

Geef Voor New Wave by Various Artists

To me New Wave meant a direct continuation from Punk with more sophisticated lyrics, tunes, instrumentation.
So on this one candidates were Eddie and the Hot Rods, Adverts and X-Ray Spex. Motörhead got on by mistake. Same for Sex Pistols or Jonathan Richman etc.

And I would consider: Stranglers. Very much punk style. But the organ was the first New Wave touch.

Agrew. And you know why Motorhead got on there? Because they made one single for Stiff records which was the label with early New Wave artists like Adverts Elvis Costello and all the rest. So maybe they just got lumped in automatically with new wave

Re: Who was the first New Wave band?

Liedzeit — Tue, 19 Sep 2017 11:47:34 GMT

Author: Liedzeit

Posted: 09/19/2017 15:47

I think it was Borges who said that every great artist creates his predecessors. Same, I think is true for genres. So once there was New Wave New York Dolls became the first New Wave artists. In a way... But not really. Same for VU, Stooges etc.

First time I became aware of the term New Wave was in 1977 with this marvelous collection:

Geef Voor New Wave by Various Artists

To me New Wave meant a direct continuation from Punk with more sophisticated lyrics, tunes, instrumentation.
So on this one candidates were Eddie and the Hot Rods, Adverts and X-Ray Spex. Motörhead got on by mistake. Same for Sex Pistols or Jonathan Richman etc.

And I would consider: Stranglers. Very much punk style. But the keyboards was the first New Wave touch.

Re: Who was the first New Wave band?

bobbyb5 — Tue, 19 Sep 2017 01:25:12 GMT

Author: bobbyb5

Posted: 09/19/2017 05:25

sethmadsen wrote:

bobbyb5 wrote:

sethmadsen wrote:

From this wiki it sounds like they had roots in the same place and some jackass decided he knew shit and said oh, that's not new wave, that's post-punk. Probably just to fool people into thinking he knew something.

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Before the early 1980s, many groups now categorized as "post-punk" were subsumed under the broad umbrella of "new wave", with the terms being deployed interchangeably. "Post-punk" became differentiated from "new wave" after their styles perceptibly narrowed.

Lmao. Youre right. People just like making up new genres in new names and renaming things. To me, Post Punk is when the earliest punk bands decided Punk was a dead end musically, and decided to use a disco beat in their music instead. ; this would include bands like Talking Heads in Public Image Limited.

I mean I get the need to do a new thing cause originally punk wouldn't have used synthesizers. Hell no. Post Punk was like hey, what if we took the attitude of punk, but branched out and made it a bit more artistic. Maybe less 4 dudes playing 3 chords and a bit more sophisticated. But no 2 minute guitar solos like Zeppelin. No classic rock sound.

New Wave was (if I can make up stuff too) like what alternative stood for - it's like this genre of other. It's not disco. It's not punk. It's this middle ground where pop and real art gets mixed.

That right there somehow is typically some of my favorite music. Music that has elements of pop, but still gives the finger to the man.

Whatevs.

Me too. I think good rock requires some of the old fashioned pop virtues. Namely a good Melody and some good f****** hooks. It makes all the difference in the world. And that's basically what I think is wrong with most modern music. Good, catchy hooks and melodies are not really a priority anymore. And as far as New Wave, there was the more commercial variety and the more underground variety. I happen to like both. I like Flock of Seagulls just as much as I like for instance Joy Division or Talking Heads. Heh heh.

Re: Who was the first New Wave band?

RoundTheBend — Tue, 19 Sep 2017 01:15:04 GMT

Author: RoundTheBend

Posted: 09/19/2017 05:15

bobbyb5 wrote:

sethmadsen wrote:

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Re: Who was the first New Wave band?

elo269megv — Tue, 19 Sep 2017 00:17:05 GMT

Author: elo269megv

Posted: 09/19/2017 04:17

I think the confusion stems from bands like The Cure and Talking Heads being considered both new wave and post-punk. So there's a line thats been blurred between the two "genres" which is what makes it hard to classify bands as such.

Re: Who was the first New Wave band?

bobbyb5 — Mon, 18 Sep 2017 23:42:23 GMT

Author: bobbyb5

Posted: 09/19/2017 03:42

sethmadsen wrote:

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Re: Who was the first New Wave band?

bobbyb5 — Mon, 18 Sep 2017 23:30:32 GMT

Author: bobbyb5

Posted: 09/19/2017 03:30

elo269megv wrote:

So then who would you say were the first post-punk bands?? #-o

Again, different people will probably give you different answers. One that I've heard mentioned as one of the first to be called that is Public Image Limited. I've also read shit that cited Talking Heads, Wire, Siouxsie and the Banshees. But who knows really.

Re: Who was the first New Wave band?

RoundTheBend — Mon, 18 Sep 2017 23:20:43 GMT

Author: RoundTheBend

Posted: 09/19/2017 03:20

elo269megv wrote:

So then who would you say were the first post-punk bands?? #-o

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Re: Who was the first New Wave band?

Repo — Mon, 18 Sep 2017 22:41:35 GMT

Author: Repo

Posted: 09/19/2017 02:41

elo269megv wrote:

So then who would you say were the first post-punk bands?? #-o

Pere Ubu, Wire, Magazine, PIL were a few of the first I think

I's check out Wire second album - Chairs Missing - as perhaps one of the most accessible intoduvction to the genre. I think PIL' s Metal Box is probablyy my favorite. Lots of great stuff though.

Re: Who was the first New Wave band?

glynspsa — Mon, 18 Sep 2017 16:15:24 GMT

Author: glynspsa

Posted: 09/18/2017 20:15

I always think of it as the modern lovers

Re: Who was the first New Wave band?

TimeLion — Mon, 18 Sep 2017 15:35:50 GMT

Author: TimeLion

Posted: 09/18/2017 19:35

Along with alternative rock and indie rock, one of those generic labels intended to denote rock music outside the mainstream, but which quickly came to represent the mainstream. These genres are perhaps more interesting for their social, rather than their musical, signification.