Best Ever Albums

Re: Criteria for Music Evaluation

Helios — Mon, 30 Apr 2018 13:15:31 GMT

Author: Helios

Posted: 04/30/2018 17:15

I use math to rate an album, an it's awesome 😁

Re: Criteria for Music Evaluation

AfterHours — Mon, 23 Apr 2018 15:43:39 GMT

Author: AfterHours

Posted: 04/23/2018 19:43

DelBocaVista wrote:

I removed the bit about top-down as that is no longer the case and my ratings will update accordingly, when I get around to it.
@Tap - I don't know if I'm locked out - haven't tried in a while.

Curious to see your revisions on both your list and this article (unless they're already there and I missed it?)

Re: Criteria for Music Evaluation

DelBocaVista — Sat, 21 Apr 2018 08:23:59 GMT

Author: DelBocaVista

Posted: 04/21/2018 12:23

I removed the bit about top-down as that is no longer the case and my ratings will update accordingly, when I get around to it.
@Tap - I don't know if I'm locked out - haven't tried in a while.

Re: Criteria for Music Evaluation

YoungPunk — Wed, 18 Apr 2018 18:30:01 GMT

Author: YoungPunk

Posted: 04/18/2018 22:30

AfterHours wrote:

Okay but this is demonstrably false, proven by the very fact that, like real-life moments and experiences, no two works are exactly the same -- ever. And there are obviously varying degrees of uniqueness/creativity, which is observable to one in proportion to their knowledge and experience with said art form(s). (Beethoven is a much more unique phenomenon in music history than Coldplay ... etc ... though one might not realize this without any further knowledge/experiences to compare to, such as if Coldplay and Beethoven were the first two music artists they discovered and hadnt moved further from that yet.)

I attribute the stark differences between different music to coincidence, there are limitless ways to make a melody for example, although yes your personality is definitely a part of it. The best composers exhibit a variety of moods and feelings however, not just their own. I can often tell what composer made a piece just by hearing it, but it has more to do with craftsmanship than expression.

Re: Criteria for Music Evaluation

YoungPunk — Wed, 18 Apr 2018 17:53:11 GMT

Author: YoungPunk

Posted: 04/18/2018 21:53

Like Mendelssohn's Italian Symphony, Schubert confused it with his Scottish symphony, how could you confuse Italy with Scotland! and a music expert no less!

Re: Criteria for Music Evaluation

RoundTheBend — Mon, 16 Apr 2018 21:28:45 GMT

Author: RoundTheBend

Posted: 04/17/2018 01:28

Romanelli wrote:

Jesus.

Vishnu.

Re: Criteria for Music Evaluation

AfterHours — Mon, 16 Apr 2018 18:36:12 GMT

Author: AfterHours

Posted: 04/16/2018 22:36

YoungPunk wrote:

it is incapable of expressing anything unique

Re: Criteria for Music Evaluation

YoungPunk — Mon, 16 Apr 2018 16:29:26 GMT

Author: YoungPunk

Posted: 04/16/2018 20:29

It's time to come out of the closet... Music is mostly a science of overlapping wave frequencies, it is incapable of expressing anything unique, and means different things to different ppl..

Re: Criteria for Music Evaluation

boyd94 — Mon, 16 Apr 2018 05:12:26 GMT

Author: boyd94

Posted: 04/16/2018 09:12

Romanelli wrote:

Jesus.

Do you like the album? Yes or no?

Said the moderator of an album ranking website.

Re: Criteria for Music Evaluation

Tap — Sat, 14 Apr 2018 18:30:46 GMT

Author: Tap

Posted: 04/14/2018 22:30

oh are you still point locked out from bigger chart making? I'd recommend going to https://www.besteveralbums.com/added_albums.php and using the google search link on the album pages to quickly gather up the info from discogs or whatever, you can wrack up the points real quick with some copy and pasting, it's worth it to get things expanded.

Re: Criteria for Music Evaluation

DelBocaVista — Sat, 14 Apr 2018 12:42:33 GMT

Author: DelBocaVista

Posted: 04/14/2018 16:42

FWIW, my list is not updated

Re: Criteria for Music Evaluation

AfterHours — Fri, 13 Apr 2018 23:36:36 GMT

Author: AfterHours

Posted: 04/14/2018 03:36

YoungPunk wrote:

Romanelli's lists have introduced me to more music...

I dig Romanelli and his chart as well, including his mini reviews of the albums. Just thought his comment seemed a little off putting. But Ive certainly had my own share of those -- no big deal. Life moves on. Bone swah.

