Best Ever Albums

Re: Greatest Films / Similar Albums

AfterHours — Sat, 10 Oct 2020 15:01:02 GMT

Author: AfterHours

Posted: 10/10/2020 19:01

Spyglass wrote:

The Seer and Requiem for a Dream.

Hmmm... Not sure but I will have to revisit The Seer... I'll put it on the 'other user's list' but may move it up (asking self: have I even heard the whole album? I forget... 🤔 )

Re: Greatest Films / Similar Albums

Spyglass — Sat, 10 Oct 2020 11:44:10 GMT

Author: Spyglass

Posted: 10/10/2020 15:44

The Seer and Requiem for a Dream.

Re: Greatest Films / Similar Albums

AfterHours — Sat, 10 Oct 2020 11:42:44 GMT

Author: AfterHours

Posted: 10/10/2020 15:42

salahshoori wrote:

How about 2001 and Tago Mago?

Personally I dont see how they relate especially in regards to the 2nd category (rhythm, structure, pacing, emotional or story arc) but I can add it to the user's selections. I can see a bit of correlation between their latter halves but overall 2001 is way slower, too "ambient". Tago Mago is much too congested, wild, volatile, frantic. I would say something like Kusturica's Underground or Gilliam's Brazil or 12 Monkeys, Lang's Metropolis, or even though a bit more contemplative, perhaps Fassbinder's World on a Wire (psychologically, emotionally seems like a similar wavelength; somewhat for arc also even if the pacing is only partially right).

2001 works quite well for Irrlicht especially if one were to just exchange the 1st and 3rd tracks for Irrlicht. If that were the case they would be among the closest selections. Im sure there are other good selections for 2001, perhaps better than Irrlicht, in ambient/electronic/new age type music and probably classical too (Holst's Planets, for instance, comes to mind as an idea though probably too consistently active and too many crescendos?).

Re: Greatest Films / Similar Albums

salahshoori — Sat, 10 Oct 2020 11:14:16 GMT

Author: salahshoori

Posted: 10/10/2020 15:14

How about 2001 and Tago Mago?

Re: Greatest Films / Similar Albums

AfterHours — Fri, 9 Oct 2020 19:38:53 GMT

Author: AfterHours

Posted: 10/09/2020 23:38

Spyglass wrote:

2001 is a good choice. I would have paired that with something like Structures from Silence.

Thats a good one! I will think with that next time I revisit Structures from Silence. In the meantime I will put it on the other users section and could very well add to the main list later if it scores 10/15 or better upon revisit.

Re: Greatest Films / Similar Albums

Spyglass — Thu, 8 Oct 2020 00:49:34 GMT

Author: Spyglass

Posted: 10/08/2020 04:49

AfterHours wrote:

Thanks - I paired 2001 and Irrlicht so far... Ill add your selection to the "other users" section below the main list.

2001 is a good choice. I would have paired that with something like Structures from Silence.

Re: Greatest Films / Similar Albums

AfterHours — Thu, 8 Oct 2020 00:45:09 GMT

Author: AfterHours

Posted: 10/08/2020 04:45

NewsFromHome wrote:

Dividesbyzero recommended me once to watch Dog Star Man with spirit they've gone spirit they've vanished and that was pretty peng.

Hmmmmm just might work 🤣

Im thinking Spirit Theyve Gone might correlate well with a Guy Maddin film...

Re: Greatest Films / Similar Albums

AfterHours — Thu, 8 Oct 2020 00:42:54 GMT

Author: AfterHours

Posted: 10/08/2020 04:42

Spyglass wrote:

I'd say Metropolis should pair with something more futuristic and apocalyptic like Irrlicht.

Thanks - I paired 2001 and Irrlicht so far... Ill add your selection to the "other users" section below the main list.

Re: Greatest Films / Similar Albums

AfterHours — Thu, 8 Oct 2020 00:40:59 GMT

Author: AfterHours

Posted: 10/08/2020 04:40

salahshoori wrote:

I can't say much as this idea is pretty complex and I just found out about this. The only thing that comes to mind is that "The Underground" and "Parable of Arable Land" might be the best introduction to this idea!