Re: Criteria for Music Evaluation

YoungPunk — Fri, 13 Apr 2018 20:52:39 GMT

Author: YoungPunk

Posted: 04/14/2018 00:52

Romanelli's lists have introduced me to more music...

Re: Criteria for Music Evaluation

AfterHours — Fri, 13 Apr 2018 16:54:12 GMT

Author: AfterHours

Posted: 04/13/2018 20:54

Romanelli wrote:

Jesus.

Do you like the album? Yes or no?

C'mon man, is it really so hard to understand? It is a descriptive criteria for his evaluations, how he rates/ranks. It is insight into how he thinks about this and makes his determinations. Why would such a thing be resented or be annoying? Especially on a site where the very foundation of it is to rate and rank albums. Personally, I am much more interested in the views of someone that really tries at such a thing. Whether I agree with their ratings/rankings or not, I am much more likely to consider their views and perhaps reconsider or add to my own due to their insights. It is refreshing to see users explain the criteria behind their selections, ratings and rankings (again, regardless of their similarity to mine, Scaruffi's, or whoever)

Re: Criteria for Music Evaluation

Tap — Fri, 13 Apr 2018 03:12:22 GMT

Author: Tap

Posted: 04/13/2018 07:12

so there's been a few comments like that and I don't think things need to be so hostile, I mean I do have my disagreements with the approach and the sort of stuff that gets left out of view by it, but there's no harm in seeing the position get articulated, and I feel like this sort of reaction discourages that from happening.

because there could be an interesting conversation to be had on that last point, but there's gotta be some fairness to it. we're all on this site making lists and some of us going further with number scores as well, none of us are keeping it as simple as a binary like/dislike. there can be a lot of intuition and maybe even a little arbitrariness involved, but there is going to be more consideration of the value of one thing put up against all of the other things which will have more nuance than a thumbs up or thumbs down.

but if we focus on building up our system and articulate it with too much detail, can we become trapped by it, overemphasizing established knowledge and creating a definitive idea of what is new, divorcing it from the unknown, eventually resulting in a taste freeze so deep that it cannot be thawed by even the hottest new sounds? I think yes, but I think it's fair to disagree, and even if someone stayed disagreed with me I still think we could have an interesting conversation.

Re: Criteria for Music Evaluation

Romanelli — Thu, 12 Apr 2018 22:52:03 GMT

Author: Romanelli

Posted: 04/13/2018 02:52

Jesus.

Do you like the album? Yes or no?

Re: Criteria for Music Evaluation

YoungPunk — Thu, 12 Apr 2018 19:54:08 GMT

Author: YoungPunk

Posted: 04/12/2018 23:54

Kool Keith Sweat wrote:

Excellent, well thought out criteria, but how does it practically translate to parroting Scaruffi

Re: Criteria for Music Evaluation

DelBocaVista — Thu, 12 Apr 2018 15:19:43 GMT

Author: DelBocaVista

Posted: 04/12/2018 19:19

The factors that go into my ratings are just my perceptions of: how powerfully (1) and how creatively (2) does the album say what it has to say as well as how creative it is abstractly (3). I might find some albums to have personal significance to me for reasons other than these, enough for me to listen to or think about them often, seek memorabilia, etc. But I don't think those things fall under artistic merit, so they're not relevant here (I should have picked a more nuanced subject name for the post).

The Faust album covers some of the same themes as your Olivia example (and more) and does so through its actual musical aesthetics (not that Olivia doesn't, I haven't heard her) with every nuance.

Re: Criteria for Music Evaluation

Tap — Thu, 12 Apr 2018 14:50:47 GMT

Author: Tap

Posted: 04/12/2018 18:50

Quote:

significance (to oneself) of the concept being expressed

gotta say I really don't understand disregarding this. there's an Olivia Block album from 2016, Dissolution, and one of the things that has pushed it to be such a significant album to me is the way it's subject matter of broadcasted/playbacked voices can dissolve into a mass of ominous sounding material regardless of whether individual recordings are actually innocuous. I don't know if that would all matter to me if I wasn't alive today and trying to understand the world with the onslaught of information that is around today, but I love that it does. can't imagine taking that out of the equation. so I'd be curious why you consider doing so to be important.

also would be curious to hear how the faust album on your chart fits in here

Re: Criteria for Music Evaluation

DelBocaVista — Thu, 12 Apr 2018 11:28:49 GMT

Author: DelBocaVista

Posted: 04/12/2018 15:28

I don't think it's that much different from how any critic would do it, provided that s/he ignores:
- lyrics as poetry
- merit of the actual concept being expressed
- significance (to oneself) of the concept being expressed
- skill involved in composing/playing something objectively "sophisticated"
- skill involved in composing something pleasant catchy
- influence