Yep - definitely some correlations between those 😄

Re: Greatest Films / Similar Albums

Anonymous — Wed, 7 Oct 2020 17:18:03 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 10/07/2020 21:18

Dividesbyzero recommended me once to watch Dog Star Man with spirit they've gone spirit they've vanished and that was pretty peng.

Re: Greatest Films / Similar Albums

Spyglass — Wed, 7 Oct 2020 16:40:56 GMT

Author: Spyglass

Posted: 10/07/2020 20:40

I'd say Metropolis should pair with something more futuristic and apocalyptic like Irrlicht.

Re: Greatest Films / Similar Albums

salahshoori — Wed, 7 Oct 2020 16:15:58 GMT

Author: salahshoori

Posted: 10/07/2020 20:15

I can't say much as this idea is pretty complex and I just found out about this. The only thing that comes to mind is that "The Underground" and "Parable of Arable Land" might be the best introduction to this idea!

Re: Greatest Films / Similar Albums

AfterHours — Wed, 29 May 2019 18:42:48 GMT

Author: AfterHours

Posted: 05/29/2019 22:42

raadfactoryxny wrote:

This post is actually pretty nice and helpful in terms of what mood I'm in. Let's say, if I'm listening to Blonde On Blonde, and I wanna watch something with the same conceptual, emotional or stylistic expression, then here's some examples. Oh... and some new movies to get into as well. Thanks AH!

Btw Psycho and Suicide are like a quintessential match-up.

Next up: If you haven't already, could it be possible at some point to do a Greatest Paintings - Corresponding Albums/Songs/Movies/etc.?

You're welcome!

Yep, Psycho and Suicide is a pretty close one! (Taxi Driver possibly closer)

The most similar of all are probably...

1. Stalker - Andrei Tarkovsky (1979)
Laughing Stock - Talk Talk (1991) / 5 + 5 + 5 = 15/15

2. Persona - Ingmar Bergman (1966)
Improvisie - Paul Bley (1971) / 4.5 + 5 + 5 = 14.5/15

3. Citizen Kane - Orson Welles (1941)
Symphony No. 15 in A Major - Dmitri Shostakovich (1971) / 4.5 + 5 + 5 = 14.5/15

4. The Sacrifice - Andrei Tarkovsky (1986)
Spirit of Eden - Talk Talk (1988) / 4.5 + 4.5 + 5 = 14/15

5. Blow Up - Michelangelo Antonioni (1966)
Roxy Music - Roxy Music (1972) / 4.5 + 4.5 + 5 = 14/15

6. Greed - Erich Von Stroheim (1924)
Beggar's Banquet - Rolling Stones (1968) / 4.5 + 5 + 4.5 = 14/15
Rain Dogs - Tom Waits (1985) / 4.5 + 4 + 5 = 13.5/15

7. The Deer Hunter - Michael Cimino (1978)
The River - Bruce Springsteen (1980) / 5 + 4.5 + 4 = 13.5/15

8. L'Age D'Or - Luis Bunuel (1930)
Doolittle - Pixies (1989) / 4.5 + 4 + 5 = 13.5/15

9. The Red Shoes - Michael Powell & Emeric Pressburger (1948)
Rumours - Fleetwood Mac / 4.5 + 4 + 5 = 13.5/15

10. Metropolis - Fritz Lang (1927) ["The Complete Metropolis", 147 minutes]
In the Aeroplane Over the Sea - Neutral Milk Hotel (1998) / 4 + 4.5 + 5 = 13.5/15

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Not sure about the Paintings/Corresponding list... I've considered adding some to this list but Im not sure if Paintings could hold its own list as few artists still do larger works (which are more comparable to "albums" or "films" especially when relating to #2 of the criteria). Most of my current 6.8+ painting selections are more comparable to Songs/Tracks/Movements so maybe that is a list idea. While the larger scale works (such as Michelangelo and Tubke) would be more comparable to Classical Symphonies or large Vocal/Choral/Opera works, but these are pretty much a lost Art now. Modern Art has its place but in some ways has suppressed any more 8.8+ level masterpieces (at least as far as I can tell) from happening in visual art.

Re: Greatest Films / Similar Albums

DommeDamian — Wed, 29 May 2019 10:42:51 GMT

Author: DommeDamian

Posted: 05/29/2019 14:42

This post is actually pretty nice and helpful in terms of what mood I'm in. Let's say, if I'm listening to Blonde On Blonde, and I wanna watch something with the same conceptual, emotional or stylistic expression, then here's some examples. Oh... and some new movies to get into as well. Thanks AH!

Btw Psycho and Suicide are like a quintessential match-up.

Next up: If you haven't already, could it be possible at some point to do a Greatest Paintings - Corresponding Albums/Songs/Movies/etc.?

Re: Greatest Films / Similar Albums

AfterHours — Sat, 2 Mar 2019 23:19:33 GMT

Author: AfterHours

Posted: 03/03/2019 04:19

raadfactoryxny wrote:

The Wall - Alan Parker (1982)
The Wall - Pink Floyd

😁 😁 😁 ](*,)

Yes of course! 😁 Now if only they were rated high enough 🤔 7.3 is the lowest a film can place to be included here, unless I expand this further which I might at a later time.

Re: Greatest Films / Similar Albums

DommeDamian — Sat, 2 Mar 2019 16:18:53 GMT

Author: DommeDamian

Posted: 03/02/2019 21:18

The Wall - Alan Parker (1982)
The Wall - Pink Floyd

😁 😁 😁 🧱

Re: Greatest Films / Similar Albums

AfterHours — Wed, 12 Sep 2018 12:46:38 GMT

Author: AfterHours

Posted: 09/12/2018 16:46

SquishypuffDave wrote:

I just used the criteria of the feelings in my heart. I doubt you're going to get any contributions following your equivalence ratings, since you've clearly got a system that's very personal to you and the way you process art.

That said, the constantly evolving rhythms in Music For 18 Musicians phasing in and out of time with each other mirror Kaufman's incessant revising of his screenplay, as well as The Orchid Thief's central themes of dissatisfaction and constant evolution. The structure of the movie is actually (with a helping of intentional irony) quite traditional, but using a traditionally structured album to represent it would be a disservice I feel.

The other two were primarily about the emotions they elicit, but the lyrical content also contributed, respectively:

Beck - Lost Cause

Your sorry eyes cut through the bone
They make it hard to leave you alone
Leave you here wearing your wounds
Waving your guns at somebody new

Baby you're lost
Baby you're lost
Baby you're a lost cause

There's too many people you used to know
They see you coming they see you go
They know your secrets and you know theirs
This town is crazy, nobody cares

Baby you're lost
Baby you're lost
Baby you're a lost cause

I'm tired of fighting
I'm tired of fighting
Fighting for a lost cause

There's a place where you are going
You ain't never been before
No one left to watch your back now
No one standing at your door
That's what you thought love was for

Baby you're lost
Baby you're lost
Baby you're a lost cause

I'm tired of fighting
I'm tired of fighting
Fighting for a lost cause

Björk - Hidden Place

(This song takes on a wonderfully strange dimension if you picture John Malkovich as both the recipient of the song as well as him actually being the "hidden place" in question.)

Through the warmest cord of care
Your love was sent to me
I'm not sure what to do with it
Or where to put it

I'm so close to tears
And so close to
Simply calling you up
I'm simply suggesting

We go to the hidden place
That we go to the hidden place
We go to the hidden place
We go to a hidden place

Now I have been slightly shy
And I can smell a pinch of hope
To almost have allowed
One's fingers to stroke
The fingers I was given
To touch with but careful, careful

There lies my passion, hidden
There lies my love
I'll hide it under a blanket
Lull it to sleep

I'll keep it in a hidden place
I'll keep it in a hidden place
Keep it in a hidden place
Keep it in a hidden place

He's the beautifulest
Fragilest still strong
Dark and divine
And the littleness of his movements

Hides himself
Invents a charm
That makes him invisible
Hides in the air

Can I hide there too
Hide in the air of him
Seek solace
Sanctuary

In the hidden place
In a hidden place
In a hidden place
We'll stay in a hidden place

Oh, in a hidden place
We'll live in a hidden place
We'll be in a hidden place
In a hidden place

Okay, that makes more sense now that I know youre not thinking with the posted criteria in a more detailed or thorough sense.
The entries that will make this list share a more consistent and thorough similarity "score" from start to finish...

In regards to contribution... Always preferred of course, but the selections are going to expand regardless. And it defeats the purpose and discipline of this list to make the requirements too loose so I'm not going to be doing that.

I have already run iterations of this list on past sites (going back years) and with friends/associates so lots of contribution has thus far occurred to help produce what is already here. For instance, Scaruffi recommended Sunrise as perhaps the closest parallel to Rock Bottom in content and structure ... and I believe I discussed Irrlicht / 2001 as my original query/discussion with him on the matter
.. a user named Parable made several previous contributions ... Facetious too ... a user named Elston ... Marquee ... seanseansean ...
joannajewsom, I think? (etc).

Naturally, one's degree of contribution (provided he/she is interested in the first place) most likely depends on the degree of familiarity one has, more than any other factor. I dont know how many users on this site are extensively familiar with a lot of the works listed, so my expectation of contribution was "to be determined". Many of the selections would make immediate sense to someone who is quite familiar with them (both film and album). Furthermore, one is much more likely to find corresponding albums amongst similarly rated films, than otherwise. The higher the rating the more likely similarities in characteristics will be evident.

That all said, even if one is not familiar with the selections, it can be used as a guide for just that purpose, which I highly recommend.

Re: Greatest Films / Similar Albums

SquishypuffDave — Wed, 12 Sep 2018 05:25:23 GMT

Author: SquishypuffDave

Posted: 09/12/2018 09:25

AfterHours wrote:

Re: Greatest Films / Similar Albums

AfterHours — Tue, 11 Sep 2018 18:08:37 GMT

Author: AfterHours

Posted: 09/11/2018 22:08

I revised the section above the list that describes its purpose and the "equivalence ratings". Should be clearer now. If any further explanation needed -- no worries -- just let me know.

Re: Greatest Films / Similar Albums

AfterHours — Tue, 11 Sep 2018 13:48:53 GMT

Author: AfterHours

Posted: 09/11/2018 17:48

SquishypuffDave wrote:

My Charlie Kaufman list:

Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind - Michel Gondry (2004)
Sea Change - Beck (2002)

Adaptation - Spike Jonze (2002)
Music For 18 Musicians - Steve Reich (1978)

Being John Malkovich - Spike Jonze (1999)
Vespertine - Bjork (2001)

Right on thank you, Ill add them to the Other Users section soon. I must admit that I cant really make heads or tails of these selections, as the correlations seem pretty vague to me (but maybe its just me?) Are you trying to align with the "equivalence ratings" closely (or at least "10/15") for these (see below) or are you going by another criteria?

(1) The first number is scored by how closely the album corresponds to the film in relation to EMOTIONAL/CONCEPTUAL CONTENT, with a 5 being as close as one can reasonably expect.

(2) The second number is scored by how closely the album corresponds to the film in relation to PACING, RHYTHM, MOMENTUM AND STRUCTURAL ARC, with a 5 being as close as one can reasonably expect.

(3) The third number is scored by how closely the album corresponds to the film in relation to OVERALL QUALITY/RATING, with a 5 being within 0.2 of the same rating (when comparing between my "Greatest Films" and "Greatest Albums" lists that feature more precise ratings). For every 0.3 in rating differential between the two, the score is dropped by 0.5 (from a possible 5 out of 5).

(as a note: its more "1" and "2" that I'm asking about. I dont expect other users to make much effort to align the selections with mine ratings-wise)